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Post by hchoops on May 5, 2020 9:14:39 GMT -5
I heard this is in today’s Globe under the title of the US women’s soccer pay topic Paywall for me
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Post by efg72 on May 5, 2020 9:22:39 GMT -5
dan shaughnessy Thoughts on a big loss for the US women’s soccer team and other sports topics
By Dan Shaughnessy Globe Columnist,Updated May 5, 2020, an hour ago
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Crystal Dunn (left) and Megan Rapinoe of the US during the 2019 World Cup.Alessandra Tarantino/Associated Press Picked-up pieces while wondering if there’s an old Gerry Cheevers mask I can use when I go to 7-Eleven to pick up the daily newspapers … ▪ In a big story that got small attention, Federal District Court Judge R. Gary Klausner quickly and decisively dismissed the equal pay complaint of the US women’s national soccer team Friday. The US women were the darlings of the sports media when they steamrolled all competition en route to winning the World Cup last summer, led by glory hog Megan Rapinoe (ever the charmer, she dropped an “MF-bomb” into a live microphone after the team’s parade through New York’s Canyon of Heroes). Advertisement
The US women also made a lot of noise about how they had been routinely dissed and underpaid by the US Soccer Federation, particularly in relation to the men’s national team. However, Klausner swatted down their complaint in Dikembe Mutombo fashion, writing, “The WNT has been paid more on both a cumulative and an average-per-game basis than the MNT” over the years covered in the case. Andrew Das in the New York Times characterized it as "a devastating rejection of the women’s case.'' Get Sports Headlines in your inbox The Globe's most recent sports headlines delivered to your inbox every morning.
Sign Up US Soccer had offered to settle the case for $9 million, but the strident players countered with $67 million. A negotiated settlement is still possible, but the US women have suffered a defeat akin to the 13-0 thrashing (replete with cartwheel celebrations) they delivered to Thailand last summer. As has been repeatedly and accurately noted, these players agreed to terms of their compensation in collective bargaining. The courts are not a tool to get you out of an agreement that you signed and later regretted. ▪ I am told that if you check out J.T. Watkins’s basement, you will find Rembrandt’s “The Storm on the Sea of Galilee,” last seen on the walls of the Gardner Museum in March 1990. Advertisement
▪ Cancellation of the 2020 Baseball Hall of Fame induction ceremonies means that we will have to wait another summer to honor the late Nick Cafardo. There is one side benefit however. Pushing the 2020 induction into 2021 means Curt Schilling won’t have the podium to himself when he darkens Cooperstown’s doorstep next summer. Schilling was possibly going to be the lone honoree in 2021, but now he’ll be joined by this year’s class of Derek Jeter, Ted Simmons, Larry Walker, and the late Marvin Miller.
▪ Holy Cross’s once-vaunted men’s basketball program is in shambles. The Crusaders went 3-29 last winter and now — with new NCAA regulations possibly allowing first-time transfers to become immediately eligible — eight players have requested transfers. None of the eight have identified where they are headed. Horrible optic.
▪ Newton North baseball coach Joe Siciliano remembers when “The Last Dance” director Jason Hehir was a lefthanded pitcher for the Tigers of the Bay State League. Hehir went on to pitch at Williams, where alumnus George Steinbrenner built the baseball field. According to Siciliano, "Jason had a great pickoff move. He once told me he pitched a game at Williams in front of Steinbrenner and hit the first batter he faced in the neck.''
Before he directed "The Last Dance," Newton native Jason Hehir was a pretty good high school pitcher.Courtesy of Thom Stukas. ▪ Speaking of "The Last Dance,'' I’m still waiting for three as-yet-untold stories: Advertisement
1. We know Michael Jordan hates Isiah Thomas and we’ve seen the famous non-handshake moment after the Bulls dethroned the Pistons in 1991. But we’ve yet to see the alleged Thomas-orchestrated freeze-out of Jordan at the 1985 NBA All-Star Game in Indianapolis. 2. Also missing thus far is Scottie Pippen’s shameless quitting episode at the end of a playoff game at Chicago in 1994. It happened while Jordan was away playing baseball and it showed Pippen’s true colors when he would not go into a tie game with 1.2 seconds left because Phil Jackson hadn’t called for him to take the shot. With Pippen on the bench, Toni Kukoc made the game-winner for the Bulls.
