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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 14:16:04 GMT -5
I love Jeff Oliver, but his son should not be a starting TB. Way too slow and stiff As it relates to our personnel at RB, I expect Oliver to start against UCONN based on his experience. That doesn’t necessarily mean he will get the most carries. I suspect we again start the season with a “RB by committee” approach and see how it settles out. From practice footage, looks like Soph Ezema is healthy and plays quicker/shiftier than our bigger RB’s. Again, we’ve only seen Oliver and to a lesser extent Abrams in multiple game situations. From a defensive perspective, there is absolutely no down hill threat with Oliver in the backfield with him lined up 6 yards behind of scrimmage, standing next to the QB. He has no breakaway speed which will put a tremendous amount of pressure on the QB to make perfect throws with LB's not having to play run (other than QB trying to run which you would spy Sluka on every play). To be honest, the overall talent pool in the PL outside of a few players has dropped dramatically. I believe Dobbs could play at the FBS level and if I was in his shoes, would do that now rather than having regrets later in life. Can you imagine if Steve Silva was playing in the current Patriot League? He only graduated 15 years ago.... Just think about that. It's absolutely amazing to think how much the college football landscape has shifted in such a short period of time.
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Post by DiMarz on Aug 22, 2021 14:45:11 GMT -5
Does anybody know the times of practice? Are they open to the public???
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Post by thecrossisback on Aug 22, 2021 14:58:41 GMT -5
I love Jeff Oliver, but his son should not be a starting TB. Way too slow and stiff I disagree with this. I think its nice to have power at the running back spot. The fast running backs are good for the PL but don't do much against much faster teams. RB take big hits need to gave some size. I do agree that when Oliver is running the ball the QB needs to be under center.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 22, 2021 15:06:33 GMT -5
Cripes! You're not old enough to play this "back in my day" stuff! One of my football classmate buddies thinks our guys ('67-'69) could destroy even Dom Randolph's team and having seen both, he's just nuts (and biased) all because "we weren't D-IAA" (because there was no such thing in our day). A HUGE lineman in my day was Bill Moncevicz who probably weighed about 260 lbs. While he was a monster and worked out like crazy and was almost my roommate in sophomore year, the size, conditioning and speed now is head and shoulders over then. I'd take Kalif Raymond, Dom Cozier, Asante, Dobbs and player-for-player the current team over those guys and probably many of the guys on the glory years under Carter and Duffner.
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Post by trimster on Aug 22, 2021 15:23:23 GMT -5
Cripes! You're not old enough to play this "back in my day" stuff! One of my football classmate buddies thinks our guys ('67-'69) could destroy even Dom Randolph's team and having seen both, he's just nuts (and biased) all because "we weren't D-IAA" (because there was no such thing in our day). A HUGE lineman in my day was Bill Moncevicz who probably weighed about 260 lbs. While he was a monster and worked out like crazy and was almost my roommate in sophomore year, the size, conditioning and speed now is head and shoulders over then. I'd take Kalif Raymond, Dom Cozier, Asante, Dobbs and player-for-player the current team over those guys and probably many of the guys on the glory years under Carter and Duffner. If I were a betting man, I'd take the the Carter/Duffner era teams six days a week and twice on Sunday, over the Chesney squads. The C/D era teams had many very good football players on them. It would have been very interesting to see the Duffner teams face a schedule like those from the 60's and 70's. The Duffner teams were rarely challenged by opponents.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 22, 2021 15:30:46 GMT -5
Maybe, Trim, but let's see how Chesney's boys do this season.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 22, 2021 15:51:28 GMT -5
The game has changed a number of times over the years, today players are bigger, stronger, and faster, development tools and resources are available to coaches and players that weren't available to those who played in the last century,, and unfortunately the game is much more of a commercial enterprise today than in the past.
So to me it is really tough to evaluate and compare players and teams from different eras. It is, however, easier to recognize what great looks like, at the moment, and even over the years.
