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Post by mm67 on Feb 15, 2022 18:40:38 GMT -5
Big Picture!
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 15, 2022 20:13:23 GMT -5
The better IL teams are highly ranked, and they are competitive games (agree about Yale Bowl though). Game at Columbia would be fun too, and Cornell Maybe Robert K. Kraft would fly the team down on the two Patriot Jumbo Jets if we were playing at Robert K Kraft Field at Wien Stadium at Columbia and kept telling Robert K. Kraft how excited we are to be playing at Robert K. Kraft Field.😊
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 15, 2022 20:22:03 GMT -5
Some here might not want to hear this, but we would probably drop football or at least give it much less emphasis if we stopped playing Ivy League teams completely in football. A very big reason why we have an FCS-level program at Holy Cross is to schedule the Harvards and Yales of the world. A big reason there is an FCS was so the Harvards and the Yales could stay in Division One instead of moving to Division Two when the old University Division transitioned to 1-A and 1-AA. However I don't think HC football would be threatened today if our traditional Ivy opponents adopted Dartmouth's position of wanting to schedule outside of New England to help market Dartmouth where it is less well known than it is in Mass.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 15, 2022 20:25:21 GMT -5
In a little less than a half hour, there will be a Zoom entitled: "College Update for President's Council and Annual Giving Volunteers" Let's see if they discuss Kit and athletics. Only briefly. ------------------------- Kit may address the top of the hill projects and the rink in the near future.
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Post by gks on Feb 15, 2022 20:29:58 GMT -5
I think many on this board are missing what's going on with the football program. You have a coach not brought up in the PL/Ivy sphere...and that's a good thing. This staff's goal is not beating Yale or Harvard it's winning an FCS championship. In order to do this you have to bulk up the non-league schedule to counter the anchor that is the PL. Last season listening to national FCS podcasts, when talking about HC the Yale win never even came up. UConn, along with Monmouth, were the only big wins that were talked about. Want to play one Ivy a year to keep the memories alive, fine. But the schedule needs to get better.
Boggles my mind that many don't want to see multiple CAA games on the schedule. Despite those that try to argue it the CAA is not an invisible conference. It is one of the top 3 FCS leagues in the country. That cannot be argued. If you can compete with the top CAA teams you'll go a long way in establishing a national reputation. Last season was the first step.
There is a buzz growing about Holy Cross football in Worcester. Alumni are behind Chesney and his program's goals. Word is the administration (Pres and AD) are very football friendly and ready to elevate the program.
Sorry but games against Brown and Dartmouth won't cut it.
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 15, 2022 20:36:20 GMT -5
I think many on this board are missing what's going on with the football program. You have a coach not brought up in the PL/Ivy sphere...and that's a good thing. This staff's goal is not beating Yale or Harvard it's winning an FCS championship. In order to do this you have to bulk up the non-league schedule to counter the anchor that is the PL. Last season listening to national FCS podcasts, when talking about HC the Yale win never even came up. UConn, along with Monmouth, were the only big wins that were talked about. Want to play one Ivy a year to keep the memories alive, fine. But the schedule needs to get better. Boggles my mind that many don't want to see multiple CAA games on the schedule. Despite those that try to argue it the CAA is not an invisible conference. It is one of the top 3 FCS leagues in the country. That cannot be argued. If you can compete with the top CAA teams you'll go a long way in establishing a national reputation. Last season was the first step. There is a buzz growing about Holy Cross football in Worcester. Alumni are behind Chesney and his program's goals. Word is the administration (Pres and AD) are very football friendly and ready to elevate the program. Sorry but games against Brown and Dartmouth won't cut it. Yea the team that finished 19th in the nation (who ended up beating ZERO ranked teams at the end of the year) playing the 20th ranked team wouldn't have helped them this year.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 15, 2022 20:50:09 GMT -5
