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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 26, 2021 12:49:56 GMT -5
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Post by spenser on Dec 26, 2021 13:25:15 GMT -5
Extensive Covid cases in the BC team.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 26, 2021 13:42:25 GMT -5
Phew! My heartfelt, honest condolences to our fellow Jesuit school.Hope they are safe & sound. Happy Holidays!
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 26, 2021 13:51:49 GMT -5
Reasons include opt-outs and transfers reducing the size of the roster - - have the details been released and did Hafley ask some 5th years to find a home foe ‘22?
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Post by gks on Dec 26, 2021 15:08:03 GMT -5
Are we to assume that the vast, vast majority of BC cases are asymptomatic?
Will the positive cases be allowed to fly home with rest of team?
Vanderbilt basketball was in Hawaii for a tournament where Stanford pulled out of the final game due to COVID after playing two nights earlier.
IMO this whole COVID and cancellations needs to be readdressed. We're not talking about older people with pre-existing conditions. We're talking extremely healthy young adults.
Opt outs and transfers are a whole other issue.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 26, 2021 15:11:48 GMT -5
Phew! My heartfelt, honest condolences to our fellow Jesuit school.Hope they are safe & sound. Happy Holidays! My condolences also. But this also provides a very favorable comparison for HC FB having seen their season through to completion with two well played tightly contested post season playoff games after an undefeated league season. That's something BC, despite the higher revenues and profile of the ACC is unlikely to achieve in the foreseeable future. It will be a challenge for both FCS finalists to stay healthy enough to play in January. I assume the first team that is forced to cancel means the other finalist becomes national champion by default, or would the game be cancelled with no national champion for the 2021 fall season if one team has to cancel?
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 26, 2021 15:36:25 GMT -5
Are we to assume that the vast, vast majority of BC cases are asymptomatic? Will the positive cases be allowed to fly home with rest of team? Vanderbilt basketball was in Hawaii for a tournament where Stanford pulled out of the final game due to COVID after playing two nights earlier. IMO this whole COVID and cancellations needs to be readdressed. We're not talking about older people with pre-existing conditions. We're talking extremely healthy young adults. Opt outs and transfers are a whole other issue. Whatever quarantine arrangement for college students that protects the most vulnerable in society the most is the best imo, especially since college students have so much technology available they can complete a five or ten day isolation without falling behind their studies. Extracurricular activities like sports are a secondary consideration imo. Omicron is so transmissible isn't it dangerous to let non symptomatic but likely infectious players travel and play instead of being in isolation? At least until we get a handle on whether Omicron is as benign at causing hospitalization and death in the vulnerable as we hope it will turn out to be. Opt outs are essentially a non-issue in FCS, which is refreshing. 1) Striving for an NCAA national championship has so much more gravitas than a forgettable minor bowl and 2) Pro prospects in FCS generally have more to gain than lose by playing in the post season.
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Post by gks on Dec 26, 2021 15:40:32 GMT -5
Are we to assume that the vast, vast majority of BC cases are asymptomatic? Will the positive cases be allowed to fly home with rest of team? Vanderbilt basketball was in Hawaii for a tournament where Stanford pulled out of the final game due to COVID after playing two nights earlier. IMO this whole COVID and cancellations needs to be readdressed. We're not talking about older people with pre-existing conditions. We're talking extremely healthy young adults. Opt outs and transfers are a whole other issue. Whatever quarantine arrangement for college students that protects the most vulnerable in society the most is the best imo, especially since college students have so much technology available they can complete a five or ten day isolation without falling behind their studies. Extracurricular activities like sports are a secondary consideration imo. Omicron is so transmissible isn't it dangerous to let non symptomatic but likely infectious players travel and play instead of being in isolation? At least until we get a handle on whether Omicron is as benign at causing hospitalization and death in the vulnerable as we hope it will turn out to be. Opt outs are essentially a non-issue in FCS, which is refreshing. 1) Striving for an NCAA national championship has so much more gravitas than a forgettable minor bowl and 2) Pro prospects in FCS generally have more to gain than lose by playing in the post season. I'm sorry but extracurriculars are not secondary. Kids mental states are not secondary. I have a high schooler and a college student that were locked away for extended periods of time for no reason. Suicide rates in teenagers are real. We've done enough damage to them. Football is important. These are healthy kids. Just because you test positive you are not sick. That is ancient mentality that needs to stop so our teenagers and young adults can have their lives back.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 26, 2021 15:53:15 GMT -5
BC seems to have had a couple of issues, plus the Covid protocols. The NFL simply (and safely) stopped asymptomatic regular testing as a way to avoid their own positive test protocols. Perhaps the NCAA will do the same going forward.
