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Post by matunuck on Aug 3, 2022 19:27:55 GMT -5
We really need to dispense with the nonsense that unless you have an AI you’ve compromised your academic integrity.
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Post by trimster on Aug 3, 2022 19:34:31 GMT -5
On the other hand...the changes that some leagues are making in their membership could make the PL look a good deal more attractive. The PL has ever looked attractive to the fans of Central Mass. Rivalries never developed and fans have stayed away in droves.
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Post by trimster on Aug 3, 2022 19:34:52 GMT -5
We really need to dispense with the nonsense that unless you have an AI you’ve compromised your academic integrity. Amen.
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Post by gks on Aug 3, 2022 20:17:54 GMT -5
We really need to dispense with the nonsense that unless you have an AI you’ve compromised your academic integrity. Could not agree more.
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Post by gks on Aug 3, 2022 20:19:33 GMT -5
On the other hand...the changes that some leagues are making in their membership could make the PL look a good deal more attractive. The PL has ever looked attractive to the fans of Central Mass. Rivalries never developed and fans have stayed away in droves. The PL has never looked attractive to the majority of other colleges of the NCAA. Hence any real chance or opportunity to add football teams.
And why should it.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 3, 2022 20:21:09 GMT -5
We really need to dispense with the nonsense that unless you have an AI you’ve compromised your academic integrity. Amen. I don't think anybody actually believes that schools without the AI (including Holy Cross for about a hundred and fifty years years, BTW) have compromised their academic integrity. In fact, our academic reputation was stronger before we adopted the AI.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 3, 2022 21:26:32 GMT -5
As someone who likes the PL, the AI certainly wasn't my idea. PL schools have a milenium of combined identity. The AI is not needed.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 4, 2022 3:42:12 GMT -5
In other words LINO, league in name only. Where everybody wears a name tag with the correct pronounciation of their school at the league meetings. In football for the CAA, yes. I think the hoops league is still a slightly more manageable 12 or 13.
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Post by mainejeff on Aug 4, 2022 8:42:28 GMT -5
In other words LINO, league in name only. Where everybody wears a name tag with the correct pronounciation of their school at the league meetings. In football for the CAA, yes. I think the hoops league is still a slightly more manageable 12 or 13. 14 now. I’d love to see a football league with: Maine UNH Holy Cross URI Bryant Fordham Albany Colgate Villanova
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Post by purple1 on Aug 4, 2022 10:45:50 GMT -5
Take out Albany & Bryant, add UMass & UConn. This still allows us to play 1-2 FBS teams or Harvard & Yale.
Consider : HC, Colgate, Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, Fordham, Richmond, W&M, Villanova, Georgetown (?) then FBS or Ivy OCC to complete the schedule.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 4, 2022 10:53:12 GMT -5
In football for the CAA, yes. I think the hoops league is still a slightly more manageable 12 or 13. 14 now. I’d love to see a football league with: Maine UNH Holy Cross URI Bryant Fordham Albany Colgate Villanova Assuming the PL stays together for other sports, where would you place Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell and Georgetown for football?
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Post by trimster on Aug 4, 2022 11:07:08 GMT -5
14 now. I’d love to see a football league with: Maine UNH Holy Cross URI Bryant Fordham Albany Colgate Villanova Assuming the PL stays together for other sports, where would you place Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell and Georgetown for football? I wouldn't spend a nanosecond on that issue.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 4, 2022 11:22:17 GMT -5
Assuming the PL stays together for other sports, where would you place Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell and Georgetown for football? I wouldn't spend a nanosecond on that issue. The rest of the PL would certainly give it some thought.
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Post by rf1 on Aug 4, 2022 11:26:53 GMT -5
The origin of the present CAA Football Conference is the Yankee Conference. CAA members Maine, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island are the only remaining founding members. Today's football CAA is however far different than the original.
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Post by hc6774 on Aug 4, 2022 12:39:32 GMT -5
what is the impact of the overall male enrollment on the footprint of the modern-day football program? It seems to me that PL limitations AI, scholarships & roster size are a statement about footprint for 2000 undergrad male enrollments.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 4, 2022 13:35:20 GMT -5
what is the impact of the overall male enrollment on the footprint of the modern-day football program? It seems to me that PL limitations AI, scholarships & roster size are a statement about footprint for 2000 undergrad male enrollments. Go head to head with 15-20,000 student State Universities at your own risk. It's not just the undergraduate male enrollment. I believe part of grad students tuition and fees go towards athletics, too. People want to tarnish two-peats and three-peats by Sacred Heart and Holy Cross because of the leagues they are in. Not me. I'm pumped and jacked for a four -peat. Having potential regular access to the "second season" in late fall makes up for not being able to say we play Bill and Mary two out of every seven years.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 4, 2022 14:25:03 GMT -5
14 now. I’d love to see a football league with: Maine UNH Holy Cross URI Bryant Fordham Albany Colgate Villanova Assuming the PL stays together for other sports, where would you place Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell and Georgetown for football? We have almost nothing in common with the 3 secular PA schools so they wouldn’t be be missed by HC students, supporters, and alums during football season.
