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Post by Xmassader on Feb 25, 2020 19:22:35 GMT -5
longsuffering CMU kept the nickname Chippewas with the blessing of the tribe (similar to Florida State and the Seminole tribe). On the other hand, CMU’s MAC rival, Eastern Michigan, changed its nickname from Hurons to Eagles as a result of the Huron tribe’s unwillingness to give a similar blessing. Never understood that reluctance since the logo was respectful, the name was geographically appropriate (part of the campus borders the Huron River), the name was unique among D-1 nicknames and the name was chosen to honor the Huron tribe and tradition rather than denigrate it.
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Post by rickii on Feb 25, 2020 19:39:38 GMT -5
He had the good sense to stay at HC for his full freshman year and the confidence to attend games and not cower in embarrassment somewhere away from the team. The kid is his own man. The whole coaching transition and integration of Carmody's players and recruits into Nelson's team was not optimal. The fact that it coincided with an Interim AD and then a rookie AD who hired a rookie Head Coach were other factors that don't usually all occur at the same time. All of this is water under the bridge if Nelson's recruits work out and the defections stop. Good observation long. Add in the transfer of 2 returning starters that he thought would be teammates and you got disarray.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 25, 2020 22:33:54 GMT -5
Are the "Chippewas" more offensive than the "Crusaders"? At least all of the Crusaders are long dead. Chippewas are vitally alive and present in modern day U.S. and Canada. I'm happy for Drew if he will be closer to home at CMU. I was wondering if his good grades might help him transfer to a Northwestern or somewhere academically elite like that. If Grandy had the talent for Illinois, Drew should have the talent for a Northwestern. Maybe he is short for the Big Ten. We have no idea what Drew’s grades are or were last semester. He tweeted on Feb 5th that he had a 4.0 this semester. Long way to go between Feb 5th and final grades. Don’t you think he meant that his 4.0 was for the first semester ?
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Post by HC92 on Feb 26, 2020 6:46:27 GMT -5
We have no idea what Drew’s grades are or were last semester. He tweeted on Feb 5th that he had a 4.0 this semester. Long way to go between Feb 5th and final grades. Don’t you think he meant that his 4.0 was for the first semester ? No.
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Post by Tom on Feb 26, 2020 9:19:46 GMT -5
longsuffering CMU kept the nickname Chippewas with the blessing of the tribe (similar to Florida State and the Seminole tribe). On the other hand, CMU’s MAC rival, Eastern Michigan, changed its nickname from Hurons to Eagles as a result of the Huron tribe’s unwillingness to give a similar blessing. Never understood that reluctance since the logo was respectful, the name was geographically appropriate (part of the campus borders the Huron River), the name was unique among D-1 nicknames and the name was chosen to honor the Huron tribe and tradition rather than denigrate it. I thought the NCAA was forcing teams that weren't P5 schools to abandon and nicknames etc associated with indigenous people. The Sioux nation gave North Dakota their blessing as well, but they had to change. I'm pretty sure that 99.9 percent of nicknames are meant as an honor and not to denigrate.
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Post by res on Feb 26, 2020 9:43:45 GMT -5
The NCAA never made a distinction between "P5" and others. It at first cited all institutions with various native american symbolism. It relented in those occasions when the institution could cite approval from a specific tribe. The problem for North Dakota are that there are multiple tribes that make up the Sioux nation. Several of these tribes gave their approval but at least one refused.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 26, 2020 9:44:16 GMT -5
longsuffering CMU kept the nickname Chippewas with the blessing of the tribe (similar to Florida State and the Seminole tribe). On the other hand, CMU’s MAC rival, Eastern Michigan, changed its nickname from Hurons to Eagles as a result of the Huron tribe’s unwillingness to give a similar blessing. Never understood that reluctance since the logo was respectful, the name was geographically appropriate (part of the campus borders the Huron River), the name was unique among D-1 nicknames and the name was chosen to honor the Huron tribe and tradition rather than denigrate it. I'm afraid that looking for facts and logic is completely misplaced in a PC-run-amuck culture of emotionalism and virtue-signaling.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 26, 2020 10:56:54 GMT -5
longsuffering CMU kept the nickname Chippewas with the blessing of the tribe (similar to Florida State and the Seminole tribe). On the other hand, CMU’s MAC rival, Eastern Michigan, changed its nickname from Hurons to Eagles as a result of the Huron tribe’s unwillingness to give a similar blessing. Never understood that reluctance since the logo was respectful, the name was geographically appropriate (part of the campus borders the Huron River), the name was unique among D-1 nicknames and the name was chosen to honor the Huron tribe and tradition rather than denigrate it. I'm afraid that looking for facts and logic is completely misplaced in a PC-run-amuck culture of emotionalism and virtue-signaling. Another factor is if 95% of a tribe or people who have some Native American heritage are either enthusiastic or generally unconcerned about a team name, but 5% are resentful because of incidents in their own or family members past where they felt disrespected or mistreated because of their identity/heritage and it angers them to some degree, does that trump the much larger number of non Native alumni who have fond memories of being a Chippewa or a Huron or a Dartmouth Indian or a UMass Redman?
