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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 27, 2021 8:12:47 GMT -5
...at this point, if there are more "bowl eligible" (the biggest crock of sh*tt going) teams than bowls, they simply create another one to fill the void in that particular year (the bowl in Hawaii which got called off was such a bowl). Crazy.
Compare the opening rounds of a 12, 16, 24 or 32 team playoff (don't count the semis or finals because they exist now) to the 40 plus non-tournament bowl games. Which would generate more total revenue? Pretty clear what the answer is. And if the FCS teams with smaller rosters can play as many as 5 post season games, so can the bigs. I'm not sure that's accurate. I don't believe that impromptu bowl games are created on short notice. New bowl games, like the one at Fenway, are usually announced close to a year in advance in order to cement conference tie-ins and corporate sponsors. If there aren't enough bowl eligible teams to fill a bowl slate, 5-7 teams will start to get invited. This happened at least once pre-COVID, I don't remember the exact year. 2016 or 2017 IIRC. And this year 5-7 Rutgers was invited to the Gator Bowl obviously to backfill a COVID cancellation. In the past, the only sub-.500 teams that went bowling were those that won their conference but managed to still have a losing overall record. This was very rare -- North Texas did it one year during the early days of the Sun Belt becoming a I-A conference. William & Mary also participated in the 1970 Tangerine Bowl after winning the Southern Conference with a 5-6 overall record (random, but I know this because my dad went to W&M in the '70's -- he was still in HS but growing up in VA, it was a really big deal back then for an in-state team to go to any bowl so everyone watched it).
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Post by hcpride on Dec 27, 2021 8:24:40 GMT -5
Interestingly, University of Miami pulled the plug on the Sun Bowl last night and the University of Washington is literally on site in El Paso, Texas. Awaiting news regarding who their opponent will be for Friday’s game. One volunteer has already emerged: The coach at Stephen F. Austin tweeted tonight that his team is ready to roll if called upon. The Lumberjacks, located due east of Waco in Nacogdoches, Texas, went 8-4 this season, losing in overtime in the FCS playoffs to Eric Morris' Incarnate Word team in the first round. The 'Jacks played one Power 5 team this season, losing 28-22 to Texas Tech in Week Two. 247sports.com/college/washington-state/Article/Pat-Chun-WSU-working-with-Pac-12-and-Sun-Bowl-to-find-replacement-for-Canes-179151727/Amp/The current covid protocols (especially regarding the serial asymptomatic testing of healthy college athletes) are getting some much needed scrutiny. The bowl situation may have sharpened this focus.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 27, 2021 8:24:46 GMT -5
Rutgers was offered a "fill-in" spot when a bowl team cancelled this year due to Covid protocols. Local press (the North Jersey Newspapers) had editorials saying the team should not go and should refuse the invite since this year's team was clearly not "bowl quality."
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Post by hcpride on Dec 27, 2021 8:29:18 GMT -5
Rutgers was offered a "fill-in" spot when a bowl team cancelled this year due to Covid protocols. Local press (the North Jersey Newspapers) had editorials saying the team should not go and should refuse the invite since this year's team was clearly not "bowl quality." My first thought was Rutgers getting caught up in the current and questionable Covid protocols (for healthy college football players) given the proximity to the NYC area (where it seems everyone is now testing positive).
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 27, 2021 13:06:12 GMT -5
Interestingly, University of Miami pulled the plug on the Sun Bowl last night and the University of Washington is literally on site in El Paso, Texas. Awaiting news regarding who their opponent will be for Friday’s game. One volunteer has already emerged: The coach at Stephen F. Austin tweeted tonight that his team is ready to roll if called upon. The Lumberjacks, located due east of Waco in Nacogdoches, Texas, went 8-4 this season, losing in overtime in the FCS playoffs to Eric Morris' Incarnate Word team in the first round. The 'Jacks played one Power 5 team this season, losing 28-22 to Texas Tech in Week Two. 247sports.com/college/washington-state/Article/Pat-Chun-WSU-working-with-Pac-12-and-Sun-Bowl-to-find-replacement-for-Canes-179151727/Amp/The current covid protocols (especially regarding the serial asymptomatic testing of healthy college athletes) are getting some much needed scrutiny. The bowl situation may have sharpened this focus. Think of how many people in the NFL are COVID positive and not showing symptoms with how many that are symptomatic and sitting out. The asymptomatic people are spreading it through their communities from family to friends.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 27, 2021 13:07:14 GMT -5
...at this point, if there are more "bowl eligible" (the biggest crock of sh*tt going) teams than bowls, they simply create another one to fill the void in that particular year (the bowl in Hawaii which got called off was such a bowl). Crazy. Compare the opening rounds of a 12, 16, 24 or 32 team playoff (don't count the semis or finals because they exist now) to the 40 plus non-tournament bowl games. Which would generate more total revenue? Pretty clear what the answer is. And if the FCS teams with smaller rosters can play as many as 5 post season games, so can the bigs. The NCAA Basketball tourneys last spring saw some cancellations....
