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Post by efg72 on May 7, 2020 18:34:42 GMT -5
Well I will say after watching and listening to Chesney today I am more than impressed by his creativity, leadership and understanding of people!
With that said, let me take great liberty and paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen who told my occasional golf partner Dan Quayle ( at least in some crazy way) Nelson, as of today, has not come close to being Bob Chesney
A year from now, I hope I will concede my position and challenge BBC to be President of the Nelson fan club because he finally demonstrated an ability to coach, but as the Movie Gladiator closes, not yet, not yet
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Post by hchoops on May 7, 2020 18:58:19 GMT -5
Efg Where did you see and listen to Chesney today ?
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Post by lou on May 7, 2020 19:06:11 GMT -5
Efg Where did you see and listen to Chesney today ? This is a final reminder that as a supporter of Holy Cross Football through the Crusader Athletics Fund, we invite you to join us for a program update and Q&A with Head Coach Bob Chesney. The webinar will be held tomorrow, Thursday, May 7 at 1:00 p.m. EST.
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Post by hchoops on May 7, 2020 19:08:08 GMT -5
Thanks, Lou
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Post by efg72 on May 7, 2020 19:08:32 GMT -5
On the football webcast -he left me with faith in the future of the program.
Probably better in an email, but I believe(based on absolutely nothing but gut) MB and coaches have a plan to move all programs up a level which might give clarity to Nelson’s behavior and decisions this year-
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 7, 2020 20:25:51 GMT -5
Has the basketball webinar with Coach Nelson or Margarity been scheduled by Cara?
Funny, autocorrect keeps changing my spelling of Margarity to Margarita 😎. My iPad is being controlled by Jimmy Buffett.
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Post by efg72 on May 7, 2020 20:28:10 GMT -5
Not yet announced
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Post by hchoops on May 7, 2020 20:28:43 GMT -5
Her name is spelled Magarity Maybe you have had some margaritas
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 7, 2020 20:45:20 GMT -5
Her name is spelled Magarity Maybe you have had some margaritas Every time I type Magarity, My Jimmy Buffet controlled iPad still continues to change it Margarita. When I typed my original post, I just changed the a to a y missing the r that the iPad added. My bad for insufficient proofreading. However after the last several years of both programs, we should all be drinking Margaritas to forget the seasons that have transpired. Fortunately I have low tolerance of alcohol due to medication, so meditating and contemplating of better teams will have to suffice. My liver and kidneys are thankful. Any updates regarding future zoom webinars for the other programs?
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Post by longsuffering on May 7, 2020 20:53:08 GMT -5
On the football webcast -he left me with faith in the future of the program. Probably better in an email, but I believe(based on absolutely nothing but gut) MB and coaches have a plan to move all programs up a level which might give clarity to Nelson’s behavior and decisions this year- Chesney is an excellent communicator. College sports are a discretionary activity for fans, they benefit from being sold with enthusiasm. I am sure Nelson will become better and better at it as the team improves and he has more time in as a head coach. I would have an inclination to keep a low profile and work like a dog to turn things around if I was in his position, and that's what he appears to be doing.
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Post by efg72 on May 7, 2020 20:59:13 GMT -5
Don’t disagree with the suggested approach, but it is important to remember the American people and Holy Cross fans are very forgiving when people own their mistakes in judgement and performance and with the authenticity comes respect and trust. If he took responsibility for the nightmare he delivered, he would win many people over and gain some longer term goodwill-imo
instead we hear a ton of excuses from a few fans blaming the situation on other coaches and players-the record speaks for itself
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Post by hchoops on May 7, 2020 21:08:53 GMT -5
When did Nelson blame other coaches and players ?
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Post by efg72 on May 7, 2020 21:12:07 GMT -5
When did Nelson blame other coaches and players ? He hasn’t so I will edit to clarify.
