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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2020 15:52:23 GMT -5
Dare I say that Nelson’s career at HC hinges on next year’s freshmen? You can certainly say it, but I don't believe it would be correct.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 8, 2020 15:57:44 GMT -5
Another good effort just don't have the horses to get over the top. Verbeek and LeSann were very good off the bench today. Nice to see Hoops involved on the game thread can't remember the last time he offered his insights. Thanks props also to Austin, who although he had a poor offensive game, he could be the only player in the country who plays big minutes at the point on offense, and frequently covers the power forwards on defense. Today He was often matched up against 4s 3-5 inches taller and stronger, and did a respectable job.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 8, 2020 16:03:29 GMT -5
22 points from our bench has to be the most in quite some time The whole season ?
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Post by hcpride on Feb 8, 2020 16:03:48 GMT -5
Dare I say that Nelson’s career at HC hinges on next year’s freshmen? I'd say so - especially given the size of the crew. If most develop into above-average PL players we should be looking at over .500 a couple of years from now. Won't know that next year, of course. (And just because a frosh starts for HC next year doesn't mean the frosh is or will be an above-average PL player, just means the kid is good relative to the HC kids on the bench. We've certainly seen that truism play out.)
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Post by trimster on Feb 8, 2020 16:52:26 GMT -5
Dare I say that Nelson’s career at HC hinges on next year’s freshmen? You can certainly say it, but I don't believe it would be correct. I agree with rgs. The recruits over the two years, I would agree on, especially if a transfer or two with two or three years of eligibility become part of the mix. As of now, Coach Nelson has yet to Coach a player he recruited. Eighteen months from now, he could be looking at a roster with at least nine players and possibly 1-2 more if transfers come in, he has recruited. I would certainly wait until the ‘21-‘22 season until making any judgment at all on his ability to be the head coach of a basketball program.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 8, 2020 17:03:51 GMT -5
We do not get many transfers I do not see that changing with the current Admissions staff
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Post by efg72 on Feb 8, 2020 17:11:09 GMT -5
Just an opinion but
While we are bad, yet with all that has happened, we are getting better and this group is not that far away from being more competitive. One could argue if Lowder wasn’t hurt and then quit, for whatever reason, we MIGHT have 4-6 wins in the PL.
If Humphrey or Johnson can play the point, and Rabinovich plus another new arrival can contribute up front, we should have enough balance and depth to get close to 9-9 in a league where seniors matter. The OOC games will be important to let this new group learn how to win.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 8, 2020 17:16:52 GMT -5
Just an opinion but While we are bad, and with all that has happened, we are getting better and this group is not that far away from being more competitive. One could argue if Lowder wasn’t hurt and then quit, for whatever reason, we MIGHT have 4-6 wins in the PL. If Humphrey or Johnson can play the point, and Rabinovich plus another new arrival can contribute up front, we should have enough balance and depth to get close to 9-9 in a league where seniors matter. The OOC games will be important to let this new group learn how to win. I believe that Johnson was recruited primarily(exclusively) as a point and Humphrey as a two. Hopefully Bubba can back up RJ when he needs a break.
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Post by trimster on Feb 8, 2020 17:19:02 GMT -5
We do not get many transfers I do not see that changing with the current Admissions staff There was a time when some highly touted transfers came to HC withIn a couple of years. Godbolt, Runcie and Thurman. Can’t think of many since then. Sankes and Cavataio come to mind. Having said that, I would expect the staff to be looking for one this Spring. I doubt they want bring in 6 recruits in the fall and I also doubt they want to sit on an unused scholarship for a year.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 8, 2020 17:21:13 GMT -5
We do not get many transfers I do not see that changing with the current Admissions staff Is it more because of admissions or because recent staffs have not gone that route?
