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Post by hchoops on Jan 18, 2020 18:04:08 GMT -5
Those excellent defenders gave no help on Lowder’s frequent penetrations I am not impressed by Turgeon’s defense sov beat me to it. while i am no big fan of turgeon as he runs an aau ball offense and his teams consistently underperform the talent he brings in as a genuinely great recruiter, his teams always play very good defense. and many believe this is the best defensive team he's had yet at maryland. I gues they have improved greatly since our game.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 18, 2020 18:08:07 GMT -5
Tim,
I hope you are correct in that, but I really no longer care about those who "move on" from HC (but apparently not from Crossports).
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Post by hc87 on Jan 18, 2020 18:13:04 GMT -5
I have to put this in there because one of our threads was quoting Al McGuire. George Raveling was up for the Washington State job in 1972. He was an East Coast guy and asked Al for his advice. Al said: "Pullman, Washington is where elephants go to die". Raveling did fairly well at WSU all things cosidered...couple of NCAAs, mostly winning teams. Nice guy, met him at HC hoop camp in the late 70s
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 18, 2020 18:34:59 GMT -5
Lowder played well offensively in one game (a 24 point loss) against one good team in his first game when they had no film on him, and therefore HCBN should bow down to him for he is the savior of the program.
Got it.
(I’ll stick with Pridgen who continues to battle on a nightly basis.)
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 18, 2020 18:37:10 GMT -5
Lowder only played well offensively in one game? What?
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Post by dadominate on Jan 18, 2020 19:11:31 GMT -5
Lowder played well offensively in one game (a 24 point loss) against one good team in his first game when they had no film on him, and therefore HCBN should bow down to him for he is the savior of the program. Got it. (I’ll stick with Pridgen who continues to battle on a nightly basis.) what are you talking about? lowder was leading the team and was tied for second in the patriot league in points per minute. he had some of the better assist numbers of any hc point guard over the last 20 years. you won't even give lowder credit for being a good OFFENSIVE player beyond one game? unreal. and who said anything about choosing lowder over pridgen? was there a choice for one of them to go and one to stay that none of us were aware of? who doesn't love pridgen on this board? a bizarrely out of touch opinion and straw man in in one post. nice work! we'll take our lumps and then move on with another pg soon, but it's getting increasingly hard to take your posts seriously when you won't give any credit when it's due.
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Post by cfrivals on Jan 18, 2020 19:19:15 GMT -5
Yea, lovin the CLS/AB PG combo. Makes you long for the days of Brian Lockhart and Damien Ezell
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Post by timholycross on Jan 18, 2020 20:29:58 GMT -5
I have to put this in there because one of our threads was quoting Al McGuire. George Raveling was up for the Washington State job in 1972. He was an East Coast guy and asked Al for his advice. Al said: "Pullman, Washington is where elephants go to die". Raveling did fairly well at WSU all things cosidered...couple of NCAAs, mostly winning teams. Nice guy, met him at HC hoop camp in the late 70s Had a standard joke. President of University (or AD): "Coach, why don't you recruit more white players"....George: "I just signed Rufus White and Malcolm White and...."
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Post by timholycross on Jan 18, 2020 20:33:58 GMT -5
The guy was a work in progress, demonstrating good and bad traits, let's leave it at that.
Once he's somewhere (of course, there will be a lot of comments about what that destination turns out to be), hopefully we won't be hounded by how well or badly he does...sound good to everyone? It'll sure be easier to do that if he goes to the Midwest or left of there.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 18, 2020 20:43:18 GMT -5
I’m been checking old threads to try to identify the posters who said “Lowder is clearly a first real All America point guard for four years” or “Cousy must now be regarded as second best among HC point guards” and “Lowder needs to run this team as a player coach”
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 18, 2020 21:48:39 GMT -5
Lowder played well offensively in one game (a 24 point loss) against one good team in his first game when they had no film on him, and therefore HCBN should bow down to him for he is the savior of the program. Got it. (I’ll stick with Pridgen who continues to battle on a nightly basis.) what are you talking about? lowder was leading the team and was tied for second in the patriot league in points per minute. he had some of the better assist numbers of any hc point guard over the last 20 years. you won't even give lowder credit for being a good OFFENSIVE player beyond one game? unreal. and who said anything about choosing lowder over pridgen? was there a choice for one of them to go and one to stay that none of us were aware of? who doesn't love pridgen on this board? a bizarrely out of touch opinion and straw man in in one post. nice work! we'll take our lumps and then move on with another pg soon, but it's getting increasingly hard to take your posts seriously when you won't give any credit when it's due. Sorry, give credit to who? The guy who left halfway though one season at HC because his coach seems to have cared about more than what he could do with the ball in his hands? I enjoyed watching Lowder play earlier this season, but when he couldn’t make it through six games without getting suspended, was apparently such a pain after being given another chance that a coach who is desperate to win and prove himself chose not to play him, and then left town before a full season, I can’t help but think we’re better off with someone else as the PG position to lead this program back from the ashes. Guys like Torey Thomas, Jave Meade, and Pat Doherty would not have followed the path laid out above.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 18, 2020 22:44:42 GMT -5
I’m been checking old threads to try to identify the posters who said “Lowder is clearly a first real All America point guard for four years” or “Cousy must now be regarded as second best among HC point guards” and “Lowder needs to run this team as a player coach” The recruiting build up of Lowder on the board was much longer than his actual tenure as a player.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 19, 2020 6:00:33 GMT -5
He still has plenty of time to prove the hype was valid; just won't be here.