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Post by longsuffering on May 7, 2020 21:24:51 GMT -5
OK, my post will come down - and this one as well after a few minutes. It's been ten minutes and it's still here. We don't operate on senior citizen time young man.😋
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Post by Xmassader on May 7, 2020 22:13:00 GMT -5
The Crusader coaches and their first winning season since I was a freshman in the fall of ‘66: Donohue-2nd season; Blaney-3rd season; Raynor-1st season; Willard-2nd season; Kearney-0 for 1; Brown-2nd season; Carmody-0 for 4 and HCBN-0 for 1and “on the clock”. The 3 most successful coaches in the last 54 yrs. have had their first winning season by their third season at the helm (two in their 2nd season). By that calculus, HCBN has two seasons to get there to convince me that he may have a tenure as (or more) successful than Blaney’s or Willard’s. I am rooting like heck for him have that first winning season in ‘20-‘21 or ‘21-‘22 but it remains to be seen whether the “addition by subtraction” approach that has taken place this past season and off season will enable him to get there. BBC seems to think so. Others are not convinced. For the sake of our collective sanity (if there is any left in this Covid-19 environment), I sure hope BBC is right.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 7, 2020 22:38:23 GMT -5
I believe that Coach Raynor would have been successful if he had have scholarships available during his tenure. Unfortunately the lost of players such as Walter Brown to BU, and others who would have come to HC with scholarships was detrimental to his coaching career.
I agree that successful coaches with proper and adequate resources from a college should be able to turn around their program by the third year. Blaney, Willard, Carter, Duffner, are prime examples. By year 4, if success is not being shown, it is time to move in a new direction. Once the dust is settled, I hope this is the vision that ADMB has for the other programs.
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Post by joe on May 8, 2020 7:59:38 GMT -5
This writer’s subject matter when it comes to HC is only the most obvious, low hanging fruit. He refuses to bend his knees as a journalist and collect actual information beyond all the old stories he’s learned by being an alum and whatever superficial information comes across his desk. He gets away with it because most of his readers do not follow or care at all about HC sports so he’s able to fill his column with blather and collect a check. He’s basically using his outdated although niche knowledge of HC athletics to put words down and appear to have intelligence on even the most nuanced of subjects, which then gives the appearance of having more credibility when it comes to mainstream topics. In short he thinks he smarter than his readership. And because his shtick is to generally be a negative carmudgeon, it’s all negative and never any positive. In this case, the reader is only made aware of the mass exodus of players but not the fact that the roster has already been replenished with possibly greater talent. And when he needs drama he accentuates the actual extent of HC athletics” “fall from grace.” For example, the language “Once vaunted?” Really? When, in the 1940s? As I understand it, in modern history we’ve been at best a solid mid major. I doubt he watched even a minute of HC hoops last season.
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Post by sader1970 on May 8, 2020 8:54:08 GMT -5
Classmate, XMass, makes a good point and I have a variation on that theme. Some here think that Carmody was a bad coach who succeeded a bad coach. Now, Nelson is succeeding Carmody.
There had been many comparisons early on about Carmody’s record vs. Brown’s record.
So, if Nelson is a better coach than his predecessor, how many seasons will it take, not to have a winning record, but to surpass Carmody’s?
He’s already in a very big hole.
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Post by timholycross on May 8, 2020 9:57:50 GMT -5
JTs second year at Georgetown, he lost to both 8-18 HC and D2 (although a good team) Assumption. Did a little better after that, I'd say.
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 8, 2020 10:26:29 GMT -5
Classmate, XMass, makes a good point and I have a variation on that theme. Some here think that Carmody was a bad coach who succeeded a bad coach. Now, Nelson is succeeding Carmody. There had been many comparisons early on about Carmody’s record vs. Brown’s record. So, if Nelson is a better coach than his predecessor, how many seasons will it take, not to have a winning record, but to surpass Carmody’s? He’s already in a very big hole. One huge detail left out of this equation: recruiting Milan was an exponentially better recruiter than Carmody, and therefore Carmody inherited a much better hand from MB compared to what Nelson has had to deal with from BC.
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Post by dadominate on May 8, 2020 10:49:36 GMT -5
Classmate, XMass, makes a good point and I have a variation on that theme. Some here think that Carmody was a bad coach who succeeded a bad coach. Now, Nelson is succeeding Carmody. There had been many comparisons early on about Carmody’s record vs. Brown’s record. So, if Nelson is a better coach than his predecessor, how many seasons will it take, not to have a winning record, but to surpass Carmody’s? He’s already in a very big hole. One huge detail left out of this equation: recruiting Milan was an exponentially better recruiter than Carmody, and therefore Carmody inherited a much better hand from MB compared to what Nelson has had to deal with from BC. another subjective - and naturally coming from you, biased/skewed - metric. on what grounds were the players that carmody inherited from brown better than the players nelson inherited from carmody? better scholarship offers? it may be true, but a comparison of the list of the players inherited that carmody inherited versus the players nelson inherited helpful to your cause and not just land this as another of a long line of biased bbc posts.
