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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Apr 27, 2020 17:07:51 GMT -5
Next season every player on the team will want to be there and be wanted by the coaching staff. That alone should be worth a few wins. The hardwood floors of living rooms are not the hardwood of the Hart. You have no way to determine this until the sneakers are laced up. |
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 27, 2020 17:20:17 GMT -5
We had a few wins (3) this year. It shouldn't be too hard to match it with the new cast and culture.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 27, 2020 17:33:29 GMT -5
BBC, forget Lowder . . . . . . there are a LOT of guys besides him who are leaving. Were they all "dogging it?" Remember: "You are what your record says you are." See my latest post with Blossom's three buckets. Aside from Pridgen, they were all either not D1 players or did not want to be role players capping out at 20 MPG. You hear what you want to hear I guess blossom said nothing, which means he has enjoyed great media training but nelson might be able to recruit but he has yet to indicate any ability to do anything else resembling coaching |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 27, 2020 17:42:34 GMT -5
So what does he need to do next year to stay ? In addition to that, I want to see a 10 win season. I want to see some great X's & O's work. I want to see an improved defensive effort. I want to see player improvement. |
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Post by hchoops on Apr 27, 2020 18:38:43 GMT -5
No more transfers or mid-season disappearances. In addition to that, I want to see a 10 win season. We do not know most of the OOC schedule yet, but 10 is quite a challenge for a team that has only 4 players(one of whom played little)who contributed 26.1 of 65.8 points and 13.2 rebounds of 32.5 returning. Plus all the rest has to be contributed by 7 newcomers, inc. 6 freshmen. |
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Post by HC92 on Apr 27, 2020 19:15:54 GMT -5
I think 10 wins is a reasonable goal. Plenty of beatable teams in the PL. I also suspect we will go pretty easy on the OOC as well. Mostly games in which we should be competitive if I had to guess. Rutgers may be the best team we play.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 27, 2020 19:38:11 GMT -5
I think 10 wins is a reasonable goal. Plenty of beatable teams in the PL. I also suspect we will go pretty easy on the OOC as well. Mostly games in which we should be competitive if I had to guess. Rutgers may be the best team we play. Are you aware of any games besides Rutgers and Miami-Ohio ? |
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Post by HC92 on Apr 27, 2020 19:43:33 GMT -5
I think 10 wins is a reasonable goal. Plenty of beatable teams in the PL. I also suspect we will go pretty easy on the OOC as well. Mostly games in which we should be competitive if I had to guess. Rutgers may be the best team we play. Are you aware of any games besides Rutgers and Miami-Ohio ? CCSU, I think. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 28, 2020 5:34:00 GMT -5
I think I'm willing to accept that last season might have been a perfect storm in regards to the transfers, given that the coaching styles of the present and former coach could not be more different. I can see recruited walk ons wanting a chance to play; I can see guys feeling like they can play at a higher level. But that HAS to be a one off in my mind; the ship has to be righted NOW. And while I agree it's not CBN's job to make sure the former coach's recruits are happy - as far as I'm concerned at this point in time Austin Butler and Matt Faw have invested more blood, sweat and tears into the HC program than CBN has. He does owe it to them to do everything in his power to get the most out of next years team. They don't need any life lessons at this point; they need to see what their coaches are going to do to help them win the next game.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 28, 2020 6:46:18 GMT -5
Agree but in addition to owing them a full opportunity as seniors, he must prove he can coach by preparing this team to win games. Last season, while tough to watch, he clearly did not fulfill his obligations as a head coach. We can call it a learning experience, part of his development as a person and a coach, and youthful exuberance.
Had Nelson performed, in practice and games, the team likely would have won 8-10 games. Not a big difference, but to the players and the community a big deal.
The majority of the 20-21 roster will be his recruits, so if he is the coach Blossom says he is, he owes the team more wins than he should have delivered this past season. If we play a full schedule next year, I expect 10-11 wins, and lose one or two players to the transfer portal. If that is the result, I would say he stabilized the dysfunction we are witnessing today, and has the ability to turn this around. Otherwise I fear the transfer portal will be busy and this board and other financial supporters of HC basketball will make some noise.
