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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 10, 2020 15:51:23 GMT -5
As I recall RW had a player leave the team. The reason given was that he wanted to work on his grades so he could apply to law(?) school. The player was not a starter, but provided some depth. I can't remember the player's name, but when the team suffered some injuries RW asked the kid to come back on a temporary basis until some of the injured players could return. He probably needed him for practices more than anything else. Although the circumstances seem different, it has happened before where a player left the team after the start of the season and then came back. you're thinking about james stowers. while i don't know all of the details of the lowder situation, i do know the full story with what happened with stowers as he was a teammate. feinstein's book was mostly accurate in its description and stowers is now a practicing attorney. he was also not a good fit with rw, which isn't really mentioned in the book iirc. although he was nowhere near as talented as lowder and his departure did not create the chasm at a position and did not bury the 99-00 season, which showed promise of what was to come under rw despite all the injuries and short bench. in brief, despite leaving the team, rw asked stowers to come back in a short-handed game against uab, stowers agreed to do so, and he lit it up. he scored double digits in a surprising win against a conference usa team. i don't believe he played again. it was a pretty remarkable story. nelson rolled the dice benching lowder with no other point guard on the roster (it would take unusual humility for any person to be okay with that, especially a confident d1 player like lowder who had been playing well), and it basically cost us any chance of being a threat in the pl this year. my guess is that the ship has unfortunately sailed. i would agree that we are best served to move on and hope that rj johnson can be an immediate impact player next year. he seems to have that potential. I was at that game--played in Indianapolis as part of a tournament with Bobby Knight's IU as the host. I recall that Pat Whearty, after a promising freshman season the prior year, was projected as a top player for the season but got injured and played only a few games and red-shirted. I did not return for the championship game the next day when we were crushed by Indiana.
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Post by Tom on Feb 10, 2020 15:55:42 GMT -5
I think something had to be really wrong for a player to leave the team and stay in school. I don’t see Lowder coming back. Copeland, on the other hand, is a total mystery to me. Not only to stay in school, but as I understand it, get no eligibility back for this semester. And besides, it would seem - pay for the semester. If you were planning on transferring, why wouldn't you just play out the year and take the time to better gauge your options. I agree with your logic about playing out the year. I read somewhere on this board that scholarships are one year commitments from the school. Lowder and Hargis might not be paying to stay in school. For non athletes, the 2nd semester bill probably had to be paid before either left the team. Obviously Peter paying Paul, but I imagine athletics met the kids' financial obligations to the bursars office before anyone left the team
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Post by dadominate on Feb 10, 2020 15:59:59 GMT -5
you're thinking about james stowers. while i don't know all of the details of the lowder situation, i do know the full story with what happened with stowers as he was a teammate. feinstein's book was mostly accurate in its description and stowers is now a practicing attorney. he was also not a good fit with rw, which isn't really mentioned in the book iirc. although he was nowhere near as talented as lowder and his departure did not create the chasm at a position and did not bury the 99-00 season, which showed promise of what was to come under rw despite all the injuries and short bench. in brief, despite leaving the team, rw asked stowers to come back in a short-handed game against uab, stowers agreed to do so, and he lit it up. he scored double digits in a surprising win against a conference usa team. i don't believe he played again. it was a pretty remarkable story. nelson rolled the dice benching lowder with no other point guard on the roster (it would take unusual humility for any person to be okay with that, especially a confident d1 player like lowder who had been playing well), and it basically cost us any chance of being a threat in the pl this year. my guess is that the ship has unfortunately sailed. i would agree that we are best served to move on and hope that rj johnson can be an immediate impact player next year. he seems to have that potential. I was at that game--played in Indianapolis as part of a tournament with Bobby Knight's IU as the host. I recall that Pat Whearty, after a promising freshman season the prior year, was projected as a top player for the season but got injured and played only a few games and red-shirted. I did not return for the championship game the next day when we were crushed by Indiana. believe big pat had a latent staph infection he acquired when working manual labor in a quarry of some sort over the summer that became increasingly problematic to the point he couldn't play anymore. sounds like an urban legend, but that heavy labor experience (alongside piles of kimball chicken breasts and whole milk) were part of the recipe phantasmagoria of a physical transformation he experienced at hc!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 10, 2020 16:09:36 GMT -5
Yes, I remember thinking Pat was pretty skinny then by his senior year he was a monster
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Post by Tom on Feb 10, 2020 16:09:48 GMT -5