So what point guards are out there? BBC, you always have all the answers, give us some names. Anyone can bash after the fact.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 19, 2020 6:38:38 GMT -5
I guess they have improved greatly since our game. Maryland didn't take us seriously, as is often the case in opening match-ups like this. A very good defensive team overall, but they have had lapses. Thirteen games in, Bryant gave them more trouble than we did.
During his DNP-CD sabbatical, Lowder took the disciplinary action to heart by re-tweeting his personal highlight reel from this game and pinning it to the top of his twitter page (he's since deleted it). In an interview at the end of his junior year, he said, “I think if I play the way I know I can I can rise up and grab some high-major offers,” and "Right now I’m looking for a school that I can go to and work and develop into an NBA prospect if that’s after 1 or 2 or 3 years it doesn’t matter to me.”
Then he hurt his hip at the beginning of his final AAU summer, and the only offer he got after that was from Ferris State, not Golden State. Having watched him in practice, vs. Assumption, and in several games over the course of the season, it's my observation that his defensive difficulties are partly (perhaps mainly) physical - he has chronic difficulty reacting laterally, both on-ball and off-ball. Re-injuring the hip this season obviously didn't improve that defect. I think it will continue to be a problem for him going forward
I think he ended up here because Carmody told him (as he had previously told Caleb Green) that he would have a lot of offensive freedom as a shoot-first PG in his system - and we might have been the only viable D1 option he had at that point. He wasn't a good fit with Nelson, it appears, but even under the best of circumstances, he wasn't going to be here long, as I suspect he viewed Holy Cross as a temporary stop on his way to bigger and better things. We'll see how that works out for him.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 19, 2020 7:12:01 GMT -5
WG, thanks for that link. I don’t recall reading this before.
Interesting:
““I would define my game as everything basketball is typically missing today. Defense (I think I’m a defender before anything, the offense only comes when you play defense), midrange, and unselfishness”
Boy,Drew, swing and a miss!
He believes he’s NBA material. Let’s see if he ultimately gets there but the road to the NBA through Holy Crosd was short. Perhaps the next Kevin Stacom?
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Post by trimster on Jan 19, 2020 9:23:18 GMT -5
what are you talking about? lowder was leading the team and was tied for second in the patriot league in points per minute. he had some of the better assist numbers of any hc point guard over the last 20 years. you won't even give lowder credit for being a good OFFENSIVE player beyond one game? unreal. and who said anything about choosing lowder over pridgen? was there a choice for one of them to go and one to stay that none of us were aware of? who doesn't love pridgen on this board? a bizarrely out of touch opinion and straw man in in one post. nice work! we'll take our lumps and then move on with another pg soon, but it's getting increasingly hard to take your posts seriously when you won't give any credit when it's due. Sorry, give credit to who? The guy who left halfway though one season at HC because his coach seems to have cared about more than what he could do with the ball in his hands? I enjoyed watching Lowder play earlier this season, but when he couldn’t make it through six games without getting suspended, was apparently such a pain after being given another chance that a coach who is desperate to win and prove himself chose not to play him, and then left town before a full season, I can’t help but think we’re better off with someone else as the PG position to lead this program back from the ashes. Guys like Torey Thomas, Jave Meade, and Pat Doherty would not have followed the path laid out above. I loved to watch Jave Meade play basketball. One of my favorite Crusaders of all time. We need to find another one like him. I remember a top notch guard at BC saying something along the lines of Jave Meade was the toughest defender I ever faced. Jave was quietly a tremendous force for HC hoops.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 19, 2020 9:26:53 GMT -5
That was Troy Bell...
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 19, 2020 9:36:18 GMT -5
Meade was terrific. NAD - who was the jerk from Lafayette who picked a fight with him?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 19, 2020 9:53:57 GMT -5
Brian Burke....
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 19, 2020 9:55:10 GMT -5
They also had the big clod (Jamie Hughes?) who got John Hurley in a headlock and was dragging him on the floor (I think a different game).
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 19, 2020 10:08:35 GMT -5
Amazing what memories you bring to the board. Thank you, Dave!
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Post by dadominate on Jan 19, 2020 11:13:10 GMT -5
always been a tough call in my mind for who was the better of the two great pgs over the last 20 years or so, jave or torey? both were tough defenders and excellent leaders. i would probably take jave on a team with lots of scoring options since he was such an incredible distributor and made so few mistakes. even though it took him a year or so to slow down enough to be under control, i would probably take torey on a team where the offensive options were more limited since he was such a great scorer and incredible at pushing the ball up the floor and creating opportunities.
on this team, i would probably take torey over jave. if we get a stacked roster again, probably jave. but man, would it be nice to have a point guard like either of them again soon. caleb was solid and lowder right out of the gate was the best scoring pg in recent hc history, but i am hopeful that we get someone that has that incredible on the court leadership that jave or torey had. that seems to be a trait nelson values more than anything, so i am hopeful he can sell the school/program and bring that back to hc.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 19, 2020 11:34:18 GMT -5
I'd love to know what Caleb's thoughts were when he heard the news. Too bad he didn't stick around. I think a team with him, the current guys and the incoming recruits would have a chance to be a much better team next year than they are now.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 19, 2020 11:39:35 GMT -5
Suspects he regrets his decision now. But maybe not as I am sure he doesn’t think even his contributions would create a double digit win season.
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Post by trimster on Jan 19, 2020 14:22:37 GMT -5
Suspects he regrets his decision now. But maybe not as I am sure he doesn’t think even his contributions would create a double digit win season. We have no idea what he is thinking or was thinking when he decided to transfer. What we know is he transferred from HC to FF.
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