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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 24, 2020 13:27:44 GMT -5
I think the second team in practice must include some combination of RJ/Kennedy/Ferry/Ginsberg, since Linc is still in a boot (he must have really done a job on that foot/ankle).
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Post by dadominate on Feb 24, 2020 14:19:16 GMT -5
Sorry, but not buying that bringing in some better talent (by the way, we have no idea whether the incoming class is going to be good or not...I will take a wait and see approach) is going to magically fix some glaring problems with the defense. More often than not, it's a clear path to the basket for the opposition. Holding the opposition to less than a 50% EFG% would be nice...even approaching 50% would be good. That's something we haven't done since Milan Brown. At 56.2% this season, that's six from the bottom. I'm not so sure subtracting a couple guys and adding others is going to change Nelson's ability to coach a defense. So you think our problems are based on Nelson's scheme? Any further details on that or just that it's been easy for opponents to score? Our second team at practice is Riley-Yeutter-LeSaan-Sandy-Verbeek. If my math is correct, those five guys have combined for one good college game (LeSaan at Army, whenever that was). I'm curious as to how you think Nelson should be able to teach the starters (who were not recruited to defend) a completely new defense when there is currently no opportunity to simulate a D1 offense for them to guard in practice. On top of that four starters are averaging 34+ minutes in games, so there is not really much opportunity for live, full speed practice. sov has never had your hero or villain mentality, and his posts have been pretty consistent with the view (that i share) that the epic struggles on defense are a combination of both considerable roster limitations (which are most definitely there) AND nelson's either inexperience or inability (let's hope it's the former) in defensive schemes and roster management. a strong defensive coach, no matter how bad the roster, would not have his team in the bottom 5 in the entire country. bottom 100 with this roster? sure. bottom 50? maybe. but not bottom 5. that's terrible no matter how you slice it. although in nelson's defense (schematically at least, as he contributed to the issue) and a note of optimism going forward, as has been noted by many, not having a point guard throws everything off defensively and is incredibly tough on the program at every level. that glaring hole in the program the size of the grand canyon right now will be eliminated from day 1 next year when we have a point guard again in rj. and it looks like we have a very capable point guard in rj. i do hope that nelson learned that benching your only point guard and making public media statements about it (completely uncalled for and a total rookie move... this is the patriot league for crying out loud) when you have no backup point guard can have drastic consequences. nelson is learning, just as our young players, and i have cut him slack for that (and all the other roster defections) but there is no more slack for him - zero - when it comes to any more players leaving the program. while i have seen little adjustment or defensive improvement, the optimist in me is hopeful that not having a point guard is the primary reason that our defense has regressed as the season has gone on.
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Post by Tom on Feb 24, 2020 14:20:03 GMT -5
Our second team at practice is Riley-Yeutter-LeSaan-Sandy-Verbeek. If my math is correct, those five guys have combined for one good college game (LeSaan at Army, whenever that was). Not to nitpick too much, but Yeutter is in a boot and has been for a while. LeSann is a starter now that Butler is out. Hart is 4th man The 5th member of the scout team is the tall kid who is the team manager. Your point is fair and taken. Although there have been wild ups and downs, LeSann has had some good games this year as had Verbeek. Too long ago to comment on Reilly. I'm not saying star of the game quality, but good enough I was pleased with an individual performance
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Post by dadominate on Feb 24, 2020 14:28:09 GMT -5
It has been posted here that Devin Brown was kind of a jerk when he got here but that the upperclassmen "straightened him out" I didn't really meet him until junior year back when the basketball society was supposed to be mentoring with job search stuff. Devin Brown the junior was an incredibly polite young gentleman with no hints of the issues hinted at on this board. I agree with efg's point. tom, it's interesting that you bring up devin brown. devin was described, according to a friend on the coaching staff at calvert hall (devin's first high school in baltimore), as an "asshole". being taken aback by the description since he seemed articulate and had some pretty decent accolades, he said that devin thought he was better than he was and completely tuned out feedback from coaches. this included tuning out coach mark amatucci, who had coached at the d-1 college level, coached numerous nba players, and coached a mythical national championship team at calvert hall in 1983. brown not surprisingly had transferitis and ended up at another high school in baltimore (city college, where he teamed up with will barton currently of the denver nuggets) and then prep school prior to hc. i think the way rw - and the upperclassmen - handled devin behind closed doors is the way i hope bn learns to handle players that are perhaps a little bit too confident in their ability and perhaps not the best teammate (to say the least). devin became a pretty damn good player and i'm glad his personality wrinkles were ironed out.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 24, 2020 14:55:01 GMT -5
Like Tom, I worked with Devin on career discussions. A couple of in-person meetings, a few phone calls and many emails. Also, like Tom, it was his junior, maybe even senior year, so all that jerk stuff was obviously gone by the time I worked with him - if it ever existed. He was unfailingly polite and went out of his way to introduce me to his mother when we chanced to be eating at a post-game meal at the same restaurant across from the DCU.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 24, 2020 15:14:42 GMT -5