Time will tell, I just sense the clock is ticking.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 28, 2020 7:42:04 GMT -5
I hope you are wrong. As I watched the team, I did see players developing under Nelson. I hope that continues to be the case. This season will be a true test. I am not one of those who continues to label players by the head coach under whom they signed a LOI. Coach Nelson does not have BC's players and "his players." He is coaching a team filled with Holy Cross players. But, that is probably now an old school belief.
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Post by hc6774 on Apr 28, 2020 7:57:39 GMT -5
what I saw was a season long try out, especially for the frosh & sophs... they got experience... which is a part of development.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 28, 2020 8:20:13 GMT -5
What I saw was a coach that threw the ball out and told his players to run a high post screen and weave. After Lowder departed only Joe and Austin could create and score, so imo the offense was at most limited and in a worst case a screen and a prayer. No real options for the other players.
Don’t know how to describe the vanilla m/m defense other than it more often resembled the old fashioned matador, and a few glimpses of basic zone to offer a brief change
Player development perhaps, but most of it seemed to come from playing minutes and learning the game in live situations.
It was more or less like watching one of many poorly coached AAU teams, where you look forward to playing that team as long as he is the coach. However, I give him a semi-pass since it was his first time leading a team. That said, if players looked at him as a leader they would follow him and do anything for him, instead his players walked out the front/back door. So it appears as if he has much to learn about getting his players on board.
I truly hope for a better future, but as we all know hope is not a strategy for success.
some of this I believe 100%, some I toss out there for the purpose of thought and added discussion
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Post by dadominate on Apr 28, 2020 9:26:10 GMT -5
What I saw was a coach that threw the ball out and told his players to run a high post screen and weave. After Lowder departed only Joe and Austin could create and score, so imo the offense was at most limited and in a worst case a screen and a prayer. No real options for the other players. Don’t know how to describe the vanilla m/m defense other than it more often resembled the old fashioned matador, and a few glimpses of basic zone to offer a brief change Player development perhaps, but most of it seemed to come from playing minutes and learning the game in live situations. It was more or less like watching one of many poorly coached AAU teams, where you look forward to playing that team as long as he is the coach. However, I give him a semi-pass since it was his first time leading a team. That said, if players looked at him as a leader they would follow him and do anything for him, instead his players walked out the front/back door. So it appears as if he has much to learn about getting his players on board. I truly hope for a better future, but as we all know hope is not a strategy for success. some of this I believe 100%, some I toss out there for the purpose of thought and added discussion hoping/expecting that nelson evolves beyond his first year struggles, but this is essentially exactly what i saw out on the floor last year. |
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Post by dadominate on Apr 28, 2020 9:27:23 GMT -5
I hope you are wrong. As I watched the team, I did see players developing under Nelson. I hope that continues to be the case. This season will be a true test. I am not one of those who continues to label players by the head coach under whom they signed a LOI. Coach Nelson does not have BC's players and "his players." He is coaching a team filled with Holy Cross players. But, that is probably now an old school belief. agree that everyone on the roster is a *holy cross* player from day one! |
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 28, 2020 11:58:41 GMT -5
I hope you are wrong. As I watched the team, I did see players developing under Nelson. I hope that continues to be the case. This season will be a true test. I am not one of those who continues to label players by the head coach under whom they signed a LOI. Coach Nelson does not have BC's players and "his players." He is coaching a team filled with Holy Cross players. But, that is probably now an old school belief. agree that everyone on the roster is a *holy cross* player from day one! Exactly. Holy Cross holds out to the public that players are students first and athletes second, true "student athletes" at Holy Cross. So the primary identity is as a Holy Cross student not as a player recruited by X or Y. That was turned around this season with so many leaving Holy Cross because of basketball. There wasn't a hint anyone left because another school offered a better History Department. Very short term transaction oriented at a school that thrives because so many students develop and maintain a lifetime relationship with Holy Cross. |
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Post by Tom on Apr 28, 2020 13:54:02 GMT -5
Absolutely.
If there was a realistic chance of advancing to pro ball and there's a reasonable expectation that the new school will improve the chances of playing pro ball fine. However so few from this level play pro ball, transferring sounds like a poor short term life decision.
I would cut these kids some slack if it turns out their major at the new school is something not offered at Holy Cross
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Post by hchoops on Apr 28, 2020 13:56:01 GMT -5
No current hoops student transfers because of a major, unless it is a grad transfer.
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