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Post by hchoops on Jan 27, 2020 17:28:32 GMT -5
Thanks. Most players who get gassed after 10 minutes have not been conditioned properly. I have no doubt that Mike R. will be in game shape by November, as all our players, at least the ones who play big minutes, appear to be.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 27, 2020 17:37:46 GMT -5
"Gassed" may be a stronger word for it than I should have used. In the New Hampton game, during a stoppage in play mid-way through the first half, he was bent over with his hands on his knees, seemed tired. That said, I'm guessing he's getting 25-30 mpg right now.
He looks to have a strong work ethic - I have little doubt he will be a "maximum effort" player who will do whatever is needed to improve himself at the next level.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 27, 2020 18:57:42 GMT -5
These are young men at the peak of their physical powers surrounded by workout machines, physical drills, nutrition monitoring, etc. How do they get gassed after 30 minutes with a halftime break? Seriously. I could never understand it.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 27, 2020 20:35:25 GMT -5
These are young men at the peak of their physical powers surrounded by workout machines, physical drills, nutrition monitoring, etc. How do they get gassed after 30 minutes with a halftime break? Seriously. I could never understand it. That shirt, from the Frank Costanza Cruisewear Collection, takes ten years off you. The players could try the same thing.😋 I realize that the proposed re-set of the roster for next season doesn't have to be filed with the census bureau or anything, but Copeland's absence seems to be taken kind of casually. I have a sense that if a player has indecision about playing basketball for Holy Cross the coach may help them make their decision. It will be interesting to see if KC returns to the team and whether the coach wants a fifth year from any current players. A fifth year from either Copeland or Niego would be fine with me as would the return of Lowder. A bird in the hand can be worth two who look good in high school.
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Post by Ray on Jan 27, 2020 20:44:37 GMT -5
These are young men at the peak of their physical powers surrounded by workout machines, physical drills, nutrition monitoring, etc. How do they get gassed after 30 minutes with a halftime break? Seriously. I could never understand it. To be clear, we're talking about a high school kid in this case, who likely does not have said resources available.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 27, 2020 21:22:46 GMT -5
These are young men at the peak of their physical powers surrounded by workout machines, physical drills, nutrition monitoring, etc. How do they get gassed after 30 minutes with a halftime break? Seriously. I could never understand it. To be clear, we're talking about a high school kid in this case, who likely does not have said resources available. On a team that likely does not have the depth to produce competitive full-court practices against a starting lineup of D1 players.
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Post by Tom on Jan 27, 2020 21:26:13 GMT -5
These are young men at the peak of their physical powers surrounded by workout machines, physical drills, nutrition monitoring, etc. How do they get gassed after 30 minutes with a halftime break? Seriously. I could never understand it. That shirt, from the Frank Costanza Cruisewear Collection, takes ten years off you. The players could try the same thing.😋 I realize that the proposed re-set of the roster for next season doesn't have to be filed with the census bureau or anything, but Copeland's absence seems to be taken kind of casually. I have a sense that if a player has indecision about playing basketball for Holy Cross the coach may help them make their decision. It will be interesting to see if KC returns to the team and whether the coach wants a fifth year from any current players. A fifth year from either Copeland or Niego would be fine with me as would the return of Lowder. A bird in the hand can be worth two who look good in high school. I don't know if his absence is being taken casually or that the staff knows the nature of his personal issues and are respecting him enough to leave his personal life private. Personal reasons might be just that and not be an indication that there's indecision about the program.
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Post by possum on Jan 27, 2020 21:58:46 GMT -5
Copeland has been unreliable for the most part since he's been here. Assuming he returns to the team at some point I don't know why BN would even consider a redshirt on him. Niego on the other hand has been playing pretty well and is a usefull player, I'd think BN would be okay with a redshirt for him. It would also push one of the 4 scholarships that will be available next year into the following recruiting cycle.
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Post by Xmassader on Jan 27, 2020 22:28:29 GMT -5
KC has played in 50 of the 85 HC games (58.8%) since the start of his career. Would be great to see him resolve any personal and health issues and be consistently available for the 40+ games in the next year and a half.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 28, 2020 6:42:53 GMT -5
I am hoping the staff spends a lot of time working with MH. I think he has plenty of tools, and could really be a key guy off the bench if he develops.
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Post by possum on Jan 28, 2020 7:20:01 GMT -5
MH looked promising earlier in the year but right now he looks lost and is playing with no confidence. Too bad because there are minutes to be had for those who earn the coach's trust. I fear that with the incoming players he'll have a tough time carving out a role next year.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 28, 2020 8:10:58 GMT -5
possum, you may be correct in that observation. However, he does have physical talent and may simply not bloom until his junior year (similar in that regard to JF?). Should that happen, he will have a place on the court.