I think many on this board are missing what's going on with the football program. You have a coach not brought up in the PL/Ivy sphere...and that's a good thing. This staff's goal is not beating Yale or Harvard it's winning an FCS championship. In order to do this you have to bulk up the non-league schedule to counter the anchor that is the PL. Last season listening to national FCS podcasts, when talking about HC the Yale win never even came up. UConn, along with Monmouth, were the only big wins that were talked about. Want to play one Ivy a year to keep the memories alive, fine. But the schedule needs to get better. Boggles my mind that many don't want to see multiple CAA games on the schedule. Despite those that try to argue it the CAA is not an invisible conference. It is one of the top 3 FCS leagues in the country. That cannot be argued. If you can compete with the top CAA teams you'll go a long way in establishing a national reputation. Last season was the first step. There is a buzz growing about Holy Cross football in Worcester. Alumni are behind Chesney and his program's goals. Word is the administration (Pres and AD) are very football friendly and ready to elevate the program. Sorry but games against Brown and Dartmouth won't cut it. If HC replaced Harvard and Yale on the 2021 schedule with URI and UNH maybe we don't get a home playoff game as H&Y were a combined 13-7 and UNH and URI we're a combined 10-12.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 15, 2022 20:51:10 GMT -5
From what the President of the college said tonight, they need to recruit many more applicants from outside the Northeast. An applicant pool largely from the Northeast will impede the college from reaching its strategic objectives.
If one wants to expand the 'brand' nationally, that might point to an OOC game(s) in other regions; the South, West Coast, Texas.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 15, 2022 20:51:11 GMT -5
In a little less than a half hour, there will be a Zoom entitled: "College Update for President's Council and Annual Giving Volunteers" Let's see if they discuss Kit and athletics. Only briefly. ------------------------- Kit may address the top of the hill projects and the rink in the near future. I started a new thread in "Non-Sports about HC"
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 15, 2022 20:58:18 GMT -5
From what the President of the college said tonight, they need to recruit many more applicants from outside the Northeast. An applicant pool largely from the Northeast will impede the college from reaching its strategic objectives. If one wants to expand the 'brand' nationally, that might point to an OOC game(s) in other regions; the South, West Coast, Texas. Dusting off my ten gallon hat.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 15, 2022 21:06:31 GMT -5
Rougeau did specifically mention football, winning the first post-season game, and Chesney's contract extension.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 15, 2022 22:43:25 GMT -5
Some here might not want to hear this, but we would probably drop football or at least give it much less emphasis if we stopped playing Ivy League teams completely in football. A very big reason why we have an FCS-level program at Holy Cross is to schedule the Harvards and Yales of the world. A big reason there is an FCS was so the Harvards and the Yales could stay in Division One instead of moving to Division Two when the old University Division transitioned to 1-A and 1-AA. However I don't think HC football would be threatened today if our traditional Ivy opponents adopted Dartmouth's position of wanting to schedule outside of New England to help market Dartmouth where it is less well known than it is in Mass. I don't think it would be "threatened" existentially if we stopped playing the Eli, the Johnnies and the Indians completely. But I'm near certain TPTB at HC very much want to continue playing Ivy League schools in football during the Fall. Again, these are very good football programs above and beyond having the Ivy cachet about them. The Ivies (HYP and D particularly) are much improved in football from where they were 15- 20 years ago.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 15, 2022 22:48:54 GMT -5
Plus the Ivies play us home and home. Some CAA schools might want to consider playing us only on their campus.