"The Last Dance" has made for some compelling TV.ANTONIO DICKEY 3. Jordan famously stopped speaking to Sports Illustrated after he appeared on an SI cover playing baseball under the headline, "Bag It, Michael!'' Former SI boss Mark Mulvoy, who wrote the headline, says, "I put Michael on the cover 22 times. Made millions for Michael, Nike, Gatorade. This one showed Michael flailing hopelessly at a pitch. I was told by someone very high in MLB that [White Sox owner Jerry] Reinsdorf intended to bring MJ up to the White Sox, play him at home one weekend — and sell out the park. We said he was out of his league. Michael has refused to talk with anyone from SI for more than 25 years. No way I’m watching his special now.'' ▪ Quiz: 1. Name the strike-breaking Red Sox infielder who made the ball club from the 1995 spring training roster of non-major leaguers. 2. Former Harvard men’s hockey coach Billy Cleary played a role in what Oscar-nominated film? (Answers below.) Advertisement
▪ I just love that Lenoir-Rhyne football schedule. Kyle Dugger goes from Mars Hill, Tusculum, Limestone, and Catawba to New York, Miami, Los Angeles, and Houston. Related: So, who is Kyle Dugger? The second-round draft pick’s origin story will drive his success with the Patriots ▪ New Hall of Famer Kevin Garnett is no fan of Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor, telling The Athletic, "I don’t want any dealings with Glen Taylor or Taylor Corp. . . . I don’t do business with snakes.'' Garnett claims he had an agreement with the late Flip Saunders (then T-Wolves coach) that stipulated he would become a part-owner of the team after he retired in exchange for waiving his no-trade clause. "When Flip died [2015], that understanding went with Flip,'' Garnett told The Athletic. "For that I won’t forgive Glen.''
Kevin Garnett and Glen Taylor are at odds.Brandon Dill Garnett and fellow Hall of Famer Bill Walton both wore No. 5 for the Celtics. ▪ Yankees manager Aaron Boone, who has been at the helm for all of two seasons, became New York’s longest-tenured head coach/manager when the Brooklyn Nets fired Kenny Atkinson in February. That’s a group that includes nine professional teams. ▪ Bob Kraft is not the first Boston team owner showered with the ridiculous pomposity of "Mr.'' Old-timers remember that it was always “Mr. Yawkey” when Thomas A. Yawkey owned the Red Sox. Never heard Ted Williams or Yaz refer to the boss as anything other than "Mr. Yawkey.'' Advertisement
▪ Ron Roenicke trivia: Roenicke’s brother Gary was a power-hitting left fielder for Earl Weaver’s Orioles in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Gary Roenicke hit 25 homers in 1979 and 19 for the world champion Orioles in 1983. He was acquired by Baltimore, along with Joe Kerrigan, in a deal with the Montreal Expos in December 1977. Ron Roenicke, two years younger than Gary, finished his big league career with the Cincinnati Reds in 1988, playing for manager Pete Rose. At 63, the Sox skipper is the fourth-oldest manager in the majors, trailing only Dusty Baker, Joe Maddon, and Brian Snitker.
Ron Roenicke and his family have deep roots in baseball.Jim Davis/Globe Staff ▪ Sox bench coach Jerry Narron is the Forrest Gump of the national pastime. He replaced Thurman Munson the day after Munson died in a plane crash in 1979, caught Donnie Moore the day Moore gave up a series-changing homer to Dave Henderson in the 1986 ALCS, and was Grady Little’s bench coach the night Grady left Pedro Martinez in too long. Narron also was on the Yankee bench for the Bucky Dent game in 1978. "I was a September callup, but never got into any games,'' he says. ▪ New books for quarantine reading: “A Farewell to Arms, Legs, and Jockstraps: A Sportswriter’s Memoir,” by Diane K. Shah. “24” by Willie Mays and John Shea. “Intangibles: Unlocking the Science and Soul of Team Chemistry” by Joan Ryan. ▪ J.T. Watkins hatched the idea for Lori Loughlin’s daughters to pose as crew athletes in order to gain admittance to USC. ▪ Quiz answers: 1. Brian Daubach; 2. "Love Story.''
Dan Shaughnessy is a Globe columnist. He can be reached at daniel.shaughnessy@globe.com. Follow him on Twitter @dan_shaughnessy. Show 80 comments
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Post by rgs318 on May 5, 2020 9:23:49 GMT -5
Old news and sloppy reporting. From his story: "None of the eight have identified where they are headed. Horrible optic." That is far from true, since the destination of some has been known for months now. As to his reporting..."horrible optic."
It makes it sound as though all 8 decided just recently to transfer. Is this intended to be deliberately misleading, or is he really so uninformed?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 5, 2020 9:27:27 GMT -5
Dan isn't wrong with this one.