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Post by alum on Aug 4, 2022 14:39:58 GMT -5
We really need to dispense with the nonsense that unless you have an AI you’ve compromised your academic integrity. Amen. The AI allows admissions to resist the demands of every one of our 20 something head coaches that a particular athlete just has to be admitted. If the AI was eliminated, each school would make its own determination about how far they want to reduce their academic standards to compete. Right now, someone else has set a floor for them. We regularly have discussions here about how our incoming first year students don't have stats as high as those from some other school. Imagine what it will be like if we are not disciplined by something like an AI.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 4, 2022 14:45:24 GMT -5
We regularly have discussions here about how our incoming first year students don't have stats as high as those from some other school. Imagine what it will be like if we are not disciplined by something like an AI. In other words, the PL does not trust its own institutions. With six of the seven PL schools now SAT optional (it's still mandatory at Georgetown), the AI is even less trustworthy.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 4, 2022 14:46:09 GMT -5
Assuming the PL stays together for other sports, where would you place Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell and Georgetown for football? We have almost nothing in common with the 3 secular PA schools so they wouldn’t be be missed by HC students, supporters, and alums during football season. With ten current teams, the PL has a "foul to give" so to speak. Newer full members have a vote the same as the founding schools. HC brings little to the league outside of football and our shared partnership over the decades. If you knife the partnership and remove the football perhaps HC isn't the partner the other schools thought it was. The HC Catholic identity is positive, but HC has more in common with Lafayette than it does with Anna Maria in the sense Laffayette and HC are fighting a similar good fight as small liberal arts undergraduate colleges trying to be both academically elite and successful in D-1 sports. Catholic Schools like ND and Our Lady of the Elms in Chicopee are fighting good but different fights than HC and Lafayette, Lehigh and Bucknell.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 4, 2022 14:53:13 GMT -5
HC had it's chance to play in Catholic majority leagues in the BE and the MAAC. TPTB chose a group of secular schools as a better match. So at the very top of Holy Cross, there is a separation of Church and Sports.
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Post by mm67 on Aug 4, 2022 15:10:37 GMT -5
Thankfully, HC continues to hold onto the "nonsense." Athletics are an activity primarily for the benefit of students. Obviously, some alums like to puff up their chests as though athletic success truly matters in the broad scheme of the mission of a college. Maybe, athletic success is a vicarious, substitute for personal success for some, obviously none on this esteemed board. ( See state U's in the Midwest.). I do not know. I do know that HC during my lifetime has had the well deserved reputation as a fine college which places academics first. Over the decades our reputation for integrity & excellence has spread far & wide in the corridors of academia, the professions (Medicine & Law.), finance and the corporate world. Sports is secondary. For an historical perspective cf former HC great "Bullet Bill" Osmanski HC football coach who lasted for one season in the late '40's. His recruits were denied admission because they did not meet the the academic standards (the AI of the time.) Also, I refer all to the statement by HC in the 50's on the formal creation of the IL. HC adopted the same standard at that time. Today AI serves the same purpose. AI matters more than wins! Peace & good fellowship to all.
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Post by hc6774 on Aug 4, 2022 15:28:32 GMT -5
We regularly have discussions here about how our incoming first year students don't have stats as high as those from some other school. Imagine what it will be like if we are not disciplined by something like an AI. In other words, the PL does not trust its own institutions. With six of the seven PL schools now SAT optional (it's still mandatory at Georgetown), the AI is even less trustworthy. I think the term is '...trust, but verify' G'town 3300 male undergrads 44%?
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Post by hcpride on Aug 4, 2022 15:42:15 GMT -5
We regularly have discussions here about how our incoming first year students don't have stats as high as those from some other school. Imagine what it will be like if we are not disciplined by something like an AI. I’ve seen folks point out our incoming frosh test stats are a bit lower than our traditional Catholic peers (BC, Nova, Fordham, etc) but there is no doubt they are higher than other Catholic peers (PC, etc.). As far as Holy Cross and AI is concerned I haven’t heard anyone argue our academic reputation has improved since adopting the AI.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 4, 2022 15:51:18 GMT -5
Perhaps the extended prep school environment of an undergraduate only liberal arts only college lost favor. Still plenty of appeal for the elites like Williams/Amherst, but more of a struggle for the near elites like HC.
I like the environment, but perhaps the current college ready marketplace likes it less so, especially at the sticker price.
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