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Post by thecrossisback on Feb 15, 2022 22:56:18 GMT -5
I think many on this board are missing what's going on with the football program. You have a coach not brought up in the PL/Ivy sphere...and that's a good thing. This staff's goal is not beating Yale or Harvard it's winning an FCS championship. In order to do this you have to bulk up the non-league schedule to counter the anchor that is the PL. Last season listening to national FCS podcasts, when talking about HC the Yale win never even came up. UConn, along with Monmouth, were the only big wins that were talked about. Want to play one Ivy a year to keep the memories alive, fine. But the schedule needs to get better. Boggles my mind that many don't want to see multiple CAA games on the schedule. Despite those that try to argue it the CAA is not an invisible conference. It is one of the top 3 FCS leagues in the country. That cannot be argued. If you can compete with the top CAA teams you'll go a long way in establishing a national reputation. Last season was the first step. There is a buzz growing about Holy Cross football in Worcester. Alumni are behind Chesney and his program's goals. Word is the administration (Pres and AD) are very football friendly and ready to elevate the program. Sorry but games against Brown and Dartmouth won't cut it. If HC replaced Harvard and Yale on the 2021 schedule with URI and UNH maybe we don't get a home playoff game as H&Y were a combined 13-7 and UNH and URI we're a combined 10-12. Stop 🛑 The IVY League is not the SEC. Harvard and Yale Beat Cornell Brown, Columbia and Penn cmon those teams stink. Plus CAA has better fans then Harvard and Yale. I love history but if you want to be noticed on the FCS stage Gks is 100 percent right you need to play and beat teams in tougher conference then the PL (nothing you can do) and the IVY
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 16, 2022 0:38:52 GMT -5
Plus the Ivies play us home and home. Some CAA schools might want to consider playing us only on their campus. Delaware doesn't often play FCS road games. They have played Delaware State (2021 Spring Season), Lafayette (2016), and NDSU (part of a home and home at NDSU in 2018 and home in 2017) on the road since the start of the 2009 season.
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 16, 2022 0:40:05 GMT -5
If HC replaced Harvard and Yale on the 2021 schedule with URI and UNH maybe we don't get a home playoff game as H&Y were a combined 13-7 and UNH and URI we're a combined 10-12. Stop 🛑 The IVY League is not the SEC. Harvard and Yale Beat Cornell Brown, Columbia and Penn cmon those teams stink. Plus CAA has better fans then Harvard and Yale. I love history but if you want to be noticed on the FCS stage Gks is 100 percent right you need to play and beat teams in tougher conference then the PL (nothing you can do) and the IVY Who had a national TV contract last year? The Ivy League, Patriot League or CAA? You know the answer is the Ivy League who had games every Friday night on ESPNU.
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Post by football44 on Feb 16, 2022 6:06:57 GMT -5
Plus the Ivies play us home and home. Some CAA schools might want to consider playing us only on their campus. Not true. We have a home and home with URI in the next few years. This coaching staff is very focused on winning a National championship. They now have 3 games with MAC schools. (Buffalo,Northern Illinois and Miami of Ohio). They have focused on recruiting talent that is being courted by both the CAA and the MACC. Not as interested in Ivy League recruits.
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Post by football44 on Feb 16, 2022 6:11:40 GMT -5
Stop 🛑 The IVY League is not the SEC. Harvard and Yale Beat Cornell Brown, Columbia and Penn cmon those teams stink. Plus CAA has better fans then Harvard and Yale. I love history but if you want to be noticed on the FCS stage Gks is 100 percent right you need to play and beat teams in tougher conference then the PL (nothing you can do) and the IVY Who had a national TV contract last year? The Ivy League, Patriot League or CAA? You know the answer is the Ivy League who had games every Friday night on ESPNU. Yeah Friday night when you were taking your wife and or family out for dinner. Some Ivy League producer at ESPN filling a hole on Friday night at 6pm.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 16, 2022 7:27:49 GMT -5
Might be hard for some to hear but pretty sure the football team (and hopefully basketball eventually) are not just for the players and fans but a vehicle to get the Holy Cross brand more widely known.
Yes, that means doing well and that dovetails with what the alums and fans want but there will be a conscious effort to get more applicants (and recruits no doubt) from the south, southwest and west where population is growing.
Like it or not, Ivy League schools are MUCH better known than any CAA school. Not to say we can’t or won’t play any CAA schools but they will supplement, not replace, IL schools on the schedule. And would be surprised if we don’t schedule games outside the Northeast.