believe big pat had a latent staph infection he acquired when working manual labor in a quarry of some sort over the summer that became increasingly problematic to the point he couldn't play anymore. sounds like an urban legend, but that heavy labor experience (alongside piles of kimball chicken breasts and whole milk) were part of the recipe phantasmagoria of a physical transformation he experienced at hc! Good memory. He and Fred Flintstone are the only two people I can think of who worked in a quarry. Just the opposite of this year, Pat's last two years he was basically always stronger than the guy he was going up against and could use that to his advantage
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 10, 2020 16:13:18 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Feb 10, 2020 16:13:33 GMT -5
nelson rolled the dice benching lowder with no other point guard on the roster (it would take unusual humility for any person to be okay with that, especially a confident d1 player like lowder who had been playing well), and it basically cost us any chance of being a threat in the pl this year. my guess is that the ship has unfortunately sailed. i would agree that we are best served to move on and hope that rj johnson can be an immediate impact player next year. he seems to have that potential. You're kind of implying that the benching was the cause for entering the portal. Is that fact or speculation? I hadn't heard any definitive word about why he or Hargis chose to leave
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 10, 2020 16:16:13 GMT -5
you're thinking about james stowers. while i don't know all of the details of the lowder situation, i do know the full story with what happened with stowers as he was a teammate. feinstein's book was mostly accurate in its description and stowers is now a practicing attorney. he was also not a good fit with rw, which isn't really mentioned in the book iirc. although he was nowhere near as talented as lowder and his departure did not create the chasm at a position and did not bury the 99-00 season, which showed promise of what was to come under rw despite all the injuries and short bench. in brief, despite leaving the team, rw asked stowers to come back in a short-handed game against uab, stowers agreed to do so, and he lit it up. he scored double digits in a surprising win against a conference usa team. i don't believe he played again. it was a pretty remarkable story. nelson rolled the dice benching lowder with no other point guard on the roster (it would take unusual humility for any person to be okay with that, especially a confident d1 player like lowder who had been playing well), and it basically cost us any chance of being a threat in the pl this year. my guess is that the ship has unfortunately sailed. i would agree that we are best served to move on and hope that rj johnson can be an immediate impact player next year. he seems to have that potential. I was at that game--played in Indianapolis as part of a tournament with Bobby Knight's IU as the host. I recall that Pat Whearty, after a promising freshman season the prior year, was projected as a top player for the season but got injured and played only a few games and red-shirted. I did not return for the championship game the next day when we were crushed by Indiana. Always gets my vote for best win if the RW era. At that time he had a roster similar to today's in terms of depth.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 10, 2020 16:18:27 GMT -5
the print is both too small for some eyes and won't copy
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 10, 2020 16:19:11 GMT -5
Click on the images, hoops. It will enlarge.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 10, 2020 16:19:59 GMT -5
This cult-like infatuation with Lowder that a couple posters continue to have is a little over the top. It's like the geeky high school kid with a crush on the Homecoming Queen - she lets him take her for a couple foodie calls, then dumps him, and he spends the rest of his days trying to figure out how to get her back, if only for one dance at the prom. Sheesh. Easy there WG! Hits a little close to home.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 10, 2020 16:55:00 GMT -5
This cult-like infatuation with Lowder that a couple posters continue to have is a little over the top. It's like the geeky high school kid with a crush on the Homecoming Queen - she lets him take her for a couple foodie calls, then dumps him, and he spends the rest of his days trying to figure out how to get her back, if only for one dance at the prom. Sheesh. Don't care about Ws and Ls the rest of this year, and we've got a promising new PG on the way for next. Time to look forward. I suppose that places me in the cult, but it's not any particular player I am commenting on - it's a "My way or the highway" approach that is possibly happening. I say possibly because it's not possible to know for sure, but I am an advocate of putting the team back together again for the tournament and for the coach and administrators to put some effort into trying to do that.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 10, 2020 17:12:58 GMT -5
Stowers is listed as having played 9 games. Unless he quit after the season started, he played a few more games.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 10, 2020 17:51:16 GMT -5
believe big pat had a latent staph infection he acquired when working manual labor in a quarry of some sort over the summer that became increasingly problematic to the point he couldn't play anymore. sounds like an urban legend, but that heavy labor experience (alongside piles of kimball chicken breasts and whole milk) were part of the recipe phantasmagoria of a physical transformation he experienced at hc! Good memory. He and Fred Flintstone are the only two people I can think of who worked in a quarry. Just the opposite of this year, Pat's last two years he was basically always stronger than the guy he was going up against and could use that to his advantage The first time I saw Pat was at the Empire State Games held at Stony Brook U after his junior season in HS.. He was pretty skilled, but rail thin. the transformation of his body was amazing
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