Eight players leaving a program after a 3-29 season, which consisted of two of the most embarrassing losses in program history and is without question the worst season HC basketball has ever had, is a pretty bad optic. To the average college basketball fan, HC basketball is spiraling.
That said, Dan also does not have a clue that there are seemingly some nice pieces coming into the program, so better days may lie ahead.
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 5, 2020 9:44:49 GMT -5
Dan isn't wrong with this one. Eight players leaving a program after a 3-29 season, which consisted of two of the most embarrassing losses in program history and is without question the worst season HC basketball has ever had, is a pretty bad optic. To the average college basketball fan, HC basketball is spiraling. That said, Dan also does not have a clue that there are seemingly some nice pieces coming into the program, so better days may lie ahead. To the average college basketball fan, HC basketball is irrelevant. To those who actually want to pay a little more attention, Brett Nelson has done a tremendous job of turning a dumpster fire of a roster around in just 10 months and giving this program a fighting chance going forward.
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Post by Tom on May 5, 2020 9:46:40 GMT -5
Ignoring the 3-29 and those two horrific losses, I agree with Shaughnessy. Eight players leaving the program is a horrible optic. It doesn't matter why they left. Walk on Lovisolo wasn't going to see much playing time and is now getting good D-III minutes. I disagree with his decision from a life standpoint, but from strictly hoops, OK. But when discussing optics, people don't dig for the full story.
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Post by lou on May 5, 2020 10:01:25 GMT -5
Keep digging, I dont think we'll ever know the full story
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Post by dadominate on May 5, 2020 10:06:45 GMT -5
Ignoring the 3-29 and those two horrific losses, I agree with Shaughnessy. Eight players leaving the program is a horrible optic. It doesn't matter why they left. Walk on Lovisolo wasn't going to see much playing time and is now getting good D-III minutes. I disagree with his decision from a life standpoint, but from strictly hoops, OK. But when discussing optics, people don't dig for the full story. agree. the "success" of turning over the roster will only be evident by a return to winning basketball... and quickly. i believe it was sader1970 who first said it, but i would have more patience with the rebuild if it were a conventional roster turnover and the coach making the most of what he inherited while he rebuilds. but when the roster was completely upended in this manner (there is no denying it looks bad, especially for a patriot league school) i expect to see wins sooner rather than later. any fewer than 12 wins next year (meaning we would still likely lose 20 on a patriot league schedule) and one patriot league tournament win and i will be disappointed.
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Post by deep Purple on May 5, 2020 10:58:26 GMT -5
Things are headed in the right direction. It's just been officially confirmed.
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 5, 2020 11:02:58 GMT -5
Ignoring the 3-29 and those two horrific losses, I agree with Shaughnessy. Eight players leaving the program is a horrible optic. It doesn't matter why they left. Walk on Lovisolo wasn't going to see much playing time and is now getting good D-III minutes. I disagree with his decision from a life standpoint, but from strictly hoops, OK. But when discussing optics, people don't dig for the full story. agree. the "success" of turning over the roster will only be evident by a return to winning basketball... and quickly. i believe it was sader1970 who first said it, but i would have more patience with the rebuild if it were a conventional roster turnover and the coach making the most of what he inherited while he rebuilds. but when the roster was completely upended in this manner (there is no denying it looks bad, especially for a patriot league school) i expect to see wins sooner rather than later. any fewer than 12 wins next year (meaning we would still likely lose 20 on a patriot league schedule) and one patriot league tournament win and i will be disappointed. You continue to ignore that the starting point was a team who finished in last place in the Patriot League and lost its 3 best players, along with another senior. You continue to ignore that the starting point was a program that won 38.9% of its Patriot League games over the previous four seasons. But keep going ahead and digging your head in the sand to suit your agenda.
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Post by dadominate on May 5, 2020 11:06:55 GMT -5
agree. the "success" of turning over the roster will only be evident by a return to winning basketball... and quickly. i believe it was sader1970 who first said it, but i would have more patience with the rebuild if it were a conventional roster turnover and the coach making the most of what he inherited while he rebuilds. but when the roster was completely upended in this manner (there is no denying it looks bad, especially for a patriot league school) i expect to see wins sooner rather than later. any fewer than 12 wins next year (meaning we would still likely lose 20 on a patriot league schedule) and one patriot league tournament win and i will be disappointed. You continue to ignore that the starting point was a team who finished in last place in the Patriot League and lost its 3 best players, along with another senior. You continue to ignore that the starting point was a program that won 38.9% of its Patriot League games over the previous four seasons. But keep going ahead and digging your head in the sand to suit your agenda. ha! what, pray tell, is my agenda?!? i supported the nelson hire and still do, despite some red flags after the mass exodus and historically bad season that literally everybody except for you would concede. again, what is the agenda? this should be rich !
