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Post by hc87 on Aug 8, 2022 13:00:24 GMT -5
I still believe that Villanova will join the PL as an associate membah in football at some point. The CAA is becoming an unwieldy mess of schools that really doesn't do a helluva lot more for their associate membahs than the PL can if done correctly, see: Holy Cross undah Chesney. I think our game with them in the playoffs last year "opened a lot of eyes" down there....i.e. "These guys play PL football???" It may not happen in the next couple of years but I think it will happen eventually....makes too much sense for them geographically, institutionally etc. Trying to figure out what makes me smash my head against the wall more..... Villanova football to PL or the dreaded flood plain. ....I'm not pushing for it in anyway, the one thing I love about PL football is the 5 (or 6) OOC games it provides us with every year. I'm just of the belief that Nova will ultimately tire of playing the Maine's, the N.C. A&T's, the Towson's et. al....and will want to join a football league with their Catholic brethren, Colgate and their local PL schools. Football is obviously not their marquee sport and playing in the PL for football will make more sense institutionally.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 8, 2022 14:16:02 GMT -5
Trying to figure out what makes me smash my head against the wall more..... Villanova football to PL or the dreaded flood plain. ....I'm not pushing for it in anyway, the one thing I love about PL football is the 5 (or 6) OOC games it provides us with every year. I'm just of the belief that Nova will ultimately tire of playing the Maine's, the N.C. A&T's, the Towson's et. al....and will want to join a football league with their Catholic brethren, Colgate and their local PL schools. Football is obviously not their marquee sport and playing in the PL for football will make more sense institutionally. I hadn't thought of it until recently, but why was Villanova not considered when the Colonial League was founded? They were essentially in the same position football-wise as Fordham at the time. Both urban, Catholic universities who had previously dropped football and were bringing their club programs back to I-AA level. And of course the PL was establishing it's geographic base in the Keystone State. I guess we'll keep holding our breath on Villanova getting tired of playing the CAA slate, much of which consists of the same schools they've been happily playing for 30 years dating back to the YanCon days.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 8, 2022 15:54:27 GMT -5
Trying to figure out what makes me smash my head against the wall more..... Villanova football to PL or the dreaded flood plain. ....I'm not pushing for it in anyway, the one thing I love about PL football is the 5 (or 6) OOC games it provides us with every year. I'm just of the belief that Nova will ultimately tire of playing the Maine's, the N.C. A&T's, the Towson's et. al....and will want to join a football league with their Catholic brethren, Colgate and their local PL schools. Football is obviously not their marquee sport and playing in the PL for football will make more sense institutionally. Nova hasn't tired of playing Maine and Towson in over 20 years....don't think that is going to happen.
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Post by hc87 on Aug 8, 2022 17:21:56 GMT -5
....I'm not pushing for it in anyway, the one thing I love about PL football is the 5 (or 6) OOC games it provides us with every year. I'm just of the belief that Nova will ultimately tire of playing the Maine's, the N.C. A&T's, the Towson's et. al....and will want to join a football league with their Catholic brethren, Colgate and their local PL schools. Football is obviously not their marquee sport and playing in the PL for football will make more sense institutionally. I hadn't thought of it until recently, but why was Villanova not considered when the Colonial League was founded? They were essentially in the same position football-wise as Fordham at the time. Both urban, Catholic universities who had previously dropped football and were bringing their club programs back to I-AA level. And of course the PL was establishing it's geographic base in the Keystone State. I guess we'll keep holding our breath on Villanova getting tired of playing the CAA slate, much of which consists of the same schools they've been happily playing for 30 years dating back to the YanCon days. Speculating, but the then Colonial League was being organized during the time ('80-'85) when VU had dropped football. They probably weren't sure what type of direction their "new" football program was going to take when they brought it back. The difference between FU and VU vis a vis CL/PL football membahship is that FU was a full PL membah at the time the Rams went FCS from D3. They jumped to the A-10 in the early/mid '90s but have remained associate football membahs. I'll let DFW Hoya tell the Georgetown story
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 8, 2022 17:30:53 GMT -5
If HC fans can feel that HC is too good for the PL and think we should move up to the CAA, there must be some VU fans who feel they are too good for the CAA and want to move up to the ACC for basketball and football like BC did.
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Post by hc87 on Aug 8, 2022 17:48:33 GMT -5
If HC fans can feel that HC is too good for the PL and think we should move up to the CAA, there must be some VU fans who feel they are too good for the CAA and want to move up to the ACC for basketball and football like BC did. VU looked into going FBS about a decade or so ago but the then Big East football league basically imploded and they were really left without a FBS landing spot and decided to remain Big East except for football. Others here like nycru and others probably know the whole story bettah but that's what happened in a nutshell.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 8, 2022 17:50:19 GMT -5
The obvious answer is that the Patriot League is reserved for Catholic educational institutions that are exclusively Jesuit - Holy Cross, Fordham and in basketball, Loyola. Fairfield and LeMoyne have a better chance of getting into the PL than apostates Villanova.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 8, 2022 18:12:36 GMT -5
I hadn't thought of it until recently, but why was Villanova not considered when the Colonial League was founded? They were essentially in the same position football-wise as Fordham at the time. Both urban, Catholic universities who had previously dropped football and were bringing their club programs back to I-AA level. And of course the PL was establishing it's geographic base in the Keystone State. Villanova had already committed to the Yankee Conference before that. www.upi.com/Archives/1984/10/10/Villanova-will-not-resume-playing-football-until-next-year/3927466228800/
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Post by hcpride on Aug 8, 2022 19:07:56 GMT -5
I hadn't thought of it until recently, but why was Villanova not considered when the Colonial League was founded? They were essentially in the same position football-wise as Fordham at the time. Both urban, Catholic universities who had previously dropped football and were bringing their club programs back to I-AA level. And of course the PL was establishing it's geographic base in the Keystone State. Villanova had already committed to the Yankee Conference before that. www.upi.com/Archives/1984/10/10/Villanova-will-not-resume-playing-football-until-next-year/3927466228800/Nice bunch of I-AA football schools in the Yankee Conference at that time so it’s easy to see why Big East member Villanova would want to compete with them (from the article ): Villanova will play four Yankee Conference teams in 1987 and have a complete league schedule and play 10 games in 1988, he said.