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Post by gks on Feb 16, 2022 7:43:35 GMT -5
Might be hard for some to hear but pretty sure the football team (and hopefully basketball eventually) are not just for the players and fans but a vehicle to get the Holy Cross brand more widely known. Yes, that means doing well and that dovetails with what the alums and fans want but there will be a conscious effort to get more applicants (and recruits no doubt) from the south, southwest and west where population is growing. Like it or not, Ivy League schools are MUCH better known than any CAA school. Not to say we can’t or won’t play any CAA schools but they will supplement, not replace, IL schools on the schedule. And would be surprised if we don’t schedule games outside the Northeast. Schools yes. No one is arguing the academic accomplishments of the members of the Ivy League. We're talking football here. Ivy Football is a non-factor nationally....and that's because of their backwards attitudes.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 16, 2022 7:58:28 GMT -5
Plus the Ivies play us home and home. Some CAA schools might want to consider playing us only on their campus. Not true. We have a home and home with URI in the next few years. This coaching staff is very focused on winning a National championship. They now have 3 games with MAC schools. (Buffalo,Northern Illinois and Miami of Ohio). They have focused on recruiting talent that is being courted by both the CAA and the MACC. Not as interested in Ivy League recruits. Agree home-and-home w/CAA is realistic (Fordham’s in the midst of a four-year series w/SBU). And a great move. I’d like to see 2 or 3 a year. Certainly not a coincidence we’re now very wisely scheduling MAC games. If we have room for a NEC or an Ivy after scheduling these more significant opponents, I could see adding Merrimack, Yale, etc.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 16, 2022 8:04:51 GMT -5
All FCS teams are "non factors." Sorry, that's true for PL, IL and even the CAA.
If you are talking, which I think you are, about the small world of FCS, while CAA is better from top to bottom than the IL, the top Ivies are better than the mid to bottom feeder CAA teams. The top Ivies lately have been Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth and Princeton. We play the first 2 regularly. Stopped playing Dartmouth and haven't played Princeton in years. Can you at least accept that it is not bad for Holy Cross to play a top Ivy team? I do expect we'll play Monmouth in the not too distant future for a number of reasons including that we've played them multiple time lately including a playoff game and because they are closer than many of our PL rivals.
I'd see your point if we were playing Brown every year or Columbia. But, we aren't.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 16, 2022 8:10:00 GMT -5
Round & round we go. This is another example of a circle without end. Let's get real. Doubt if any of the CAA universities have a school song equal to "10,000 Men of Harvard." Or, Yale's "Whiffenpoof Song"?
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Post by gks on Feb 16, 2022 8:19:31 GMT -5
All FCS teams are "non factors." Sorry, that's true for PL, IL and even the CAA. If you are talking, which I think you are, about the small world of FCS, while CAA is better from top to bottom than the IL, the top Ivies are better than the mid to bottom feeder CAA teams. The top Ivies lately have been Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth and Princeton. We play the first 2 regularly. Stopped playing Dartmouth and haven't played Princeton in years. Can you at least accept that it is not bad for Holy Cross to play a top Ivy team? I do expect we'll play Monmouth in the not too distant future for a number of reasons including that we've played them multiple time lately including a playoff game and because they are closer than many of our PL rivals. I'd see your point if we were playing Brown every year or Columbia. But, we aren't. Again, my argument is that this staff, and it appears administration, has a goal of a national championship. They want to play and win on a national stage. To do this the schedule must be strengthened. If you want to be a regional team....Ivy up. If you want national recognition in the FCS world...they do you no good. A win over Yale last year didn't open any eyes nationally but going down to Villanova in the FCS playoffs and going blow to blow with them did.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 16, 2022 8:22:16 GMT -5
In terms of name recognition we may need to take another look at the logo of shield and HC. I was in North Carolina for the last week and had many compliment me on my black shirt with that logo. However, they asked where they could also get a similar shirt with the CH for "Chapel Hill". That never happened once with the Gothic or Old English lettering and the staggered HC. Oh well.
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