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Post by spenser on Feb 29, 2020 18:37:35 GMT -5
I am here. They are playing hard. They are playing poorly. I was there too. Dave is right on the money.
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Post by spenser on Feb 29, 2020 18:38:56 GMT -5
i know these announcers are just doing their job - never easy in holy cross basketball these days - but "what's the biggest improvement" is one of the biggest jokes of a comment i've ever heard! we have gotten worse as the season has gone along. this is rare for any team, but especially for a team whose ooc sos is higher than its league sos. in other words, we have played worse against worse teams. i have seen little evidence of offensive or defensive improvement in this team and this is deeply concerning. I’ve been to every home game. They got better.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 29, 2020 18:43:18 GMT -5
i know these announcers are just doing their job - never easy in holy cross basketball these days - but "what's the biggest improvement" is one of the biggest jokes of a comment i've ever heard! we have gotten worse as the season has gone along. this is rare for any team, but especially for a team whose ooc sos is higher than its league sos. in other words, we have played worse against worse teams. i have seen little evidence of offensive or defensive improvement in this team and this is deeply concerning. I’ve been to every home game. There is a special place in heaven for you....
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Post by MeatWilkerson on Feb 29, 2020 18:57:18 GMT -5
Tyrone Cohen isn't walking through that door
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Post by HC92 on Feb 29, 2020 18:59:30 GMT -5
Quick. Name all the D1 teams with only one player on the roster who has averaged at least 20 mpg in a season of college basketball prior to this year.
This season has been very frustrating but it tells us very little of what we need to know.
We’ll be very young again next year but will have a lot more experience than we had going into this year plus some guys who seem like they can help arriving in the Fall. I’ll take “wait and see” for $1000, Alex.
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Post by joe on Feb 29, 2020 20:18:22 GMT -5
Quick. Name all the D1 teams with only one player on the roster who has averaged at least 20 mpg in a season of college basketball prior to this year. This season has been very frustrating but it tells us very little of what we need to know. We’ll be very young again next year but will have a lot more experience than we had going into this year plus some guys who seem like they can help arriving in the Fall. I’ll take “wait and see” for $1000, Alex. Makes sense on paper but my concern today is with the fundamental aspects of the game that even poor players and coaches should be able to execute. For example, simple defensive positioning and closing out on a skip pass. You don’t have to have 20 min per game of college experience to do that. All you need are two legs and a coach teaching you how to do it. Also there is an opinion here that we’ve actually have been improving? Ok.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 29, 2020 20:31:59 GMT -5
Quick. Name all the D1 teams with only one player on the roster who has averaged at least 20 mpg in a season of college basketball prior to this year. This season has been very frustrating but it tells us very little of what we need to know. We’ll be very young again next year but will have a lot more experience than we had going into this year plus some guys who seem like they can help arriving in the Fall. I’ll take “wait and see” for $1000, Alex. All well and good. Doesn’t excuse what happened today against American. Nelson said we would be better off in February than November. I don’t think that to be the case. Nelson should be getting a pass to a degree, but I think we are getting a glimpse into potential shortcomings about his ability to teach and coach the defensive side of the ball.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 29, 2020 20:39:17 GMT -5
I have to agree.
The team looks like they want this season to be OVER.
I hope they don’t get stuck playing Bucknell in the opening round of the tourney. Finishing the season with 12 hours on a bus to and from the middle of nowhere would be the cherry on the sundae for this debacle. At Bucknell Tuesday night at 7:00.
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Post by cfrivals on Feb 29, 2020 21:04:24 GMT -5
Again to quote the great Moe Howard :”look I’m getting better the holes are getting smaller”
Guys to lose by 30 plus to the PL in unacceptable for any coach or any HC team!! This league is mediocre at best. When we lost to Duke by 20+ or even Milan stayed with UNC most of the game with not so hot of a team.
3-29 is lower than low can go! Anyone affiliated with HC athletics should be embarrassed and be looking to never see the program slide to to bottom of D1
UM wins 20 games in 1st year if D1, and the mighty HC loses 29!! Cmon! Everyone involved takes blame for this, no mulligans!