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 27, 2021 14:50:55 GMT -5
Rutgers was offered a "fill-in" spot when a bowl team cancelled this year due to Covid protocols. Local press (the North Jersey Newspapers) had editorials saying the team should not go and should refuse the invite since this year's team was clearly not "bowl quality." My first thought was Rutgers getting caught up in the current and questionable Covid protocols (for healthy college football players) given the proximity to the NYC area (where it seems everyone is now testing positive). Omricon spreads so easily that if everyone in the country had access to a test and got tested every day, we'd probably all test positive at some point over the next 2 months.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 27, 2021 14:58:00 GMT -5
My first thought was Rutgers getting caught up in the current and questionable Covid protocols (for healthy college football players) given the proximity to the NYC area (where it seems everyone is now testing positive). Omricon spreads so easily that if everyone in the country had access to a test and got tested every day, we'd probably all test positive at some point over the next 2 months. ...variant spreads faster than when someone has mild (or worse) symptoms and considers taking a test. So your comment is fairly accurate.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 27, 2021 14:59:25 GMT -5
...at this point, if there are more "bowl eligible" (the biggest crock of sh*tt going) teams than bowls, they simply create another one to fill the void in that particular year (the bowl in Hawaii which got called off was such a bowl). Crazy.
Compare the opening rounds of a 12, 16, 24 or 32 team playoff (don't count the semis or finals because they exist now) to the 40 plus non-tournament bowl games. Which would generate more total revenue? Pretty clear what the answer is. And if the FCS teams with smaller rosters can play as many as 5 post season games, so can the bigs. I'm not sure that's accurate. I don't believe that impromptu bowl games are created on short notice. New bowl games, like the one at Fenway, are usually announced close to a year in advance in order to cement conference tie-ins and corporate sponsors. If there aren't enough bowl eligible teams to fill a bowl slate, 5-7 teams will start to get invited. This happened at least once pre-COVID, I don't remember the exact year. 2016 or 2017 IIRC. And this year 5-7 Rutgers was invited to the Gator Bowl obviously to backfill a COVID cancellation. In the past, the only sub-.500 teams that went bowling were those that won their conference but managed to still have a losing overall record. This was very rare -- North Texas did it one year during the early days of the Sun Belt becoming a I-A conference. William & Mary also participated in the 1970 Tangerine Bowl after winning the Southern Conference with a 5-6 overall record (random, but I know this because my dad went to W&M in the '70's -- he was still in HS but growing up in VA, it was a really big deal back then for an in-state team to go to any bowl so everyone watched it). sports.yahoo.com/report-ncaa-committee-approves-extra-bowl-game-to-accommodate-all-6-win-teams-225957809.html To be honest, if they want to continue this "bowl mania" coupled w/a small playoff field; then why not let the other 40 or so teams play too. Every team gets an extra game after exams, end of story. Doubleheaders if there are not enough sites to do it, increase tourism ever-so-slightly. It is kind of unfair that the 80 teams get extra practice sessions already.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 27, 2021 15:52:20 GMT -5
So, HC has accumulated four extra weeks of practice and four extra games of experience over the past three seasons, plus the extra week and championship game they share only with Bucknell. How will the rest of the woeful PL ever catch up?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 27, 2021 21:13:59 GMT -5
Boise State just pulled out of the Barstool Arizona Bowl and game has been su sequently cancelled after brief search for replacement.
Im guessing no one had the foresight to reach out to Northern Arizona, who's already 1-0 this season at that stadium.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 27, 2021 21:44:21 GMT -5
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Regarding NAU, last I checked 1AA's don't get bowl invites.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 27, 2021 22:29:05 GMT -5
Boise State just pulled out of the Barstool Arizona Bowl and game has been su sequently cancelled after brief search for replacement. Im guessing no one had the foresight to reach out to Northern Arizona, who's already 1-0 this season at that stadium. “Central Michigan will now face Washington State in the Sun Bowl on Friday, the Sun Bowl Association announced on Monday, after its Arizona Bowl opponent, Boise State, was forced to withdraw because of COVID-19 protocols. The Arizona Bowl was subsequently canceled.”
