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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 23, 2020 9:11:00 GMT -5
i personally like the chesney model. success as a head coach at the d2 or d3 level usually translates. if you can coach, you can coach. paulsen in the pl is a great example. sachs would have been a nice hire for us in this mold. hopefully nelson is learning what it takes to be a head coach and turns things around so the next time won't be for a while/when he leaves us for a better program, but when the next time ultimately comes, i hope we go the chesney model. Agree 100% and I think I've said this from day one. If you can coach you can coach, If you can recruit to D-2 or D-3 you can recruit to D-1 high or low or mid-major: it is selling the program. If you can recognize high school talent you can recognize it whatever the level of school you are recruiting to. If you can see what D-3 players need to do to improve you can do the same with D-1. If you're a leader, if you're someone who can inspire players at D-2 or D-3 you can likely do the same at D-1.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 23, 2020 9:22:58 GMT -5
Just for clarification...what precisely is the "Chesney model?" Funk and Wagnalls describes it as a young head coach who has turned one or more lower level teams around to winning programs and then moves up to D-1. George was 13-12, 10-16, 14-12 at Dartmouth. That puts him closer to Coach Magarity at UNH than Chesney at Assumption; and, yes, winning basketball at Dartmouth is/was as rare as winning basketball at UNH (either gender).
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Post by classof83 on Apr 23, 2020 9:30:04 GMT -5
How do you access the Webinar?
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Post by hchoops on Apr 23, 2020 9:31:28 GMT -5
Funk and Wagnalls describes it as a young head coach who has turned one or more lower level teams around to winning programs and then moves up to D-1. George was 13-12, 10-16, 14-12 at Dartmouth. That puts him closer to Coach Magarity at UNH than Chesney at Assumption; and, yes, winning basketball at Dartmouth is/was as rare as winning basketball at UNH (either gender). George was a highly respected alum, for good reason
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Post by timholycross on Apr 23, 2020 9:35:11 GMT -5
Someone way back on page 1 or 2 mentioned Covid is not an excuse; I believe in Pridgen's case it might well be part of the decision.
If he stayed at HC and there is no season, no guarantees he gets to play 4 years w/o being a grad transfer somewhere. He might even be more hopeful he's NOT eligible in the fall, gets to work on his game more (especially if he moves up a level or two, with his size deficiency, he's not going to be nearly as effective unless he learns to shoot better).
And the person that mentioned Butler and Faw; again, if there's no season, I don't expect to see either one of them in 2021-22. They'll either play as grad students somewhere or they won't play.
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Post by joe on Apr 23, 2020 9:42:04 GMT -5
Two possibilities:
1. This is a large scale, unprecedented purging of the program by a genius head coach who plans to justify it later with a a string of Patriot League championships and deep runs into the NCAA. If so, I would think a program so intent on winning at all costs would by now have a decent gym or even just a scoreboard, or at least know how to serve up a hotdog at halftime.
2. The head coach has take a program on life support and pulled the plug.
I can see one or two players leaving for greener pastures or a variety of other valid reasons but not half a roster; sorry. On no planet is this within the bounds of normal or what can be considered acceptable for HC.
In medicine, usually the most likely diagnosis is the correct one.
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Post by Ray on Apr 23, 2020 9:50:37 GMT -5
How do you access the Webinar? Sign up by responding to the email invite. Once you register you get the access info... on signup page and via email.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 23, 2020 9:53:35 GMT -5
How do you access the Webinar? Sign up by responding to the email invite. Once you register you get the access info... on signup page and via email. I believe only those who contributed to the Crusader athletic Fund got invites.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 23, 2020 9:54:22 GMT -5
IIRC that is correct.
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Post by Ray on Apr 23, 2020 9:55:48 GMT -5
Yes, the webinar is for CAF donors.
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Post by joe on Apr 23, 2020 9:57:31 GMT -5
I’ll be on a Zoom call for work so can’t attend and would love to hear a summary if someone would be kind enough to post. Had I been able to participate I would also ask the very bluntest of questions about the basketball program.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Apr 23, 2020 9:59:16 GMT -5
Analogies are the crutch of a weak mind, I've read before, and hence why I use them so often.
Prior posters have commented that fantastic quote that we can finish in last place with you, and we can finish in last place without you. YES, of course one player (shy of say, Michael Jordan or Kevin Durant) walking through the door won't resurrect this moribund program. However, this is a brick house decimated by a tornado for ten years and blown to pieces. Joe P was an award-winning frosh player for us. Did that mean we really competed for a league title? No. Did that mean we competed rather generally-speaking? Not really. Does that one, strong, symmetrical brick rebuild the whole house? Of course not.
