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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 24, 2020 6:29:05 GMT -5
Good-bye and good luck.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 24, 2020 7:54:41 GMT -5
I am totally confused by all this, but probably best not to speculate on the open board.
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Post by sader81 on Jan 24, 2020 8:04:38 GMT -5
He’s a young guy, they make mistakes. I’d take him back, but not on his terms. If that doesn’t work, then good luck!
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 24, 2020 8:07:43 GMT -5
If he has learned from this episode, and is willing to put his new knowledge into practice, then well and good. He may be stronger for it. He does clearly have offensive talent and could be a valuable piece in the puzzle of how best to turn HC's ship around should he choose to contribute as a member of this team. Whatever the eventual outcome, I can honestly say I wish him well.
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Post by trimster on Jan 24, 2020 8:14:37 GMT -5
I am totally confused by all this, but probably best not to speculate on the open board. I could not agree more.
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Post by Tom on Jan 24, 2020 8:55:50 GMT -5
I thought scholarships were dependent on the player playing ? Did he leave the team ? Is he paying full costs ? Scholarship contracts are for a full year, I believe. bison137 covered that in another thread.
He's no longer listed on the roster. So yes, safe to say he's left the team.
I assume since he's not playing, he can still transfer somewhere this summer and be eligible in January '21?
Coach Nelson announced on the radio that he left the team. I would think that quitting would negate that full year contract.
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Post by Ray on Jan 24, 2020 10:38:17 GMT -5
Scholarship contracts are for a full year, I believe. bison137 covered that in another thread.
He's no longer listed on the roster. So yes, safe to say he's left the team.
I assume since he's not playing, he can still transfer somewhere this summer and be eligible in January '21?
Coach Nelson announced on the radio that he left the team. I would think that quitting would negate that full year contract. This is the NCAA. Logic doesn't apply.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 24, 2020 12:33:58 GMT -5
I thought scholarships were dependent on the player playing ? Did he leave the team ? Is he paying full costs ? Scholarship contracts are for a full year, I believe. bison137 covered that in another thread.
He's no longer listed on the roster. So yes, safe to say he's left the team.
I assume since he's not playing, he can still transfer somewhere this summer and be eligible in January '21?
I never said that scholarships are always for a full year, although they cannot be canceled for poor performance or roster management. But there are five actions that allow a scholarship to be canceled in the middle of the year. Two of them are when a player: (d) Voluntarily (on his or her own initiative) withdraws from a sport at any time for personal reasons; however, the recipient’s financial aid may not be awarded to another student-athlete in the academic term in which the aid is reduced or canceled; or (e) Provides written notification of transfer (see Bylaw 13.1.1.3) to the institution; however, the student athlete’s financial aid may not be reduced or canceled until the end of the regular academic term in which written notification of transfer is received. If a student-athlete provides written notification of transfer to the institution between regular academic terms (winter break, summer break) the institution may reduce or cancel the financial aid immediately
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Post by hchoops on Jan 24, 2020 12:51:57 GMT -5
Thanks d- this certainly seems true in this case e- we do not know if he has done this If HC is continuing his scholarship, as it seems it is, it is doing it out of either pure generosity or in the hope that he will return.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 24, 2020 13:41:55 GMT -5
Thanks d- this certainly seems true in this case e- we do not know if he has done this If HC is continuing his scholarship, as it seems it is, it is doing it out of either pure generosity or in the hope that he will return. e - I think we do know that he has done this, i.e."provided written notification of transfer to the institution". It was reported by several sources that he had entered the transfer portal. The first step in entering the transfer portal is to provide written notification to one's school. From the NCAA website: " Division I student-athletes who wish to transfer must inform their current school in writing. The school then has two business days to enter the student’s name into the transfer portal, which allows other schools to confirm that the student can be recruited."
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Post by hchoops on Jan 24, 2020 13:45:57 GMT -5
Thanks So this is further proof that HC is being very, very generous.
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Post by classof83 on Jan 24, 2020 13:54:19 GMT -5
Is it possible that HC told DL to put his name into the portal if he wishes, and if he doesn't get an offer he likes they may offer him a spot to return if they don't offer his scholarship to another player in the meantime (incoming Freshman perhaps)?
If HC continues to provide him a scholarship does he lose eligibility as well - even though he is technically not on the team?