Current members of the Yankee Conference are Boston University, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Delaware, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Maine and Richmond.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 8, 2022 19:24:05 GMT -5
....I'm not pushing for it in anyway, the one thing I love about PL football is the 5 (or 6) OOC games it provides us with every year. I'm just of the belief that Nova will ultimately tire of playing the Maine's, the N.C. A&T's, the Towson's et. al....and will want to join a football league with their Catholic brethren, Colgate and their local PL schools. Football is obviously not their marquee sport and playing in the PL for football will make more sense institutionally. Nova hasn't tired of playing Maine and Towson in over 20 years....don't think that is going to happen. And beyond that they’ve now got a nice football rivalry with Delaware. (Not to mention a full slate of decent league games each year). ‘87- That is a backhanded compliment (?) towards PL football if there ever was one. 🙂
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 8, 2022 19:42:30 GMT -5
The obvious answer is that the Patriot League is reserved for Catholic educational institutions that are exclusively Jesuit - Holy Cross, Fordham and in basketball, Loyola. Fairfield and LeMoyne have a better chance of getting into the PL than apostates Villanova. You forgot Georgetown in football.
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Post by lehighowl on Aug 8, 2022 20:11:09 GMT -5
Villanova has completely dominated PL competition dating back to 1986. IIRC, their record against the PL is 38-3 with only losses coming to Holy Cross in 1987 (?), Lehigh (2006), and Fordham (2012) if my memory serves me right? To be fair, they've also dominated their biggest rival Delaware over that period of time and held their own against Temple. What Talley cultivated, Ferrente has maintained. Likely to the surprise of many who though Villanova's success and sustainability were directly tied to Talley's influence.
Monmouth has started their own run of dominance over the PL. They were once a Lehigh punching bag....
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 8, 2022 21:31:17 GMT -5
Villanova has completely dominated PL competition dating back to 1986. IIRC, their record against the PL is 38-3 with only losses coming to Holy Cross in 1987 (?), Lehigh (2006), and Fordham (2012) if my memory serves me right? To be fair, they've also dominated their biggest rival Delaware over that period of time and held their own against Temple. What Talley cultivated, Ferrente has maintained. Likely to the surprise of many who though Villanova's success and sustainability were directly tied to Talley's influence. Monmouth has started their own run of dominance over the PL. They were once a Lehigh punching bag.... Time for the PL to start punching back.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 8, 2022 22:12:09 GMT -5
Villanova has completely dominated PL competition dating back to 1986. IIRC, their record against the PL is 38-3 with only losses coming to Holy Cross in 1987 (?), Lehigh (2006), and Fordham (2012) if my memory serves me right? To be fair, they've also dominated their biggest rival Delaware over that period of time and held their own against Temple. What Talley cultivated, Ferrente has maintained. Likely to the surprise of many who though Villanova's success and sustainability were directly tied to Talley's influence. Monmouth has started their own run of dominance over the PL. They were once a Lehigh punching bag.... Time for the PL to start punching back. Not this regular season. The PL opponent for Villanova this year is Lehigh. And last year’s Villanova v Lehigh matchup was not nearly as close as the 47-3 final score indicated. Of course, come playoff season and a VERY different PL team…
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 9, 2022 9:17:02 GMT -5
I don't consider GU a Jesuit school.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 9, 2022 9:22:25 GMT -5
Those residing in the Jesuit Residence on campus might disagree
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Post by trimster on Aug 9, 2022 11:53:17 GMT -5
I don't consider GU a Jesuit school. Why not?
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 9, 2022 13:42:47 GMT -5
I don't consider GU a Jesuit school. Why not? Bill Clinton's behavior?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 9, 2022 14:12:15 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 9, 2022 14:28:01 GMT -5
Great article. I had been loosely wondering about Trump's time at Fordham for the last six years or so and most bios of him glance over the subject. Thanks.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 9, 2022 15:28:31 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 9, 2022 15:39:11 GMT -5
I don't consider GU a Jesuit school. Why not? 1. I was initially in a rush to go somewhere and I did forget to type in GU. Yes, I know it is considered a Jesuit university and that the original HC grads got GU degrees. 2. It was a joke 3. As I've posted in the past, when my son was looking at colleges and we took our trip to GU in the mid-90s, on the tour, they went into great detail about their support for Muslim, Jewish, non-denominational religious ceremonies and practices and very cursorily went over Catholic and no mention of Jesuit background. I don't think either my son nor I looked like that would be a selling point for us. It was as if they were beyond Catholicism. Just my impression. So, a joke but with a tinge of truth in it for me.
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