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Post by gks on Dec 26, 2021 16:04:48 GMT -5
BC seems to have had a couple of issues, plus the Covid protocols. The NFL simply (and safely) stopped asymptomatic regular testing as a way to avoid their own positive test protocols. Perhaps the NCAA will do the same going forward. Other than sports leagues....and I'll throw NCAA teams in this too, are there any other employers that test vaccinated people over and over and over and over again?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 26, 2021 16:44:21 GMT -5
BC seems to have had a couple of issues, plus the Covid protocols. The NFL simply (and safely) stopped asymptomatic regular testing as a way to avoid their own positive test protocols. Perhaps the NCAA will do the same going forward. Other than sports leagues....and I'll throw NCAA teams in this too, are there any other employers that test vaccinated people over and over and over and over again? Private colleges and universities in Massachusetts. Several run their own testing labs, others use the Broad Institute. Probably not your school, though. Massachusetts college and university testing in Massachusetts constitutes over a third of all PCR testing in MA.: 12.5 million tests to date.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 26, 2021 17:09:21 GMT -5
Virginia pulls out of the Fenway Bowl. This inaugural bowl, at Fenway Pahk, cancelled for the second year in a row. A number of Virginia players were symptomatic on Dec 24th, more players tested positive on Dec 25, the day the team was originally supposed to fly to Boston. Entire team was tested on Dec 25, after the handful of symptomatic cases appeared the day earlier.. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/12/26/virginia-cavaliers-withdraw-fenway-bowl/
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 26, 2021 17:40:42 GMT -5
Whatever quarantine arrangement for college students that protects the most vulnerable in society the most is the best imo, especially since college students have so much technology available they can complete a five or ten day isolation without falling behind their studies. Extracurricular activities like sports are a secondary consideration imo. Omicron is so transmissible isn't it dangerous to let non symptomatic but likely infectious players travel and play instead of being in isolation? At least until we get a handle on whether Omicron is as benign at causing hospitalization and death in the vulnerable as we hope it will turn out to be. Opt outs are essentially a non-issue in FCS, which is refreshing. 1) Striving for an NCAA national championship has so much more gravitas than a forgettable minor bowl and 2) Pro prospects in FCS generally have more to gain than lose by playing in the post season. I'm sorry but extracurriculars are not secondary. Kids mental states are not secondary. I have a high schooler and a college student that were locked away for extended periods of time for no reason. Suicide rates in teenagers are real. We've done enough damage to them. Football is important. These are healthy kids. Just because you test positive you are not sick. That is ancient mentality that needs to stop so our teenagers and young adults can have their lives back. The big question for me is when a strong healthy young adult tests positive but has no symptoms, are they still infectious and capable of transmitting omnicron to others which can start the chain reaction to harming vulnerable people? If yes, when does the "men and women for others" slogan override sports participation for ten days or hopefully soon five days like for healthcare workers? Or has the moral equation changed now that vax and booster shots are available to everybody over five and the risk of death is much lower for fully vaccinated people? I would say it has so you're right, all policies should be reviewed and fine tuned.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 26, 2021 19:22:43 GMT -5
Yet another thread ruined with nothing but virus talk...