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Post by dadominate on Feb 29, 2020 21:17:09 GMT -5
i know these announcers are just doing their job - never easy in holy cross basketball these days - but "what's the biggest improvement" is one of the biggest jokes of a comment i've ever heard! we have gotten worse as the season has gone along. this is rare for any team, but especially for a team whose ooc sos is higher than its league sos. in other words, we have played worse against worse teams. i have seen little evidence of offensive or defensive improvement in this team and this is deeply concerning. I’ve been to every home game. They got better. with all due respect - and you deserve it for going to all the games! - doing so does not make one any more qualified to judge improvement than watching the game. we lost by over 40 points at home, lost by 30 points to colgate last weekend, and have lost 11 straight patriot league games to close the season. don’t kill the messenger, but that is not improvement and we have sadly not improved by any meaningful metric. we all wish it weren’t the case, but it is.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 29, 2020 21:47:19 GMT -5
We lost to Colgate & American by 20 to end last season too (another last place finish in the PL, for those who seem to think this year’s dreadful results came out of the blue), and then we lost our 3 best players + Senior Pat Benzan.
The only thing this season proved is that Nelson is not up for coaching a rag tag roster of fringe D1 players (to be generous) to a successful season.
Based on Nelson’s recruiting so far, we’ll never have to see him coaching a roster like this one again.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 29, 2020 22:00:54 GMT -5
I do believe each of the players developed and improved over the course of the season, but it didn’t show up as a team.
As a team they played hard and there might have been a few improvements, unfortunately they were far fewer than those made by our opponents. The group didn’t appear to have the chemistry of a winning team or play with a purpose. in fact, I don’t recall many minutes or games where the played with a rhythm and confidence that gave them a chance to win.
That might have been because of talent misaligned for the systems of play, lack of a point guard, a constantly changing roster, players playing out of position, a new coach, and a coach who was in his role for the first time. Any single reason might be managed, two or three would be difficult, but all of these existed this year and made it virtually impossible to have a different result.
On reflection it probably is best to view this as a painful experience for all involved-coaches, players, parents, fans, administration and students and cross our fingers for the future. Most of these reasons, however, were controlled/impacted by the coaches, and only time will tell if their approaches in year one were best for the future of the program.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 29, 2020 23:45:56 GMT -5
The hiring of poor coaches has been due to the hiring of poor ADs. Who comprises the Brain Trust that hired the poor ADs?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 1, 2020 7:25:24 GMT -5
There is no doubt the level of play has dropped off in the last couple of weeks; I've felt the injury to AB triggered it. But- I think some are confusing total discouragement with not caring. When I see AB slamming his remaining healthy hand to the floor, I'm seeing someone totally frustrated; not someone who has folded his tent.
I've tried to think of real life analogies, and this is one that came to mind (that I've experienced): ever been laid off for an extended period of time? Ever been shot down on interviews time and time again, no matter how much you prepare? I can tell you when it happened to me, there were plenty of days when I wasn't at my best around my loved ones.....but I always cared, and didn't give up. These guys aren't machine parts.....
We can also be cavalier in our attitudes about the remaining players (you know, they are borderline D-1 talents, who cares, we're not winning with them).....but they may end up playing a part in what recruits decide to come here and which ones pass on the offers. I would think recruits would want to get the low down on what it's really like to play for CBN; who do you suppose they are going to ask?
Certainly, long term this doesn't cut it at all, and the record just jumps out at you....but it doesn't mean it can't be fixed. We will probably know a LOT more a year from now.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 1, 2020 7:38:04 GMT -5
Like most others, I've extended the benefit of the doubt to Nelson this year. But with the end of the season comes the end of the honeymoon. With the arrival of 5+ new faces, all "his guys," my expectations are that we will see some marginal improvement in the OOC next year, then markedly better results in conference.