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Post by bison137 on Jan 24, 2020 14:15:59 GMT -5
Is it possible that HC told DL to put his name into the portal if he wishes, and if he doesn't get an offer he likes they may offer him a spot to return if they don't offer his scholarship to another player in the meantime (incoming Freshman perhaps)? If HC continues to provide him a scholarship does he lose eligibility as well - even though he is technically not on the team? He already lost a year of eligibility by playing even one game. Anything more than that is irrelevant unless he had a season-ending injury.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 24, 2020 14:35:27 GMT -5
The only thing I'm pretty confidant about is that if he is indeed enrolled at HC for the second semester, it is not on his own dime.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 24, 2020 15:19:06 GMT -5
I was hoping all these basketball player controversies were in the rear view mirror after Carmody left. Seems like only at Holy Cross can we get a player "leave the team," "maybe transfer," "maybe not."
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 24, 2020 15:44:29 GMT -5
I was hoping all these basketball player controversies were in the rear view mirror after Carmody left. Seems like only at Holy Cross can we get a player "leave the team," "maybe transfer," "maybe not." This sort of thing is all over the college sports landscape...I was watching a game the other night (not sure which game) and one player had his name entered in the transfer portal and then had it removed...No need to get aggravated over the situation, just move on..Unfortunately, HC athletics does not take transfer too often, so they don't reap many benefits from all this movement..
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 24, 2020 16:02:47 GMT -5
I was hoping all these basketball player controversies were in the rear view mirror after Carmody left. Seems like only at Holy Cross can we get a player "leave the team," "maybe transfer," "maybe not." This sort of thing is all over the college sports landscape...I was watching a game the other night (not sure which game) and one player had his name entered in the transfer portal and then had it removed...No need to get aggravated over the situation, just move on..Unfortunately, HC athletics does not take transfer too often, so they don't reap many benefits from all this movement.. The shenanigans that happened in consecutive seasons which resulted in the loss of four players, three of which were scholarship players, doesn't happen everywhere.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 24, 2020 16:31:16 GMT -5
Certainly we aren't used to it at our "fine institution" (tip of the hat to 4acre).
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 24, 2020 17:04:09 GMT -5
My understanding is if Drew enrolls elsewhere in August then his one year one year sit out period starts then, and he would not play another game until November ‘21 that’s almost 2 years between games
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Post by bison137 on Jan 24, 2020 17:21:13 GMT -5
My understanding is if Drew enrolls elsewhere in August then his one year one year sit out period starts then, and he would not play another game until November ‘21 that’s almost 2 years between games That is true according to the rules. However I am sure he will apply for a waiver - and he may be granted one. At the very least I wouldn't be surprised if he only had to sit one semester. As soon as he transfers, he will no doubt mention having had to play for a coach who didn't recruit him and mention that he has already sat out one semester - even if not in residence at his new school. Fwiw, there have been hundreds of players who were granted waivers, including Colgate's Ivanauskas, who did not have to sit at all.
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Post by gerry on Feb 25, 2020 14:41:32 GMT -5
Jon Rothstein reporting that Lowder will be visiting Central Michigan next month FWIW
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 25, 2020 15:06:47 GMT -5
Lowder probably would be a good fit for Keno Davis' uptempo and defense-optional approach.
Keno hasn't been successful since that magical one year stint at Drake before he bolted for Providence.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 25, 2020 15:38:16 GMT -5
Are the "Chippewas" more offensive than the "Crusaders"? At least all of the Crusaders are long dead. Chippewas are vitally alive and present in modern day U.S. and Canada.
I'm happy for Drew if he will be closer to home at CMU. I was wondering if his good grades might help him transfer to a Northwestern or somewhere academically elite like that. If Grandy had the talent for Illinois, Drew should have the talent for a Northwestern. Maybe he is short for the Big Ten.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 25, 2020 16:22:56 GMT -5
Are the "Chippewas" more offensive than the "Crusaders"? At least all of the Crusaders are long dead. Chippewas are vitally alive and present in modern day U.S. and Canada. I'm happy for Drew if he will be closer to home at CMU. I was wondering if his good grades might help him transfer to a Northwestern or somewhere academically elite like that. If Grandy had the talent for Illinois, Drew should have the talent for a Northwestern. Maybe he is short for the Big Ten. We have no idea what Drew’s grades are or were last semester. He tweeted on Feb 5th that he had a 4.0 this semester. Long way to go between Feb 5th and final grades. Whether he has great grades or terrible grades, I’ll bet $1 he winds up in the MAC.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 25, 2020 18:41:59 GMT -5
He had the good sense to stay at HC for his full freshman year and the confidence to attend games and not cower in embarrassment somewhere away from the team. The kid is his own man.
The whole coaching transition and integration of Carmody's players and recruits into Nelson's team was not optimal. The fact that it coincided with an Interim AD and then a rookie AD who hired a rookie Head Coach were other factors that don't usually all occur at the same time.
All of this is water under the bridge if Nelson's recruits work out and the defections stop.
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