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Post by efg72 on Apr 22, 2020 13:58:12 GMT -5
Jeff Goodman tweeted Joe Pridgen is transferring
Holy Cross leading scorer Joe Pridgen is in the transfer portal, per source. The 6-5 freshman guard averaged 17.4 points and 6.8 rebounds this past season.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Apr 22, 2020 14:02:42 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 22, 2020 14:04:20 GMT -5
This, if true, is absolutely insane. If true, there is something terribly wrong with the program that must be addressed immediately.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Apr 22, 2020 14:04:32 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Apr 22, 2020 14:09:09 GMT -5
Make the bad man stop, Mommy!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 22, 2020 14:09:55 GMT -5
If he is, in fact, in the transfer portal I think we can narrow down the reasons why:
(1) he has a desire to play for a team at a much higher level, feels no real connection to Holy Cross, and feels now is the time to strike, and he may have been contacted by such higher level programs
(2) there is something terribly wrong with the program--despite his tremendous freshman year personal success, he finds it a misery to play for HC
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 22, 2020 14:10:07 GMT -5
I'm ill. Someone wake me up from this daytime nightmare.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 22, 2020 14:16:04 GMT -5
If true, not a surprise. I know most people will not agree, the problem is the Patriot League. Time to upgrade the schedule and we will keep the athletes.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 22, 2020 14:17:13 GMT -5
Where's BBC?
So much for all those good feelings heading into next season.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 22, 2020 14:17:56 GMT -5
What do we have left to the roster Nelson "inherited" ? I count the number as 5 if we include Copeland
Something smells in Denmark, and it is not because the kids couldn't play the game- some lower end or D3, but most all of these kids are leaving for programs currently ranked above us
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 22, 2020 14:18:33 GMT -5
If true, not a surprise. I know most people will not agree, the problem is the Patriot League. Time to upgrade the schedule and we will keep the athletes. We've been in the Patriot League for decades and have never before had this number of transfers--Keith Simmons, Kevin Hamilton, Jave Meade, Tim Szatko, Dave Dudzinski, Jehyve Floyd, Malcolm Miller all played four years for Holy Cross in the PL. There is more to this than the conference
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Post by possum on Apr 22, 2020 14:24:57 GMT -5
This is when it would be nice to have a local newspaper that cared about HC athletics and did some digging to find out what's going on up there. If this is the new norm for the college basketball world not sure I want to invest anymore time following it.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 22, 2020 14:31:21 GMT -5
The basketball program is broken. It's nice BN recruited some good players. Some of them will probably be good players, some will not. It's hard to believe any will be as good as JP. Without Pridgen we're probably looking at another single digit win season. Granted, some of this has to do with the emergence of a transfer culture in college sports, but the level of chaos in the program is stunning.
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Post by hc89 on Apr 22, 2020 14:31:43 GMT -5
If he is, in fact, in the transfer portal I think we can narrow down the reasons why: (1) he has a desire to play for a team at a much higher level, feels no real connection to Holy Cross, and feels now is the time to strike, and he may have been contacted by such higher level programs (2) there is something terribly wrong with the program--despite his tremendous freshman year personal success, he finds it a misery to play for HC I firmly believe it’s more of (1) than (2). Leagues like the PL, MAAC, Am East, CAA, etc. have become the “minor leagues” for higher profile programs. For good or bad, it has just become WAY TOO EASY for kids to move from program to program. A kid like Joe P, because of our circumstances, gets “featured” in our offense, puts up gaudy stats, wins lots of awards and gets to treat it like his “tryout” for a higher profile program. The fact that he plays a little out of position for his size, has a less than refined jump shot and hasn’t learned to play defense yet (things that usually cause players like this to end up at HC or other mid to lower D 1 schools in the first place) get completely lost in the shuffle. There is NO loyalty. HC Basketball desperately needs a 90-Wide type program like we have for football. We need more of these kids (and their parents) to understand the value proposition of an HC hoop career AND education. It’s certainly not the miracle cure, but it would be an important piece of the puzzle.
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Post by Tom on Apr 22, 2020 14:37:07 GMT -5
What do we have left to the roster Nelson "inherited" ? I count the number as 5 if we include Copeland Something smells in Denmark, and it is not because the kids couldn't play the game- some lower end or D3, but most all of these kids are leaving for programs currently ranked above us Not counting Copeland, 3 scholarship players. Butler, Faw, and Wade
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 22, 2020 14:41:05 GMT -5
If he is, in fact, in the transfer portal I think we can narrow down the reasons why: (1) he has a desire to play for a team at a much higher level, feels no real connection to Holy Cross, and feels now is the time to strike, and he may have been contacted by such higher level programs (2) there is something terribly wrong with the program--despite his tremendous freshman year personal success, he finds it a misery to play for HC I firmly believe it’s more of (1) than (2). Leagues like the PL, MAAC, Am East, CAA, etc. have become the “minor leagues” for higher profile programs. For good or bad, it has just become WAY TOO EASY for kids to move from program to program. A kid like Joe P, because of our circumstances, gets “featured” in our offense, puts up gaudy stats, wins lots of awards and gets to treat it like his “tryout” for a higher profile program. The fact that he plays a little out of position for his size, has a less than refined jump shot and hasn’t learned to play defense yet (things that usually cause players like this to end up at HC or other mid to lower D 1 schools in the first place) get completely lost in the shuffle. There is NO loyalty. HC Basketball desperately needs a 90-Wide type program like we have for football. We need more of these kids (and their parents) to understand the value proposition of an HC hoop career AND education. It’s certainly not the miracle cure, but it would be an important piece of the puzzle. I think we already have the start of one--didn't we extend the 90-wide to the hoop team a few months ago?