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Post by Ignutz on Jan 28, 2020 8:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by Ignutz on Jan 28, 2020 8:40:15 GMT -5
Someone needs to break out some old videos of Chris Potter on the press. Chris obviously didn’t give a rat’s behind about how goofy he looked with his arms all over the place in the face of the player trying to inbound the ball. I’ve seen plenty of players at all levels in that position over the years, but none as manic as Potter - and, not surprisingly, none as successful. I would love to see something where they published the reach of a person in addition to his/her height. My guess is Potter at 6-7 was in effect 2-3 inches taller. Re: Old Videos. Does someone have any video of him playing? The only old films I've seen of Holy Cross basketball prior to 1990 are the following: 1. Clips of the 1947 title game 2. The 1954 NIT 3. A Joe Mullaney TV tribute that showed a few shots of the NIT semifinal overtime loss 4. The BC/Holy Cross game in 1978-79 that was part of the 30-for-30 show about BC point shaving. Regarding videos: The good news is that once the team moved to the Hart Center, George Blaney had a television set in his office along with the latest and greatest cutting-edge video equipment - a VCR! With all of the home games and a number of road games broadcast on Channel 27, there were a lot of game tapes. The bad news is that this VCR was a Sony BetaMax. (Who remembers those?) While I would hope that those tapes are around someplace, they would obviously need to be transferred from BetaMax to DVD. Probably a relatively easy task, but without that, they'll likely just continue to collect dust wherever they are - maybe in that same warehouse where the Ark of the Covenant was stored after discovery by Indiana Jones.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 28, 2020 11:29:27 GMT -5
MH looked promising earlier in the year but right now he looks lost and is playing with no confidence. Too bad because there are minutes to be had for those who earn the coach's trust. I fear that with the incoming players he'll have a tough time carving out a role next year. The difference, at least statistically, between Marlon's early season games and his play of late is astounding. Through the Mercer game he was posting excellent offensive numbers:
168 minutes played 15-21 on twos = .714 12-25 on threes= .480 13-15 on free throws= .867 79 points= 18.8 points per 40 minutes 22 rebounds= 5.2/40 minutes 9 assists= 2.1/40 12 turnovers= 2.9/40 3 blocks 6 steals 22 personal fouls= 5.2/40 8 of 9 games with an "O-Rating" over 100
Since the Mercer game
249 minutes played 15-35 on twos= .429 1-23 on threes = .043 13-15 on Free throws no change there 46 points=7.4 points per 40 minutes 30 rebounds= 4.8/40 12 assists= 1.9/40 24 turnovers= 3.9/40 2 blocks 2 steals 30 personal fouls= 4.8/40 10 of 10 games with an O-Rating were below 100
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 28, 2020 12:15:49 GMT -5
Maybe someone tinkered too much too soon. Hope the coaches have a response to this in their toolkit. Am I wrong to look at the coaching staff as well as the player when this sudden change in play happens?
If this is a developmental year I wonder if the dramatic shifts in playing time is the best approach.
Why compound losing with players getting worse?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 28, 2020 12:45:45 GMT -5
Maybe someone tinkered too much too soon. Hope the coaches have a response to this in their toolkit. Am I wrong to look at the coaching staff as well as the player when this sudden change in play happens? If this is a developmental year I wonder if the dramatic shifts in playing time is the best approach.Why compound losing with players getting worse? After Mercer, Hargis' playing time went up over the next five games, from 20mpg to 27mpg - he responded by going 12-42 from the field, including 1-15 from deep. He was rewarded for the way he played in the first eight games and he didn't respond well. What was Nelson supposed to do?
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 28, 2020 13:48:28 GMT -5
You've got me there. Just have a bit of whiplash trying to follow the team. With people transferring, not transferring but moving from the team to the stands, and taking personal leave, it is a little unsettling.
However there are frequent examples of Freshman having up and down play and then settling into a good role as their career progresses.
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Post by sader81 on Jan 28, 2020 15:15:03 GMT -5
Maybe someone tinkered too much too soon. Hope the coaches have a response to this in their toolkit. Am I wrong to look at the coaching staff as well as the player when this sudden change in play happens? If this is a developmental year I wonder if the dramatic shifts in playing time is the best approach.Why compound losing with players getting worse? After Mercer, Hargis' playing time went up over the next five games, from 20mpg to 27mpg - he responded by going 12-42 from the field, including 1-15 from deep. He was rewarded for the way he played in the first eight games and he didn't respond well. What was Nelson supposed to do? Somebody missing? goholycross.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
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Post by sarasota on Jan 28, 2020 15:36:14 GMT -5
After Mercer, Hargis' playing time went up over the next five games, from 20mpg to 27mpg - he responded by going 12-42 from the field, including 1-15 from deep. He was rewarded for the way he played in the first eight games and he didn't respond well. What was Nelson supposed to do? Somebody missing? goholycross.com/sports/mens-basketball/rosterThat photo certainly needs updating. Is that too much to ask?
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Post by possum on Jan 28, 2020 15:43:03 GMT -5
Looks like Hargis no longer listed on roster.
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Post by hc6774 on Jan 28, 2020 15:46:44 GMT -5
After Mercer, Hargis' playing time went up over the next five games, from 20mpg to 27mpg - he responded by going 12-42 from the field, including 1-15 from deep. He was rewarded for the way he played in the first eight games and he didn't respond well. What was Nelson supposed to do? Somebody missing? goholycross.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster12 on the roster, 10 dressed
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 28, 2020 15:51:31 GMT -5
Looks like Hargis no longer listed on roster. Wow. That's really unfortunate, if true.
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Post by classof83 on Jan 28, 2020 16:16:01 GMT -5
If Hargis is no longer on the team then BN better go find some players on campus - I think HC has a club team.
A couple injuries and how do you conduct a practice?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 28, 2020 16:18:01 GMT -5
Can disagree about positions, I guess, but believe this is where we are at the moment. Didn't include walk-ons, and am presuming Sandy is one.
PG - Johnson, Reilly SG - Wade, Copeland*, Humphrey
SF - Pridgen, Butler, Martindale PF - Faw, Niego, Hargis**
C - Rabinovich, Verbeek
* Out indefinitely, for personal reasons. ** Leaving the program, per VC
2020 Open Offers?
SG Jalen "Bo" Montgomery (TN - Lausanne Collegiate School), 6-5. Offers from Howard, Campbell PF Tyson Brown (VA - Massanutten Military Academy), 6-8. Offers from Robert Morris, Fairfield, Towson
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