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Post by bigfan on Jun 21, 2019 10:20:40 GMT -5
Forget Billy Herrion, Matt Mckillop would be a great hire, I'm sure he has learned a lot from his father. Davidson has had great success and is a school similar to HC.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 21, 2019 11:34:20 GMT -5
Not sure it's logical to conclude that because the father is good the son will be too.
Matt McKillop's exposure to coaching, beside his father, includes less than a year playing in Yugoslavia and a year ('07-'08) at Emory University coaching with Jason Zimmerman who played for Bob McKillop and was an assistant under McKillop for 7 years.
Now, Zimmerman has been quite successful at Emory, and Matt McKillop, might be a successful coach someday too, but a resume as homogeneous as his, without ever being a head coach at any level, raises a red flag for me that I would explore extensively and thoroughly in an interview.
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Post by ephoops on Jun 21, 2019 13:13:29 GMT -5
I'd like to see Mike Maker get another chance as a head coach. I think he'd be a great fit at HC.
Marist was a very tough place to recruit.
Given HC's strong academic reputation and Maker's ties to New England basketball, I think he would do an outstanding job at HC.
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Post by lou on Jun 21, 2019 13:22:37 GMT -5
I'd like to see Mike Maker get another chance as a head coach. I think he'd be a great fit at HC. Marist was a very tough place to recruit. Given HC's strong academic reputation and Maker's ties to New England basketball, I think he would do an outstanding job at HC. Wild guess here, but I'm thinking you never saw him coach [D1]. Sorry, he's not our guy.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 21, 2019 14:08:18 GMT -5
I'd like to see Mike Maker get another chance as a head coach. I think he'd be a great fit at HC. Marist was a very tough place to recruit. Given HC's strong academic reputation and Maker's ties to New England basketball, I think he would do an outstanding job at HC. I don't think Maker will be getting another D1 head job for a long time.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 21, 2019 14:23:48 GMT -5
Not sure it's logical to conclude that because the father is good the son will be too. Matt McKillop's exposure to coaching, beside his father, includes less than a year playing in Yugoslavia and a year ('07-'08) at Emory University coaching with Jason Zimmerman who played for Bob McKillop and was an assistant under McKillop for 7 years. Now, Zimmerman has been quite successful at Emory, and Matt McKillop, might be a successful coach someday too, but a resume as homogeneous as his, without ever being a head coach at any level, raises a red flag for me that I would explore extensively and thoroughly in an interview. The one thing that bothers me during coaches searches is when it is that that there needs to be a prerequisite requirement in order for XYZ person to be a good head coach. A good coach is a good coach is a good coach, and it really does not matter how one got to be a good coach. There is no correct path. Sean Kearney spent many years as an assistant at P5 schools -- awful head coach. Milan Brown spent a number of years as an assistant and then as a head coach -- awful head coach. Bill Carmody spent many years as a head coach at a strong mid-major and then P5 school -- awful head coach (at HC, at least). I think it's important to evaluate each man (or woman!) who will be interviewing / is interested in the job on a case by case basis. Let's not take the Dick Regan approach and only hire a coach who has head coaching experience.