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Post by sader1970 on May 8, 2020 10:53:17 GMT -5
Ahhhh! Interesting. Since "modern" HC basketball history seems to start with Willard, here are some numbers: 1st Season:Ralph ('99-'00): 10-18 [ 35.7% winning percentage] Sean ('09-'10): 9-22 [ 29.0% winning percentage] Milan ('10-'11): 8-21 [ 27.6% winning percentage] Bill ('15-'16): 15-20 [ 42.9% winning percentage] Brett ('19-'20): 3-29 [ 9.4% winning percentage] 2nd Season:Ralph ('00-'01): 22-8 [ 73.3% winning percentage] Sean: Nada Milan: ('11-'12): 15-14 [ 51.7% winning percentage] Bill: ('16-'17): 15-17 [ 46.9% winning percentage] Brett: TBD So, Ralph went from 35.7% to 73.3% first to second year - +37.6. Milan improved from 27.6% to 51.7% first to second year +24.1Bill improved from 42.9% to 46.9% first to second year +4.0. Brett: TBD Brett is 12 wins down from Carmody after one season. Can we all agree that he better improve more than the 4 points Carmody improved from year 1 to year 2? That would only be winning 13%-14% of the games played this coming season. (if there is one! )
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Post by HC92 on May 8, 2020 10:57:12 GMT -5
JTs second year at Georgetown, he lost to both 8-18 HC and D2 (although a good team) Assumption. Did a little better after that, I'd say. I think JT’s third year was the year Ann McDermott left Georgetown for HC. The rest, as they say, is history.
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 8, 2020 12:20:29 GMT -5
One huge detail left out of this equation: recruiting Milan was an exponentially better recruiter than Carmody, and therefore Carmody inherited a much better hand from MB compared to what Nelson has had to deal with from BC. another subjective - and naturally coming from you, biased/skewed - metric. on what grounds were the players that carmody inherited from brown better than the players nelson inherited from carmody? better scholarship offers? it may be true, but a comparison of the list of the players inherited that carmody inherited versus the players nelson inherited helpful to your cause and not just land this as another of a long line of biased bbc posts. Homer go loooonngggg Anyone who would take group two over group one is just refusing to take their head out of the sand Sr | Eric Green | Sr | Cullen Hamilton | Jr | Matt Husek | Jr | Robert Champion | Jr | Malachi Alexander | Jr | Anthony Thompson | Fr | Jehyve Floyd | Fr | Patrick Benzan | Fr | Open Schollie (April) | Fr | Open Schollie (April) |
VS Sr | Clayton Le Sann | Jr | Matt Faw | Jr | Connor Niego | Jr | Austin Butler | Jr | Kyle Copeland | So | Blake Verbeek | Fr | Joe Pridgen | Fr | Drew Lowder | Fr | Ryan Wade |
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Post by dadominate on May 8, 2020 12:28:39 GMT -5
another subjective - and naturally coming from you, biased/skewed - metric. on what grounds were the players that carmody inherited from brown better than the players nelson inherited from carmody? better scholarship offers? it may be true, but a comparison of the list of the players inherited that carmody inherited versus the players nelson inherited helpful to your cause and not just land this as another of a long line of biased bbc posts. Homer go loooonngggg Anyone who would take group two over group one is just refusing to take their head out of the sand Sr | Eric Green | Sr | Cullen Hamilton | Jr | Matt Husek | Jr | Robert Champion | Jr | Malachi Alexander | Jr | Anthony Thompson | Fr | Jehyve Floyd | Fr | Patrick Benzan | Fr | Open Schollie (April) | Fr | Open Schollie (April) |
VS Sr | Clayton Le Sann | Jr | Matt Faw | Jr | Connor Niego | Jr | Austin Butler | Jr | Kyle Copeland | So | Blake Verbeek | Fr | Joe Pridgen | Fr | Drew Lowder | Fr | Ryan Wade |
as suspected, nothing on the scholarship offers or anything objective other than hot air. the book is closed on the players carmody inherited and is far from closed on the hc players that nelson inherited (those that remain or transferred), and it remains to be seen how these players do at hc or elsewhere. the only objective way to evaluate the claim you made at this point in time is other scholarship offers/recruiting rankings.
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