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Post by Tom on Apr 22, 2020 14:42:32 GMT -5
Jeff Goodman tweeted Joe Pridgen is transferring Holy Cross leading scorer Joe Pridgen is in the transfer portal, per source. The 6-5 freshman guard averaged 17.4 points and 6.8 rebounds this past season. 21 I don't pay attention to Twitter but I just checked Pridgen's account and he retweeted Goodman's tweet
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Post by efg72 on Apr 22, 2020 14:43:37 GMT -5
I counted Hargis even though he is WO
Either way it is really a sad state of affairs
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Post by Tom on Apr 22, 2020 14:45:34 GMT -5
I firmly believe it’s more of (1) than (2). Leagues like the PL, MAAC, Am East, CAA, etc. have become the “minor leagues” for higher profile programs. For good or bad, it has just become WAY TOO EASY for kids to move from program to program. A kid like Joe P, because of our circumstances, gets “featured” in our offense, puts up gaudy stats, wins lots of awards and gets to treat it like his “tryout” for a higher profile program. The fact that he plays a little out of position for his size, has a less than refined jump shot and hasn’t learned to play defense yet (things that usually cause players like this to end up at HC or other mid to lower D 1 schools in the first place) get completely lost in the shuffle. There is NO loyalty. HC Basketball desperately needs a 90-Wide type program like we have for football. We need more of these kids (and their parents) to understand the value proposition of an HC hoop career AND education. It’s certainly not the miracle cure, but it would be an important piece of the puzzle. I think we already have the start of one--didn't we extend the 90-wide to the hoop team a few months ago? The original version of the Basketball Society back in 2009 was supposed to be like that. I think the guy who founded it kind of gave up on it because he didn't like the direction of the program under Coach Brown
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Post by dharry13 on Apr 22, 2020 14:45:47 GMT -5
I honestly don't know what to believe at this point.
I think Nelson inherited a tough situation. Real tough with the top two scorers leaving and 4 other Juniors who weren't good enough to carry the team.
That said - some of this has to be on him. I have no idea how much is on him, but some of these recent ones are on his watch. Niego, Verbeek, Pridgen (if true). 6 Frosh and a JUCO transfer simply won't cut it in this league. The PL is usually a league with many juniors/seniors who play because it's extrememly rare for this talent level to leave early for the pros.
All we can do is sit and wait to see how all this shakes out, but IMO it's whistling past the graveyard to not feel there is some responsibility on Nelson's part. Damn.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 22, 2020 14:46:01 GMT -5
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Post by thecrossisback on Apr 22, 2020 14:46:07 GMT -5
I just wish these players so eager to transfer, Thought about maybe building a team to win a championship and go the NCAA. Being the best player on that team. (Like Football) Otherwise in the current setup, Holy Cross will not be able to keep anything together. Win or lose. I don't know what the next step is. But this has to be frustrating for the AD and Coach.
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Post by hc89 on Apr 22, 2020 14:48:42 GMT -5
I think we already have the start of one--didn't we extend the 90-wide to the hoop team a few months ago? There was a post about it a few months back, but I have seen no evidence that it has gotten off the ground for basketball.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 22, 2020 14:48:45 GMT -5
Where's BBC? So much for all those good feelings heading into next season. Right here. Of course losing Pridgen would suck, but one player does not make a program. I'm still not sure what you're saying Nelson should be doing differently. The program was in an awful place when he arrived, with an absolutely horrendous losing culture, and he is working on establishing a new culture predicated on this such as toughness and accountability. Doing so weeds out players who do not belong, but it also poses the risk that others (such as Pridgen) may not want to be part of a rebuild. This is the first transfer that would have a significant impact on the program, but I remain hopeful that Nelson has the recruiting chops to fill the gap -- we are off to a good start with Martindale, Bo, Bubba, and Townsel arriving in the fall.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Apr 22, 2020 14:48:49 GMT -5
I agree with hc89 100%. With several hundred of HC grads on Crossports, I am pretty certain that a serious problem with the program would have filtered up to someone on this board by now. My son was recruited to play soccer at several D1 schools and was also accepted at a top notch D3 school. And that's where he went. Kids nowadays do not seem to care about the education component. A HC degree is much more valuable than one from Illinois, for example.
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