So you think our problems are based on Nelson's scheme? Any further details on that or just that it's been easy for opponents to score? Our second team at practice is Riley-Yeutter-LeSaan-Sandy-Verbeek. If my math is correct, those five guys have combined for one good college game (LeSaan at Army, whenever that was). I'm curious as to how you think Nelson should be able to teach the starters (who were not recruited to defend) a completely new defense when there is currently no opportunity to simulate a D1 offense for them to guard in practice. On top of that four starters are averaging 34+ minutes in games, so there is not really much opportunity for live, full speed practice. sov has never had your hero or villain mentality, and his posts have been pretty consistent with the view (that i share) that the epic struggles on defense are a combination of both considerable roster limitations (which are most definitely there) AND nelson's either inexperience or inability (let's hope it's the former) in defensive schemes and roster management. a strong defensive coach, no matter how bad the roster, would not have his team in the bottom 5 in the entire country. bottom 100 with this roster? sure. bottom 50? maybe. but not bottom 5. that's terrible no matter how you slice it. although in nelson's defense (schematically at least, as he contributed to the issue) and a note of optimism going forward, as has been noted by many, not having a point guard throws everything off defensively and is incredibly tough on the program at every level. that glaring hole in the program the size of the grand canyon right now will be eliminated from day 1 next year when we have a point guard again in rj. and it looks like we have a very capable point guard in rj. i do hope that nelson learned that benching your only point guard and making public media statements about it (completely uncalled for and a total rookie move... this is the patriot league for crying out loud) when you have no backup point guard can have drastic consequences. nelson is learning, just as our young players, and i have cut him slack for that (and all the other roster defections) but there is no more slack for him - zero - when it comes to any more players leaving the program. while i have seen little adjustment or defensive improvement, the optimist in me is hopeful that not having a point guard is the primary reason that our defense has regressed as the season has gone on. Regarding point guards, I would have liked this outwardly unproductive season to have yielded a backup point guard who had averaged ten minutes per game and had slowly improved from that experience despite not having starting talent. Then we would have that tool in our toolbox for the next three seasons. Now, while improvement can still happen despite not playing regularly as a sub, we are more likely to lose that player, making the PG position totally unproductive for the 2019-20 season, except for having one year left of AB with some experience playing out of position.
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 24, 2020 15:31:29 GMT -5
It's not the X's and O's, it's all about the Jimmys and Joes....and we only have one Joe...
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 24, 2020 15:34:21 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 24, 2020 15:52:17 GMT -5
Next year it will be one Joe and two RJ's.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 24, 2020 16:51:26 GMT -5
Lowder (more, of course) and Hargis killed the depth- you gotta play 8 and we play 7. And sometimes Verbeek doesn't play much, so make it 6.5
I can't see why Reilly doesn't play a few unless the coach really thinks he can't...I mean, any other reason is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 24, 2020 17:06:50 GMT -5
Reilly's situation is a 100% mystery to us. That in itself is disturbing.
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Post by possum on Feb 24, 2020 18:43:40 GMT -5
Reilly started the season as the backup PG and was beaten out by a walk on Yeutter, that should tell you all you need to know. We spend far to much time agonizing over players who will not contribute to a winning program. Bottom line we need better players.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 24, 2020 21:58:37 GMT -5
It's not the X's and O's, it's all about the Jimmys and Joes....and we only have one Joe... Not true because when you don't have "Jimmys and Joes" you had better have "Xs and Os", and HC has neither right now.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 24, 2020 22:15:01 GMT -5
It's not the X's and O's, it's all about the Jimmys and Joes....and we only have one Joe... Not true because when you don't have "Jimmys and Joes" you had better have "Xs and Os", and HC has neither right now. Good one.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 24, 2020 22:43:17 GMT -5
It's not the X's and O's, it's all about the Jimmys and Joes....and we only have one Joe... Not true because when you don't have "Jimmys and Joes" you had better have "Xs and Os", and HC has neither right now. What should Nelson be doing differently from an X’s & O’s perspective given the current state of our roster?
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 24, 2020 23:01:13 GMT -5
Reilly's situation is a 100% mystery to us. That in itself is disturbing. We'll know more from those who attend the pre-game reception with the coach, and/or from Meat Wilkerson's next post.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 24, 2020 23:19:12 GMT -5
Reilly started the season as the backup PG and was beaten out by a walk on Yeutter, that should tell you all you need to know. We spend far to much time agonizing over players who will not contribute to a winning program. Bottom line we need better players. We don't even know if Reilly has a schollie. But if he does, are you telling me a walk on replaced a schollie? I don't think so. Or maybe that tells us Reilly DOESN'T have a schollie. That's what I mean. There's so much we don't know about the inner workings of this team. Why all this secrecy? Can't a jounalist ask Nelson POINTED questions? If he doesn't want to answer, let him say so. We're not talking about the nuclear launch code. Jeez.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 25, 2020 8:01:22 GMT -5
Reilly started the season as the backup PG and was beaten out by a walk on Yeutter, that should tell you all you need to know. We spend far to much time agonizing over players who will not contribute to a winning program. Bottom line we need better players. We don't even know if Reilly has a schollie. But if he does, are you telling me a walk on replaced a schollie? I don't think so. Or maybe that tells us Reilly DOESN'T have a schollie. That's what I mean. There's so much we don't know about the inner workings of this team. Why all this secrecy? Can't a jounalist ask Nelson POINTED questions? If he doesn't want to answer, let him say so. We're not talking about the nuclear launch code. Jeez. In what world does any CEO talk about personnel matters, and in the case of scholarships compensation, in a public forum?