However, if every time we find a decent brick to start to rebuild our house we have to give up that brick 12 months later... or each time we get two decent bricks we lose six more... the house will NEVER be rebuilt. Yes, we're past the point of any of these players here, or incoming, being saviors... but if NOBODY stays who is near-worth keeping, we may as well FOLD the basketball program. Forget D1, D2, or D3, they'll be taking anybody who might stay, rotating ADs and coaches every four years, and spending a fortune for basketball to allow players an opportunity to play (they may not warrant anywhere else) in front of empty gyms, and earn an HC degree for free.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 23, 2020 10:00:04 GMT -5
Blossom might be wishing he had this before yesterday
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 23, 2020 10:04:14 GMT -5
Two possibilities: 1. This is a large scale, unprecedented purging of the program by a genius head coach who plans to justify it later with a a string of Patriot League championships and deep runs into the NCAA. If so, I would think a program so intent on winning at all costs would by now have a decent gym or even just a scoreboard, or at least know how to serve up a hotdog at halftime. 2. The head coach has take a program on life support and pulled the plug. I can see one or two players leaving for greener pastures or a variety of other valid reasons but not half a roster; sorry. On no planet is this within the bounds of normal or what can be considered acceptable for HC. In medicine, usually the most likely diagnosis is the correct one. Option one was spotted leaving town with "Slim" shortly after the Goodman tweet.🙂
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Post by Chu Chu on Apr 23, 2020 11:12:00 GMT -5
Coach Nelson deserves our respect and support at this stage. He has competed as a player and coach at the highest levels, and been a winner. We need to help and not tear him down. #GoCrossGo
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Apr 23, 2020 11:24:16 GMT -5
You can't compare the glory days of HC basketball or even ten years....the landscape has completely changed over the past 3-4 years with the transfer rules....
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Apr 23, 2020 11:39:47 GMT -5
What time is the webinar?
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 23, 2020 11:40:38 GMT -5
1:00 pm e.s.t. (in about 20 minutes)
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Post by why4 on Apr 23, 2020 11:52:43 GMT -5
Joe and Ciaran both were with Lowder back in Michigan a few weeks ago. Now neither are with the program. Not a conspiracy guy, but a connect the dots guy. Idiotic statement.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 23, 2020 12:04:20 GMT -5
Let's give Nelson a chance, coaches need to recruit their type of players. It can't be done in one year. Let's see what happens in the next two years. I think we should get behind the coach and let him know that we are supporting his efforts.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 23, 2020 12:10:28 GMT -5
Who is the 8th player we signed
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Post by HC16 on Apr 23, 2020 12:15:14 GMT -5
Who is the 8th player we signed Joey Reilly?
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Post by efg72 on Apr 23, 2020 12:16:46 GMT -5
ok-- thanks
it sounded like we just signed 8- but he could have been going to those signed since his arrival
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 23, 2020 12:21:59 GMT -5
You can't compare the glory days of HC basketball or even ten years....the landscape has completely changed over the past 3-4 years with the transfer rules.... Its not just the rules, its the culture. Because of the prevalence of social media, its now possible for individuals to quantify their stardom and following. In 2005, unless your name was LeBron James, nobody new who even the top athletes were in HS unless you either a) lived in their town, b) extensively followes HS sports in that region or c) really combed through the last couple pages in Street & Smith which were dedicated to prep rankings. Today, these kids have thousands of "followers" on Twitter and Instagram from the time they turn 16. Even FCS football recruits are flaunting the courtship left and right saying how "blessed" they are to receive an offer from school X. Remember how annoying it was when top recruits were simply choosing the "hat of their choice" in front of the cameras? Maybe putting it on Youtube. Its now gotten 30x more obnoxious. That culture is the reason for the mass transfers. Its the thrill of the courtship that's driving it IMO. Especially in today's smartphone-driven social culture where perhaps relationships built in-person, on-campus aren't what they used to be. You not only would have had to PAY ME to transfer from HC when I was a student, you would've had to kidnap and physically drag me out of Worcester. Thats how much I loved HC. As did many others I went to school with.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 23, 2020 12:28:53 GMT -5
You can't compare the glory days of HC basketball or even ten years....the landscape has completely changed over the past 3-4 years with the transfer rules.... Its not just the rules, its the culture. Because of the prevalence of social media, its now possible for individuals to quantify their stardom and following. In 2005, unless your name was LeBron James, nobody new who even the top athletes were in HS unless you either a) lived in their town, b) extensively followes HS sports in that region or c) really combed through the last couple pages in Street & Smith which were dedicated to prep rankings. Today, these kids have thousands of "followers" on Twitter and Instagram from the time they turn 16. Even FCS football recruits are flaunting the courtship left and right saying how "blessed" they are to receive an offer from school X. Remember how annoying it was when top recruits were simply choosing the "hat of their choice" in front of the cameras? Maybe putting it on Youtube. Its now gotten 30x more obnoxious. That culture is the reason for the mass transfers. Its the thrill of the courtship that's driving it IMO. Especially in today's smartphone-driven social culture where perhaps relationships built in-person, on-campus aren't what they used to be. You not only would have had to PAY ME to transfer from HC when I was a student, you would've had to kidnap and physically drag me out of Worcester. Thats how much I loved HC. As did many others I went to school with. Well stated from someone closer in age to today's players than many of us.
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