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Post by alum on Feb 26, 2020 11:00:09 GMT -5
1. This is a thread about Drew Lowder, a second semester first year student at Holy Cross (notice I was careful to use "first year" as I am sure that it will set somebody off.) We have recently learned that he might attend the University of Central Michigan which utilizes a native American tribe's name for its athletic teams and which was allowed to continue to use that name because the Chippewa tribe did not object. 2. It was then pointed out that a different university was required to give up its native American mascot. 3. This necessitated a reference to "virtue signaling." 4. While I was able to surmise the meaning of virtue signaling from its context, I was not exactly sure what as to its exact definition. 5. I looked at Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling6. I learned from that Wikipedia article that "Virtue signaling rose in popularity as a pejorative term, denouncing empty acts of public commitment to unexceptional good causes. The term is characterized by the signaler's desire to show support for a cause without actually acting to support the cause in question. An important characteristic of virtue signaling is that there is little to no cost associated with the act; simple public vocalization in support of a cause has no cost to the signaler."7. It would seem to me that use of the term "virtue signaling" is inapplicable to the context of a successful, or for that matter, unsuccessful effort to change a college's mascot since those who took up the cause actually "acted." 8. I'll let someone else try to figure out whether simply accusing others of "virtue signaling" is actually an act of "virtue signaling" but that's not a problem because according to Geoffrey Miller, a self appointed authority on the topic, the innate act of virtue signalling is unavoidable. 9. The Wikipedia article also quotes one writer as saying that virtue signaling is an ad hominem. Use of ad hominems can get you in trouble with the Dean. I know because it happened to me. I don't know, wouldn't a more appropriate topic be whether or not DL would fit in at Central Michigan?
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Feb 26, 2020 11:08:29 GMT -5
First of all, I seriously doubt that 95% of people with Native American heritage would be either "enthusiastic or generally unconcerned" about the name "UMass Redman". Probably closer to the other way around. As for the other names, I would side with the tribe and not the alumni. Apparently some tribes do not mind colleges using their names while others do.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 26, 2020 11:13:59 GMT -5
I just can't believe this thread has gone off the rails. Thank God he's not transferring to the Big East . . .
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 26, 2020 12:50:31 GMT -5
First of all, I seriously doubt that 95% of people with Native American heritage would be either "enthusiastic or generally unconcerned" about the name "UMass Redman". Probably closer to the other way around. As for the other names, I would side with the tribe and not the alumni. Apparently some tribes do not mind colleges using their names while others do. I agree and that's what I was trying to say. I'm the poster who got us off the rails. I'll try to reign in my wandering mind.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 26, 2020 12:52:56 GMT -5
Back to DL. I think he will fit in at his next place. Experience is a great teacher. He already has backbone now he has experience and perspective.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 26, 2020 15:51:42 GMT -5
I just can't believe this thread has gone off the rails. Thank God he's not transferring to the Big East . . . ...or to Grafton or Dartmouth High Schools!
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Post by hcpride on Feb 26, 2020 16:07:48 GMT -5
9. The Wikipedia article also quotes one writer as saying that virtue signaling is an ad hominem. Use of ad hominems can get you in trouble with the Dean. I know because it happened to me. I don't know, wouldn't a more appropriate topic be whether or not DL would fit in at Central Michigan?Does this mean you are not going to engage in virtue signaling on this forum? I guess that is a good thing.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 8, 2020 20:28:05 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Apr 8, 2020 20:32:40 GMT -5
A big step up from the directional Michigan
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