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Post by Tom on Jun 21, 2019 14:48:54 GMT -5
A good coach is a good coach is a good coach, and it really does not matter how one got to be a good coach. Didn't we just see that Doggie Julian came to HC as an assistant football coach and they just kind of gave him the basketball team. The guy was a good coach no matter what the sport. That worked out OK
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Post by hchoops on Jun 21, 2019 15:12:06 GMT -5
Not according to Cooz in Purple Reign
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Post by bison137 on Jun 21, 2019 15:21:50 GMT -5
I'd like to see Mike Maker get another chance as a head coach. I think he'd be a great fit at HC. Marist was a very tough place to recruit. Given HC's strong academic reputation and Maker's ties to New England basketball, I think he would do an outstanding job at HC. There's no reason that Marist should be a tougher place to recruit than any other MAAC schools other than Siena and maybe Quinnipiac.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 21, 2019 15:23:52 GMT -5
Not sure it's logical to conclude that because the father is good the son will be too. Matt McKillop's exposure to coaching, beside his father, includes less than a year playing in Yugoslavia and a year ('07-'08) at Emory University coaching with Jason Zimmerman who played for Bob McKillop and was an assistant under McKillop for 7 years. Now, Zimmerman has been quite successful at Emory, and Matt McKillop, might be a successful coach someday too, but a resume as homogeneous as his, without ever being a head coach at any level, raises a red flag for me that I would explore extensively and thoroughly in an interview. The one thing that bothers me during coaches searches is when it is that that there needs to be a prerequisite requirement in order for XYZ person to be a good head coach. A good coach is a good coach is a good coach, and it really does not matter how one got to be a good coach. There is no correct path. Sean Kearney spent many years as an assistant at P5 schools -- awful head coach. Milan Brown spent a number of years as an assistant and then as a head coach -- awful head coach. Bill Carmody spent many years as a head coach at a strong mid-major and then P5 school -- awful head coach (at HC, at least). I think it's important to evaluate each man (or woman!) who will be interviewing / is interested in the job on a case by case basis. Let's not take the Dick Regan approach and only hire a coach who has head coaching experience. I don't disagree at all, but a couple of things to clarify/reiterate what I was saying ... 1. Not saying reject him, simply challenging bigfan's assertion that his dad being a good coach makes him a good coach. Some father son duos work (Dick & Tony Bennett). Some don't (Bobby & Pat Knight). 2. A limited variety of experience and exposure to coaching styles/philosophies means a candidate may have some blind spots (applicable in all hiring decisions, not just coaches). Doesn't mean he's a bad coach, doesn't mean do not interview him if you like other things about him (Matt McKillop certainly has a record of recruiting in high academic environment). Note the last part of my post ... just a potential weakness to explore in an interview 3. When variety of experience is limited to one or two head coaches, even being a high school head coach (i.e., the person making decisions not suggestions) for a year is helpful in understanding the candidate's ability to run a program. Again, it does not mean don't interview a guy who has never been a head coach, just thoroughly explore it if you bring them in.
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Post by bison137 on Jun 21, 2019 15:28:38 GMT -5
A good coach is a good coach is a good coach, and it really does not matter how one got to be a good coach. Didn't we just see that Doggie Julian came to HC as an assistant football coach and they just kind of gave him the basketball team. The guy was a good coach no matter what the sport. That worked out OK I don't know for sure, but I would be very surprised. At Muhlenberg, where he coached basketball for a decade just before taking the HC job, he was very successful - going 20-5 and 24-4 his last two seasons prior to moving to HC. In contrast, he had a losing record there as a football coach and went 5-15 his final two years. While he was at Bucknell btw, he was a three-sport star - but his best sport was football, where he gained All-American recognition.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 21, 2019 15:33:11 GMT -5
The toughest factor to determine, for many candidates, is one of the most important: recruiting ability. Charisma, persuasiveness, the ability to connect with others---not apparent from a resume.
Looking at our long list above, I'd have to guess the candidate who most wants the job would be our own R.J. Evans....
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Post by another65er on Jun 21, 2019 15:49:28 GMT -5
If you want a "haven't coached but loved them as players" exacta, add Keith Simmons to Torey Thomas. If they could recruit themselves, etc.
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Post by rf1 on Jun 21, 2019 16:04:52 GMT -5
I understand Rick Pitino is still available.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 21, 2019 16:14:02 GMT -5
Rick Pitino would have taken the Siena job, if offered it.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 21, 2019 16:31:09 GMT -5
Did I miss something did Pine play D-1 basketball, what was his basketball philosophy except to hire the first glitzy name that came his way. I'll assume that having played major college basketball Blossom has some thoughts on what he thinks it takes to run a successful program. Pine didn’t know if basketballs were blown up or stuffed. Blossom did play at Northeastern, but playing the sport in college doesn’t automatically mean he would know how to pick a coach, pick a coach who would work at HC, etc. I am cautiously optimistic that Blossom’s strong background and demeanor that appears to be exponentially more humble and aware than his predecessor will lead to a much more successful search than the last one. Not to say a search that resulted in picking between Craig Robinson & Bill Carmody (two guys who would both likely still be out of coaching if HC didn’t hire them) is all that high of a bar to set, but I’m excited about the potential state of this program for the first time in a while. After three nationwide searches and three losing tenures the bar is resting comfortably on the ground. I wonder if Ron Perry '54 needed a nationwide search before he hired George Blaney '62?