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Post by Ignutz on Aug 22, 2021 16:08:01 GMT -5
So now that Media day has passed and with just over 3 weeks till kick-off, I thought I would share some observations and pontificate about a few things to watch during the rest of camp. This post will just cover our Offensive unit and assumes all are healthy heading into Week 1… (Defense to follow separately) Quarterback: I think most observers expect Sluka to be the starter and while he likely will be and is our best all-around athlete at QB, I would expect to see Siderman play against UCONN as well. It sounds like Coach Ches and Coach Roper have playbooks tailored to both player’s strengths and the rotation could even be situational at times. Look for Sluka with a large RPO centered playbook and Siderman with a more traditional West Coast package. It’s probably too early to say if and when Frosh Joe P gets any burn as it likely depends on the performance of the first two. Running back: Seniors Oliver and Abrams return having the most experience with Oliver likely to be the starter. I’m sure others are curious about the prospects of JR. Jordan Forrest who DNP in the Spring but coaches were high on his Freshman year in 2019. It does look like Junior Tyler Purdy is working in with the RB’s (still listed at DB) so expect more “Purdy packages”. Soph Ezema DNP in the Spring. Wide Receiver: Likely our most talented and deepest position on the offensive roster. I would expect the three starters to be Asante, Ayeni and Gilliam. Next three up would most likely be Sophomore’s Shipman and Corker with Senior Jewell adding great depth. One wild card is Junior Dominik Thomas who also showed great potential as a freshman in 2019 but fought injuries the latter part of that season and DNP in the Spring due to injury. TE/H-back/Fullback: Sean Morris is the returning starter and the only other player to see the field was SR Alex Sloan. As I and others have noticed, Senior Cullen Honohan is still listed at LB but has clearly switched to this position and will likely provide much needed depth here. Offensive Line: On the interior, Senior Nick Olaska will anchor the group at Center with SR Jack McCauley as his back-up. Returning starter 5th yr SR John Brekke will likely remain at LG. The other guard looks to be JR. CJ Hanson. Hanson rotated with Jack Bowler last year even before Bowler’s injury prevented him from playing against SDSU (Hanson also has the frame and athleticism to play OT) As others have noticed O-Line Coach Smith likes to rotate lineman and I expect JR Daddona and Soph Eric Schon to provide that depth as first IL’s up. At OT we return JR. Pat McMurtrie who looked very good as a Soph in the Spring. The other Tackle spot (to replace Brian Foley) should be an open battle between SR Grady Smith (who got hurt first series of the SDSU game but appears to be healthy), Soph Luke Newman (who played a fair amount off the bench in the spring and has great feet/athleticism and 5th year Senior Mike Pizziketti. Feel free to opine on anything you are watching or that I might have missed…Go Purp! I love Jeff Oliver, but his son should not be a starting TB. Way too slow and stiff He didn’t look slow and stiff in Q4 at Fordham in November of ‘19!
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Post by princetoncrusader on Aug 22, 2021 16:32:51 GMT -5
Yes saw that live. He had a beautiful 40+ yard run straight up the middle in the 4th quarter to ice the game.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 22, 2021 16:38:25 GMT -5
I guess he gets those long runs through some kind of deception where the defenders don't think he has the football?
Seriously--he's not Dom Cozier speed-wise but he is not slow footed
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 22, 2021 16:40:21 GMT -5
Lockbaum, Wiley, et al have their records to prove that on a 100 yard field for 60 minutes against comparable schedules (Army vs UConn, William and Mary vs Monmouth, etc.) they were better football players than the HC teams who have followed them so far. That comparison eliminates average heights and weights and limits it to football skill.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 22, 2021 16:45:16 GMT -5
I guess he gets those long runs through some kind of deception where the defenders don't think he has the football? Seriously--he's not Dom Cozier speed-wise but he is not slow footed And there's no reason to think he hasn't been continually improving in the nuanced skill areas like following blockers, judging angles, leverage, etc. and isn't ready for his most productive season yet.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 22, 2021 16:55:44 GMT -5
Oliver brings a lot to the table and I’m very glad he’s on our side. He also has a ridiculous GPA and is poised for success in whatever he does after HC.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 22, 2021 16:56:36 GMT -5
I guess he gets those long runs through some kind of deception where the defenders don't think he has the football? Seriously--he's not Dom Cozier speed-wise but he is not slow footed That was a nice 40+ yard run. He gained 89 of our 310 rushing yards v Fordham that day. (Definitely not slow-footed for a PL back and definitely not Dom Cozier either).
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Post by hcpride on Aug 22, 2021 17:11:34 GMT -5
Lockbaum, Wiley, et al have their records to prove that on a 100 yard field for 60 minutes against comparable schedules (Army vs UConn, William and Mary vs Monmouth, etc.) they were better football players than the HC teams who have followed them so far. That comparison eliminates average heights and weights and limits it to football skill. I don't think anybody disagrees - those Carter players (Raquet, Kozerski, Muldoon, Fenerty, McGoverns, etc.) and Carter recruits (Lockbaum, Kelleher, Wiley, etc.) were something else. (This is not to slight Duffner who was a great coach but perhaps handicapped by the Colonial/PL when it came to recruiting and strength of schedule v Carter)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 17:16:44 GMT -5
The game has changed a number of times over the years, today players are bigger, stronger, and faster, development tools and resources are available to coaches and players that weren't available to those who played in the last century,, and unfortunately the game is much more of a commercial enterprise today than in the past. So to me it is really tough to evaluate and compare players and teams from different eras. It is, however, easier to recognize what great looks like, at the moment, and even over the years. I definitely agree. I think college football reached the pinnacle of overall talent in the early 2000s, prior to the introduction of CTE and the dangers surrounding the sport. Many of the top PL and Ivy League players from that time would now be playing for FBS schools... Ryan Fitzpatrick would have NEVER attended Harvard in 2021. Unfortunately, the PL and Ivy League have been left behind. In context of this post, I view the Duffner years as the highest level of overall talent at HC since it was the closest to an FBS caliber school playing an FCS schedule.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 22, 2021 17:27:45 GMT -5
Harvard had 8 guys in the NFL last season--that's pretty good for a team from a conference that has been left behind
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 17:32:06 GMT -5
I was thinking about this the other day. Brian Hall who played for a below average HC in 2002, would be a man among boys in the 2020 Patriot League.