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Post by hchoops on Feb 25, 2020 8:05:53 GMT -5
Agree plus NCAA and Federal privacy rules prohibit coaches talking about this
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Post by sarasota on Feb 25, 2020 8:17:01 GMT -5
We don't even know if Reilly has a schollie. But if he does, are you telling me a walk on replaced a schollie? I don't think so. Or maybe that tells us Reilly DOESN'T have a schollie. That's what I mean. There's so much we don't know about the inner workings of this team. Why all this secrecy? Can't a jounalist ask Nelson POINTED questions? If he doesn't want to answer, let him say so. We're not talking about the nuclear launch code. Jeez. In what world does any CEO talk about personnel matters, and in the case of scholarships compensation, in a public forum? People have to PAY to watch the team perform. And schollie players are, in effect, paid $280K+ to perform. The coach has been paid in the past $300K+/yr to perform. The media are profit-making, both TV3 and the PL Network on Stadium via fees and advertising. Bus companies and airlines are paid to provide transportation. The venture is a quasi commercial activity. That makes it a public venture. E.g., the coach could tell us how many schollies there now are without naming names, etc. He could talk in a little more detail about the teams performance and his schemes, etc. without naming names instead of repeating platitudes.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 25, 2020 8:41:41 GMT -5
Agree plus NCAA and Federal privacy rules prohibit coaches talking about this There’s no rule that prevents the coach or team from saying which players have scholarships and which players are walk-ons. There are many D1 programs where players are listed as walk-on’s right on their bio page. It’s up to each coach or school.
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Post by Tom on Feb 25, 2020 8:53:03 GMT -5
Reilly started the season as the backup PG and was beaten out by a walk on Yeutter, that should tell you all you need to know. We spend far to much time agonizing over players who will not contribute to a winning program. Bottom line we need better players. We don't even know if Reilly has a schollie. But if he does, are you telling me a walk on replaced a schollie? I don't think so. Or maybe that tells us Reilly DOESN'T have a schollie. That's what I mean. There's so much we don't know about the inner workings of this team. Why all this secrecy? Can't a jounalist ask Nelson POINTED questions? If he doesn't want to answer, let him say so. We're not talking about the nuclear launch code. Jeez. You are correct, we don't know if Reilly has a scholarship. His late arrival came after LOI day. We have all seen the same facts and have drawn different conclusions. I am assuming that he is on scholarship. That being said, yes I am absolutely telling you that if a walk-on is getting the job done in practice better than a scholarship player, that walk on will see the minutes. I don't know if there's a lot of secrecy about this. I agree. A journalist could ask Coach Nelson pointed questions. The trick is finding a journalist who actually cares enough to ask the question. When Charles, Stevens, and Powers were placed on interim suspension for potential NCAA rules violations it made the Boston news outlets - and that was the end of the story. Not one journalist cared enough to follow up and find out what they did wrong or how long the interim suspension was. That was a legitimate news story. If no one is going to follow that up, they're certainly not going to track down the scholarship status of kids who joined the program after LOI day. Does it count as being secretive if you don't answer a question that was never asked? In general, everyone knows who is on scholarship and who is not because LOI's are publicized. The revolving door of players in and out has led to late signings. After that, there's little point from the team standpoint in discussing the issue. Everyone is on a team. Guys will know their place on the depth chart, but there's nothing to be gained by continually pointing out that some members of a team are actually second class citizens. As fans we discuss and speculate, but we don't really engage in team building.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 25, 2020 10:06:27 GMT -5
Well said, Tom.
The team. is just that, a team at an academic institution. The comparison to a business is a very slippery slope. After all, just because you buy a ticket, that does not convey the sort of information access you seem to feel is necessary. Also, not everything connected to Holy Cross is a "conspiracy." Just because one wants to know something, that does not, by itself, make that a "right."
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Post by timholycross on Feb 25, 2020 10:08:05 GMT -5
What matters most is the actions of the coach show to a great degree (not beyond reasonable doubt, I won't go that far) that he doesn't think the player can contribute to what he is trying to do.
But I agree the college is being oversensitive about this kind of stuff. Seems to have started with the previous coach.
In any case, the other 3 ongoing mysteries (Copeland, Faulkner, Coach Park) are more upsetting to me.
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Post by MeatWilkerson on Feb 25, 2020 10:52:46 GMT -5
Agree plus NCAA and Federal privacy rules prohibit coaches talking about this There’s no rule that prevents the coach or team from saying which players have scholarships and which players are walk-ons. There are many D1 programs where players are listed as walk-on’s right on their bio page. It’s up to each coach or school. Per Fatam Breaston who knows things, Reilly is on work-study
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