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 5, 2020 11:28:15 GMT -5
You continue to ignore that the starting point was a team who finished in last place in the Patriot League and lost its 3 best players, along with another senior. You continue to ignore that the starting point was a program that won 38.9% of its Patriot League games over the previous four seasons. But keep going ahead and digging your head in the sand to suit your agenda. ha! what, pray tell, is my agenda?!? i supported the nelson hire and still do, despite some red flags after the mass exodus and historically bad season that literally everybody except for you would concede. again, what is the agenda? this should be rich ! From the Official Crossports Dictionary: Agenda: Had by someone who disagrees Hater: Someone who disagrees with the coach and/or direction of the program. Therefore, by Crossports definition, you are a hater with an agenda.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 5, 2020 13:56:55 GMT -5
I’m optimistic about the future but I don’t see how anyone can credit coach Nelson with “turning around” the program after a 3-29 season. IF we win 10+ games next season and IF we have bright prospects for a .500+ season to follow then one could say that coach Nelson was beginning to turn around the program, emphasis on “beginning”
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Post by sader1970 on May 5, 2020 14:34:03 GMT -5
I think I have the same "agenda" that dado, probably KY and a number of posters have.
To wit, we either were happy or at least understood the retirement of Coach Carmody who despite winning a PL tournament championship (note: not the regular season championship, not ever even close) had an overall losing record; we were either pleased or hopeful that Brett Nelson's hiring would bring some wins and while probably not winning the PL championship certainly win a LOT more games than 3; that we would see development in the players and certainly a synergy that never seemed to happen under wither Coach Carmody or Coach Brown or Coach Kearney but which was clearly evident in almost every Coach Willard team (i.e.the overall results being better than the sum of the individual players' talents); that Coach Nelson would embody what AD Blossom said he wanted in a coach, any coach - "doing things right" and getting and retaining players that would be "transformative" not "transactional" (i.e. understood the value of Holy Cross being more than only basketball pursuits). The expectation is, or should be, that the basketball program be administered and managed according to the Holy Cross culture. We historically don't shoot the wounded.
As Dado pointed out, I was one, maybe the first (don't know, since I don't know what others posted when I was on hiatus?), to say that the extreme number of players transferring across the entire spectrum of players on the team (i.e. stars, starters, back-ups, walk-ons) was not a positive sign. One can make excuses for 1, 2, 3. 4, MAYBE, but we are closer to double-digit player losses. That is worrisome - at least.
Posters with much better basketball credentials than I have questioned Coach Nelson's in-game coaching decisions and use of players. All I know is, he lost more games in one season than any other HC basketball coach and lost to teams that were demonstrably weak by any measure. There did not appear to be any improvement as the season wound down and certainly, unlike Ralph's teams, the team was not better in the latter stages of the season than the were in the beginning.
My final point, made in a prior post, was that I give a coach 2-3 years to get the act together knowing that in fact the new coach has inherited players he didn't recruit and probably don't know his system (unless he was an assistant promoted to head coach). Coach Nelson essentially "burned that bridge" by losing or getting rid of almost all of Carmody's recruited players. Next season, his wholesale change of players are almost all his. So, I don't give him the "benefit" of "oh, they are inexperienced." And unlike some, I also reject that all these players we've lost to the portal were not D-I players.
All that said, I will be rooting for the success of the Crusader basketball team and will be happy if Coach Nelson succeeds. But anyone who thinks he's off to a good start hasn't been watching the same things I've been watching.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 5, 2020 14:45:27 GMT -5
I wonder if the program would all peaches & cream and "tuning around" if it was Nate Pine who hired a coach who just went 3-29 and had 8 players bounce.
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Post by timholycross on May 5, 2020 14:55:09 GMT -5
I really don't mind him dumping on the program, but I hate it when his paper (or him specifically) never follows up on anything. Especially now, not like there's that much for them to cover. Why not make a few phone calls/send some emails and write a story?
Thank goodness he and Sullivan on Friday didn't count Green, Grandison or Lovisolo.... one could say it was 11 and not 8.
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Post by rgs318 on May 5, 2020 14:56:10 GMT -5
CTP, For some posters...probably not. I haven't seen anyone say this is "all peaches and cream" so I can't figure out who you are describing who feel that. I am one who believes that BN is turning things around...as in starting the process. I believe the "turn-around" will show results over the next two years and by year 4 (in 3 more years) HC will be an annual contender (IMHO). I see HC getting 9-10 wins next year - perhaps more if things jell. But, as part of that I want to see continued improvement of the team as a whole.