Degenhardt's career stats place him as the second worst QB in the history of Holy Cross and he still earned 2nd Team All Patriot League. He was a Senior Captain and got beat out by a true freshmen.... a freshmen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 17:43:52 GMT -5
Harvard had 8 guys in the NFL last season--that's pretty good for a team from a conference that has been left behind I wasn’t aware of that. Impressive. What years did players graduate?
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Post by hcpride on Aug 22, 2021 17:54:16 GMT -5
Harvard had 8 guys in the NFL last season--that's pretty good for a team from a conference that has been left behind No doubt the Ivies, especially HYP, bring in a good number of 3 (occasionally a 4) star recruits each year. I’m always surprised when folks don’t know that. “Currently, there are 13 active Ivy League alumni in the NFL, hailing from Harvard, Penn, Yale, Princeton, and Cornell.Jan 27, 2021” www.thedp.com/article/2021/01/ivy-league-nfl-check-in-penn-quakers-football
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Post by efg72 on Aug 22, 2021 18:10:19 GMT -5
The game has changed a number of times over the years, today players are bigger, stronger, and faster, development tools and resources are available to coaches and players that weren't available to those who played in the last century,, and unfortunately the game is much more of a commercial enterprise today than in the past. So to me it is really tough to evaluate and compare players and teams from different eras. It is, however, easier to recognize what great looks like, at the moment, and even over the years. I definitely agree. I think college football reached the pinnacle of overall talent in the early 2000s, prior to the introduction of CTE and the dangers surrounding the sport. Many of the top PL and Ivy League players from that time would now be playing for FBS schools... Ryan Fitzpatrick would have NEVER attended Harvard in 2021. Unfortunately, the PL and Ivy League have been left behind. In context of this post, I view the Duffner years as the highest level of overall talent at HC since it was the closest to an FBS caliber school playing an FCS schedule. I disagree in part- I was not a fan of the PL, but have come to accept it for football, and will go to my grave feeling we betrayed the tradition of HC basketball for never understanding or committing to theappropriate path forward. With the the gridiron I think the football at the ivy/patriot league is fine, not necessarily declined over the past 30 years, but not improved overall. I can remember watching HC games for a lengthy period of time say 2000-2018 and think to myself the overall talent and football IQ dropped dramatically- please know this is a generalization and please if you played then don't take offense. Going back to the 60s and 70s, for where the game was at that moment in time, those who participated as fans and players in the IVY and maybe those current PL teams, experienced a much better product The top of the Ivy league and Eastern Football was good-not great but very enjoyable to play and watch- hepatitis sort of screwed the pooch and sent us in a different direction
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 23:21:53 GMT -5
Poor reporter dresses like he gets paid in coupons. :/
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Post by hc87 on Aug 22, 2021 23:55:32 GMT -5
It's very difficult to judge teams from different eras for a host of reasons....but of course I'll try . The mid to late 60s and 70s HC teams were "University" i.e the top level of college football but really in name only. There were some great players and decent teams but we were really "University" level in name only, most of our schedules then had at least half Ivy/Yankee Conference opponents or other low D1 level opponents like Villanova, Colgate etc. The "82-'91 teams were probably situated at the best level for a school like Holy Cross. Very good 1-AA teams but not playing at the level of earlier Crusader teams. The '92-'12 teams were mostly hamstrung by PL rules (non-scholly etc.) and we mostly labored during this era. It's really only during the last few years that we have approximated where we were during the Carter/Duffner era. Obviously guys are bigger.stronger, faster today than they were in say 1968....but relative to other schools we are getting back to the level we should be at, that is a very strong FCS program for the size of our school etc.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 23, 2021 0:41:25 GMT -5
It's very difficult to judge teams from different eras for a host of reasons....but of course I'll try . The mid to late 60s and 70s HC teams were "University" i.e the top level of college football but really in name only. There were some great players and decent teams but we were really "University" level in name only, most of our schedules then had at least half Ivy/Yankee Conference opponents or other low D1 level opponents like Villanova, Colgate etc. The "82-'91 teams were probably situated at the best level for a school like Holy Cross. Very good 1-AA teams but not playing at the level of earlier Crusader teams. The '92-'12 teams were mostly hamstrung by PL rules (non-scholly etc.) and we mostly labored during this era. It's really only during the last few years that we have approximated where we were during the Carter/Duffner era. Obviously guys are bigger.stronger, faster today than they were in say 1968....but relative to other schools we are getting back to the level we should be at, that is a very strong FCS program for the size of our school etc. And Wofford has nine postseason victories with about 60 percent of the HC enrollment. Maybe someday HC can be strong like them on the field.
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