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Post by hchoops on Feb 8, 2020 17:27:35 GMT -5
We do not get many transfers I do not see that changing with the current Admissions staff Is it more because of admissions or because recent staffs have not gone that route? Probably both
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 8, 2020 17:32:41 GMT -5
We do not get many transfers I do not see that changing with the current Admissions staff Is it more because of admissions or because recent staffs have not gone that route? A third reason could be transfers have to fit two years of undergraduate academics into three years as an HC student. If the player takes a second major and receives three years of relevant education for both majors, it is still only one bachelor's degree.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 8, 2020 17:58:30 GMT -5
We do not get many transfers I do not see that changing with the current Admissions staff There was a time when some highly touted transfers came to HC withIn a couple of years. Godbolt, Runcie and Thurman. Can’t think of many since then. Sankes and Cavataio come to mind. Having said that, I would expect the staff to be looking for one this Spring. I doubt they want bring in 6 recruits in the fall and I also doubt they want to sit on an unused scholarship for a year. HC Hall of Famer, NBA 6th round draftee, and transfer Jim McCaffrey (84-86) saved our program for a couple of years. Agree that around that time we really needed (and got) some transfers.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 8, 2020 18:01:10 GMT -5
Joe Carballeira was a big part of the rebirth that occurred in the 1974-5 season. Came from Fordham.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 8, 2020 18:29:37 GMT -5
This year I started with low expectations, and went through disappointment, embarrassment (UMass-Boston game), anger (not at the players), frustration, and then finally to appreciation and even empathy. It has to be very hard on the players to lose this much. The effort is unwavering. The program should never have fallen to these depths but the players deserve tons of credit for continuing to play hard from wire to wire. They also look to me like they're being coached up. If Nelson can recruit I think the program will be back on track soon. IIRC Ralph Willard once said that the best part of coaching at HC is that you get to coach great kids. I suspect that's true this year.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2020 18:35:37 GMT -5
Well said, newfie. Also, next year HC will have a strong senior in AB - already a 1000 point scorer in purple. With a full year for the coaching staff to work with current players and the newcomers, I have confidence we will see a stronger squad come to play next season. There are players making contributions right now that some had written off a year two back (LeShan for one). The remainder of this season will be rough...but we will see this team fight all the way.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 8, 2020 18:42:50 GMT -5
It will be great if we can win 2 more games. It will be good/okay if we notch one more win. It will be sub-optimal if we lose the rest of our games. One man’s opinion
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Post by hchoops on Feb 8, 2020 18:47:06 GMT -5
It will be great if we can win 2 more games. It will be good/okay if we notch one more win. It will be sub-optimal if we lose the rest of our games. One man’s opinion That is reasonable, but to me the quality of our play is more significant for the remainder of this season. Next season wins will be expected.
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 8, 2020 19:34:15 GMT -5
This year I started with low expectations, and went through disappointment, embarrassment (UMass-Boston game), anger (not at the players), frustration, and then finally to appreciation and even empathy. It has to be very hard on the players to lose this much. The effort is unwavering. The program should never have fallen to these depths but the players deserve tons of credit for continuing to play hard from wire to wire. They also look to me like they're being coached up. If Nelson can recruit I think the program will be back on track soon. IIRC Ralph Willard once said that the best part of coaching at HC is that you get to coach great kids. I suspect that's true this year. Very well stated. I agree, and thank you for the post. The one thing that I would add is my respect and appreciation for the young guys who have respected, appreciated and honored the commitment that they’ve made to Holy Cross and to the team. It can’t be fun for anyone, but kudos to all for working hard and hanging tough. Better times are coming.
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Post by trimster on Feb 8, 2020 20:02:18 GMT -5
It will be great if we can win 2 more games. It will be good/okay if we notch one more win. It will be sub-optimal if we lose the rest of our games. One man’s opinion Does it really matter at this point.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 8, 2020 21:14:05 GMT -5
How good would Lesaan be at this point if Carmody had played him?
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Post by hc87 on Feb 9, 2020 0:37:36 GMT -5
It will be great if we can win 2 more games. It will be good/okay if we notch one more win. It will be sub-optimal if we lose the rest of our games. One man’s opinion Does it really matter at this point. Absolutely not......joke of a program at this point
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Post by cfrivals on Feb 9, 2020 5:29:17 GMT -5
Improving??? Are you kidding? Next loss is the most ever in the history of the program and on schedule to go 3-29!
That is like Moe Howard on the golf course “Look, I’m getting better the holes are getting smaller”
Expectations are at an all time low and so are followers of the program, Nelson has a momentous task ahead, wish him well!
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 9, 2020 7:40:51 GMT -5
Improving. Yes...to those who have been watching. This is still not a good team (clearly), but it is one where the players games are improving. That is because of their hard work and the efforts of Nelson and his staff. It is easy to look only at the final score while ignoring what has been going on in the game. Expectations are low for this year, but IMHO the players and team will continue to improve as new players are brought into his system. I may well be wrong, but so might those who seem to be sucking on lemons all day. We'll see down the road.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 9, 2020 7:54:12 GMT -5
I'm not sure how much we are improving this (3 W-22 L) year relative to our opposition (it is common for various players and various schemes and various other individual and collective factors to improve as a season progresses from beginning to end).
That being said, this is one of the worst (W-L) - perhaps the absolute worst - hoops seasons at HC in the last 75 years.
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