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Post by possum on May 5, 2020 15:15:24 GMT -5
The program for the most part has been in shambles for the last 10 years. While the optics of so many players leaving is bad the reality is its a home run for the program. Nelson gets a chance to restart the program much earlier than would have been the case if these players, other than Pridgen, had hung around. I think the players he has brought in are far superior to those who left and now it's on Nelson to turn them into a cohesive winning team.
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Post by trimster on May 5, 2020 15:58:10 GMT -5
The team will be very inexperienced and to ignore that fact is ignoring the obvious. Hopefully the jr transfers will help the few returning players with bringing the rookies along. IMHO, ten wins with minimal if any transfer activity will be a step in the right direction.
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Post by HC92 on May 5, 2020 17:19:37 GMT -5
Also, I could not care less what Shaughnessy thinks about HC basketball.
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Post by longsuffering on May 5, 2020 18:51:27 GMT -5
I think I have the same "agenda" that dado, probably KY and a number of posters have. To wit, we either were happy or at least understood the retirement of Coach Carmody who despite winning a PL tournament championship (note: not the regular season championship, not ever even close) had an overall losing record; we were either pleased or hopeful that Brett Nelson's hiring would bring some wins and while probably not winning the PL championship certainly win a LOT more games than 3; that we would see development in the players and certainly a synergy that never seemed to happen under wither Coach Carmody or Coach Brown or Coach Kearney but which was clearly evident in almost every Coach Willard team (i.e.the overall results being better than the sum of the individual players' talents); that Coach Nelson would embody what AD Blossom said he wanted in a coach, any coach - "doing things right" and getting and retaining players that would be "transformative" not "transactional" (i.e. understood the value of Holy Cross being more than only basketball pursuits). The expectation is, or should be, that the basketball program be administered and managed according to the Holy Cross culture. We historically don't shoot the wounded. As Dado pointed out, I was one, maybe the first (don't know, since I don't know what others posted when I was on hiatus?), to say that the extreme number of players transferring across the entire spectrum of players on the team (i.e. stars, starters, back-ups, walk-ons) was not a positive sign. One can make excuses for 1, 2, 3. 4, MAYBE, but we are closer to double-digit player losses. That is worrisome - at least. Posters with much better basketball credentials than I have questioned Coach Nelson's in-game coaching decisions and use of players. All I know is, he lost more games in one season than any other HC basketball coach and lost to teams that were demonstrably weak by any measure. There did not appear to be any improvement as the season wound down and certainly, unlike Ralph's teams, the team was not better in the latter stages of the season than the were in the beginning. My final point, made in a prior post, was that I give a coach 2-3 years to get the act together knowing that in fact the new coach has inherited players he didn't recruit and probably don't know his system (unless he was an assistant promoted to head coach). Coach Nelson essentially "burned that bridge" by losing or getting rid of almost all of Carmody's recruited players. Next season, his wholesale change of players are almost all his. So, I don't give him the "benefit" of "oh, they are inexperienced." And unlike some, I also reject that all these players we've lost to the portal were not D-I players. All that said, I will be rooting for the success of the Crusader basketball team and will be happy if Coach Nelson succeeds. But anyone who thinks he's off to a good start hasn't been watching the same things I've been watching. "We historically don't shoot the wounded." captures Holy Cross culture well. While the spotlight shines on BN, there is no indication that ADMB disagrees with any "shootings" nor any indication the segment of TPTB that oversees the AD disagrees either. I kept looking for signs that ADMB was active in retention efforts on behalf of Holy Cross, especially with JP but couldn't pick up on any. ADMB did mention "we" helped some of the departed, which was good to hear. Perhaps a quote from the Big Tuna applies here: "If they want you to cook the dinner at least they should let you shop for some of the groceries." BN has the groceries he wants now he has to cook the dinner.
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Post by alcovefan on May 5, 2020 19:07:20 GMT -5
Let's hope for the best and by all means let's be optimistic about them. But let's be real: we don't know #@*&$~! about the incoming class until they get here and play.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 5, 2020 19:42:43 GMT -5
Can we review again the offers the incoming players received (knowing that is not a perfect indicator) ?
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Post by cmo on May 5, 2020 19:49:55 GMT -5
Also, I could not care less what Shaughnessy thinks about HC basketball. or anything
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Post by hchoops on May 5, 2020 20:03:54 GMT -5
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