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Post by hcpride on Dec 26, 2021 19:29:08 GMT -5
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 26, 2021 19:38:04 GMT -5
^ and apparently the usual suspects here who are among the set that wears a mask when all alone in their car can't resist expounding on it in every single thread.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 26, 2021 20:06:09 GMT -5
Phew! My heartfelt, honest condolences to our fellow Jesuit school.Hope they are safe & sound. Happy Holidays! My condolences also. But this also provides a very favorable comparison for HC FB having seen their season through to completion with two well played tightly contested post season playoff games after an undefeated league season. That's something BC, despite the higher revenues and profile of the ACC is unlikely to achieve in the foreseeable future. It will be a challenge for both FCS finalists to stay healthy enough to play in January. I assume the first team that is forced to cancel means the other finalist becomes national champion by default, or would the game be cancelled with no national champion for the 2021 fall season if one team has to cancel? BC was able to get through last season without a positive test. (They made a big deal out of that for some unknown reason). HC played two regular seasons games in the spring before the PL Championship game and the playoff game.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 26, 2021 20:07:13 GMT -5
It is interesting that it is three ACC programs to cancel today. Maybe the standards with the ACC are higher than the rest of the conferences.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 26, 2021 20:24:16 GMT -5
It is interesting that it is three ACC programs to cancel today. Maybe the standards with the ACC are higher than the rest of the conferences. Or they have more positive tests. Today.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 26, 2021 20:54:57 GMT -5
Is ECU or SMU (more likely) heading to El Paso?
The UVA and Miami situations also include the coach-just-got-fired factor.
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Post by jkh67 on Dec 26, 2021 21:08:47 GMT -5
Phew! My heartfelt, honest condolences to our fellow Jesuit school.Hope they are safe & sound. Happy Holidays! With all due respect to my dearly beloved 1967 classmate, a perpetual extended middle finger to our brethren...Jesuit or otherwise...in Chestnut Hill. That having been gotten off my chest, can we just forget about those dudes, once and for all? The reality is that our two Jebbie-founded institutions have gone our separate ways in many different areas, including (but not limited to) sports. The additional reality is the obvious one that we can no longer compete with them athletically. So, let's just move on...and hope that they continue to struggle in the lower echelons of the ACC. F**k the buggers. Go Cross, baby!
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 27, 2021 0:47:26 GMT -5
Fenway Park bills itself as "America's Most Beloved Ballpark." All forty-two paid tickets to "America's Most Beloved Bowl Game" have now been refunded. Time to end all of these made for TV bowl games and institute expanded NCAA play-offs for FBS football like the other levels of FB and other sports?
That would also eliminate 6-6 teams "earning" a post season game.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 27, 2021 1:04:52 GMT -5
In some of these bowl games, football has its equivalent of the basketball College Insiders Tournament or the College Basketball Invitational
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 27, 2021 1:27:03 GMT -5
Fenway Park bills itself as "America's Most Beloved Ballpark." All forty-two paid tickets to "America's Most Beloved Bowl Game" have now been refunded. Time to end all of these made for TV bowl games and institute expanded NCAA play-offs for FBS football like the other levels of FB and other sports? That would also eliminate 6-6 teams "earning" a post season game. ESPN made up bowl games...they have a department that all they do is run events from football to basketball to softball. espnevents.com/
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Post by timholycross on Dec 27, 2021 7:34:31 GMT -5
...at this point, if there are more "bowl eligible" (the biggest crock of sh*tt going) teams than bowls, they simply create another one to fill the void in that particular year (the bowl in Hawaii which got called off was such a bowl). Crazy.
Compare the opening rounds of a 12, 16, 24 or 32 team playoff (don't count the semis or finals because they exist now) to the 40 plus non-tournament bowl games. Which would generate more total revenue? Pretty clear what the answer is. And if the FCS teams with smaller rosters can play as many as 5 post season games, so can the bigs.
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