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 27, 2021 22:50:59 GMT -5
Boise State just pulled out of the Barstool Arizona Bowl and game has been su sequently cancelled after brief search for replacement. Im guessing no one had the foresight to reach out to Northern Arizona, who's already 1-0 this season at that stadium. “Central Michigan will now face Washington State in the Sun Bowl on Friday, the Sun Bowl Association announced on Monday, after its Arizona Bowl opponent, Boise State, was forced to withdraw because of COVID-19 protocols. The Arizona Bowl was subsequently canceled.” Money talks....Sun Bowl payout is much higher
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Post by hcpride on Dec 28, 2021 7:46:04 GMT -5
It is interesting that it is three ACC programs to cancel today. Maybe the standards with the ACC are higher than the rest of the conferences. Or they have more positive tests. Today. Once in a while I get one right. Turns out serially testing healthy and vaccinated athletes during the Covid Omicron surge will snag a large number for the Covid protocols. And trigger cancellations. One possible solution is to go the NFL route and safely halt the serial asymptomatic testing of vaccinated players. And rethink the ‘possibly exposed’ portion of the protocols as well. Or ditch the protocols.
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Post by Tom on Dec 28, 2021 9:08:51 GMT -5
I'm too young to remember the good old days of just four major bowls
Just to sound like an old curmudgeon, The Fiesta became the best of the rest - playing opposite the Rose Bowl on New Years Day. Also things like Peach, Gator, and Cirtus/Tangerine. Plus others no one really cared about..
There are probably more bowls out there today that I haven't heard of than bowls I have. Ignoring the whole COVID and people being sick thing, is cancelling the Military Bowl, or the Fenway Bowl a bad thing? Those cancellations remind me of the old question about a tree falling in the woods
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 28, 2021 10:45:02 GMT -5
And here I thought you were a Boston lover!
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 28, 2021 12:12:35 GMT -5
I'm too young to remember the good old days of just four major bowls Just to sound like an old curmudgeon, The Fiesta became the best of the rest - playing opposite the Rose Bowl on New Years Day. Also things like Peach, Gator, and Cirtus/Tangerine. Plus others no one really cared about.. There are probably more bowls out there today that I haven't heard of than bowls I have. Ignoring the whole COVID and people being sick thing, is cancelling the Military Bowl, or the Fenway Bowl a bad thing? Those cancellations remind me of the old question about a tree falling in the woods Not a bad thing at all. I don't even know what charity the Fenway Bowl benefits, if any.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 28, 2021 12:19:52 GMT -5
I'm too young to remember the good old days of just four major bowls Just to sound like an old curmudgeon, The Fiesta became the best of the rest - playing opposite the Rose Bowl on New Years Day. Also things like Peach, Gator, and Cirtus/Tangerine. Plus others no one really cared about.. There are probably more bowls out there today that I haven't heard of than bowls I have. Ignoring the whole COVID and people being sick thing, is cancelling the Military Bowl, or the Fenway Bowl a bad thing? Those cancellations remind me of the old question about a tree falling in the woods Not a bad thing at all. I don't even know what charity the Fenway Bowl benefits, if any. Charity??? It just fills ESPN's TV schedule with programing.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 28, 2021 12:30:50 GMT -5
ESPN Events owns and operates 17 college bowl games
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 28, 2021 13:01:35 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Dec 28, 2021 13:11:36 GMT -5
The next question, more important than the cancellation, is "how many of the 40 are ill, is this for all intents and purposes, over and done with...or are there long term concerns?".
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 28, 2021 13:14:25 GMT -5
USA just forfeited a WJC game
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Post by spenser on Dec 28, 2021 13:23:28 GMT -5
Worcester Polytechnic Institute just announced that spectators will not allowed to attend athletic events until further notice. Not that they get a lot of spectators, but this year, neither do we.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 28, 2021 13:31:18 GMT -5
Worcester Polytechnic Institute just announced that spectators will not allowed to attend athletic events until further notice. Not that they get a lot of spectators, but this year, neither do we. Harvard also
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