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Post by trimster on Mar 1, 2020 7:48:45 GMT -5
Like most others, I've extended the benefit of the doubt to Nelson this year. But with the end of the season comes the end of the honeymoon. With the arrival of 5+ new faces, all "his guys," my expectations are that we will see some marginal improvement in the OOC next year, then markedly better results in conference. I am not expecting much out of next year. I was overly optimistic heading into this season after watching a couple of practices but will not fall into that trap next season. We will be heavily dependent on frosh to make major contributions and that usually doesn’t produce great results. I expect to see significant improvement in year 3.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 1, 2020 7:51:38 GMT -5
trimster, that seems realistic. I expected a losing season this year, but in my wildest imagination (or fears) I did not picture this season's record. I have learned to take one game at a time and will seek to do that again next year and in the future.
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Post by crusader12 on Mar 1, 2020 7:55:43 GMT -5
Our best fan(outside of NAD, of course) (there will be obvious comments about the photo) Cringeworthy.....what a dumpster fire this season has been. The sad thing is not many care anymore. Luth was lipstick on a pig. Sacred Hart will get Hockey East over Holy Cross because we did nothing to our rink. Why support this place when they don’t care about athletics at the BoT level.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 1, 2020 7:59:38 GMT -5
Going 3-10 OOC, 7-11 PL, 0-1 PLT in 20-21 would representative marked improvement for me. That's still a lowly 10-22, but +7 over this disaster.
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Post by bigfan on Mar 1, 2020 8:00:56 GMT -5
Talking with some season ticket holders yesterday they are fed up with the program. I one person stated that HC can't recruit any top athletes because they do not like the schedule we play. Let's hope that next year we turn the table and start to show that we can improve our program and maybe our recruiting will continue to move forward.
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Post by efg72 on Mar 1, 2020 8:18:36 GMT -5
Like most others, I've extended the benefit of the doubt to Nelson this year. But with the end of the season comes the end of the honeymoon. With the arrival of 5+ new faces, all "his guys," my expectations are that we will see some marginal improvement in the OOC next year, then markedly better results in conference. I am not expecting much out of next year. I was overly optimistic heading into this season after watching a couple of practices but will not fall into that trap next season. We will be heavily dependent on frosh to make major contributions and that usually doesn’t produce great results. I expect to see significant improvement in year 3. We can only hope. Certainly this is about improving the talent in the years ahead and that is achievable. Equally or perhaps more important is for a coach to understand the strengths and weaknesses of his players and what will work. Sometimes this takes longer for a first time Coach. With some good fortune Nelson will recognize what he needs to do to get better and reach out to his mentors in the offseason and get some help in building this out.
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Post by trimster on Mar 1, 2020 8:21:43 GMT -5
Talking with some season ticket holders yesterday they are fed up with the program. I one person stated that HC can't recruit any top athletes because they do not like the schedule we play. Let's hope that next year we turn the table and start to show that we can improve our program and maybe our recruiting will continue to move forward. There is a ceiling on the level of athletes HC can recruit but that doesn’t mean we can’t have consistently winning teams at the level we have chosen to compete at and even an outstanding season here and there. Not every very good student-athlete out there is going to a high major college or university. By the way, was there anyone under 55 or 60 at the season ticket holders get together in the Bud Ryan Room?
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Post by timholycross on Mar 1, 2020 8:25:17 GMT -5
Most sane people were willing to let the last two coaches get "their" players. Unless there's something going on behind the scenes (physical or mental abuse, NCAA violations, etc.) this man deserves his chance. I'll never see another HC basketball game if he's just outright let go given what he had to work with.
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Post by trimster on Mar 1, 2020 8:35:48 GMT -5
Most sane people were willing to let the last two coaches get "their" players. Unless there's something going on behind the scenes (physical or mental abuse, NCAA violations, etc.) this man deserves his chance. I'll never see another HC basketball game if he's just outright let go given what he had to work with. I am not sure why you say “let go” at the end of your comment. Do you really think anyone is looking for that to happen. People aren’t happy and they shouldn’t be but I think everyone here has a realistic look at what has happened over the last ten years and didn’t expect Brett Nelson to be a miracle man right out of the gate.
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Post by efg72 on Mar 1, 2020 8:37:19 GMT -5
He deserves 3-4 years with his players to deliver results and grow into his role. But like everybody he needs to get better as well.
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