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Post by HC92 on Jun 21, 2019 16:53:07 GMT -5
The toughest factor to determine, for many candidates, is one of the most important: recruiting ability. Charisma, persuasiveness, the ability to connect with others---not apparent from a resume. Looking at our long list above, I'd have to guess the candidate who most wants the job would be our own R.J. Evans.... I love me some RJ but wouldn’t be at all excited about him being our head coach. If he had the same coaching resume and went to some other PL school, this place would go nuclear if we hired him
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 21, 2019 18:21:48 GMT -5
Looking at our long list above, I'd have to guess the candidate who most wants the job would be our own R.J. Evans.... How do you know he even wants it? Let alone wants it the most.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 21, 2019 18:30:41 GMT -5
Rick Pitino would have taken the Siena job, if offered it. I would have loved to see Fordham hire Pitino. Possibly the only conceivable golden parachute as far as the Rams ever being competitive in their league.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 21, 2019 19:10:51 GMT -5
Pine didn’t know if basketballs were blown up or stuffed. Blossom did play at Northeastern, but playing the sport in college doesn’t automatically mean he would know how to pick a coach, pick a coach who would work at HC, etc. I am cautiously optimistic that Blossom’s strong background and demeanor that appears to be exponentially more humble and aware than his predecessor will lead to a much more successful search than the last one. Not to say a search that resulted in picking between Craig Robinson & Bill Carmody (two guys who would both likely still be out of coaching if HC didn’t hire them) is all that high of a bar to set, but I’m excited about the potential state of this program for the first time in a while. After three nationwide searches and three losing tenures the bar is resting comfortably on the ground. I wonder if Ron Perry '54 needed a nationwide search before he hired George Blaney '62? Perry became AD and Blaney coach on the same day; same as Dougherty and Donohue "resigned" on the same day. Not sure who hired who and when. Perry did perhaps have something to do with Bill Raynor going to play for George at Dartmouth.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 21, 2019 20:04:35 GMT -5
Probably a combination of Fr. Brooks and EBW regarding the decision to hire Perry and Blaney.
Raynor went to Dartmouth because Perry did not want any of his players being coached by Donahue after how Jack mishandled the Texeira situation. Ironically Ron ended up at Dartmouth (Tuck school) for his MBA. If the situation regarding eligibility was then as it is today, Ron would have been able to play at Dartmouth.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 21, 2019 20:27:16 GMT -5
Looking at our long list above, I'd have to guess the candidate who most wants the job would be our own R.J. Evans.... How do you know he even wants it? Let alone wants it the most. Note the use of the word “guess”. I have no inside knowledge about RJ’s career aspirations, but i’d guess that he’d have a keen interest in the job
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Post by Tom on Jun 22, 2019 6:36:00 GMT -5
Didn't we just see that Doggie Julian came to HC as an assistant football coach and they just kind of gave him the basketball team. The guy was a good coach no matter what the sport. That worked out OK I don't know for sure, but I would be very surprised. At Muhlenberg, where he coached basketball for a decade just before taking the HC job, he was very successful - going 20-5 and 24-4 his last two seasons prior to moving to HC. In contrast, he had a losing record there as a football coach and went 5-15 his final two years. While he was at Bucknell btw, he was a three-sport star - but his best sport was football, where he gained All-American recognition. There was recently a movie made about HC hoops in the 40's and 50's. I believe it was mentioned int that. It's on DVR so I can confirm. Basketball wasn't much before that, so it wouldn't be a shocker if the basketball coach was an afterthought. On the other hand, we're hearing the recollections of 80 year old guys telling the story. Maybe some details aren't remembered perfectly - especially ones that didn't directly involve the players
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Post by hchoops on Jun 22, 2019 7:17:51 GMT -5
Tom, Which statements from the film are you alluding to ?
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 22, 2019 7:56:25 GMT -5
Haven't seen anything but some clips of Purple Reign so did not see this comment by Cousy. However, I do clearly recall that Cousy in an interview felt that college coaches do too much micromanaging the players during games. I believe his philosophy was game preparation and then let the players play the game once the opening tip off starts. Not sure if Doggie coached differently as I was a little too young to remember any of his games. I am sure hoops remembers though.
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