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Post by trimster on Oct 22, 2022 11:16:04 GMT -5
I think we all agree keeping Bob Chesney at HC long term would be a great thing. I think most of us if not all would agree going FBS is the next logical thing in Ches' career. Well what if HC brought FBS football to Ches? Does HC have the appetite to do so? I don't think you can have a league just for football but what if a group of schools like UMass, UConn, Army, Navy, Buffalo, Temple and Delaware agreed to play each other every year as Indies?
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Post by efg72 on Oct 22, 2022 11:21:50 GMT -5
Add William and Mary, Richmond, Villanova and Fordham
Drop Buffalo
Possibly you could go multiple sports
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Post by hcgrad94 on Oct 22, 2022 11:28:37 GMT -5
What would people guess is the all-in, incremental cost to make that move? Start with 50 additional scholarships (25 for fb and 25 for womens sports) and go from there.
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Post by trimster on Oct 22, 2022 11:30:34 GMT -5
Add William and Mary, Richmond, Villanova and Fordham Drop Buffalo Possibly you could go multiple sports Villanova wouldn’t leave the Big East if you are thinking a conference. |
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Post by trimster on Oct 22, 2022 11:32:05 GMT -5
What would people guess is the all-in, incremental cost to make that move? Start with 50 additional scholarships (25 for fb and 25 for womens sports) and go from there. Good point. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 22, 2022 11:38:23 GMT -5
There is ZERO CHANCE Holy Cross would even remotely be in the market for an FBS move.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 22, 2022 11:51:06 GMT -5
All sports outside of football struggle to be competitive in the PL.
Imagine moving up to a bigger conference?
This is a non-starter.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Oct 22, 2022 11:53:19 GMT -5
Good idea, become UMass 2.0 in football
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Post by bikeman on Oct 22, 2022 12:10:43 GMT -5
FCS football is where HC belongs. The awful PL, not so much.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 22, 2022 12:21:59 GMT -5
I think college athletics in general are on the precipice of some fundamental changes in this new era of NIL, transfer portal etc...so it's hard to say categorically HC would nevah leave PL football imo.
That being said, I think the HC powers that be are very happy with the PL model right now. Remembah, about 25% of HC's enrollment are playing in a PL sport right now....it's a big "pull" for admissions currently.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 22, 2022 12:51:30 GMT -5
PL football already has some cracks. Georgetown has no football schollies. Bucknell has schollies but no 5th years. We have schollies and 5th years. Tim DeMorat and Malik Hamm (two of the best known Patriot League football stars) are 5th years.
My prediction is PL will permit (not mandate) non-medical redshirts as the Covid 5th years move out. At the insistence of Holy Cross and Fordham. Which will enable the PL members who want to compete nationally to compete nationally.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 22, 2022 13:30:43 GMT -5
Holy Cross isn't leaving the Patriot League anytime soon.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 22, 2022 13:38:49 GMT -5
PL football already has some cracks. Georgetown has no football schollies. Bucknell has schollies but no 5th years. We have schollies and 5th years. Tim DeMorat and Malik Hamm (two of the best known Patriot League football stars) are 5th years. My prediction is PL will permit (not mandate) non-medical redshirts as the Covid 5th years move out. At the insistence of Holy Cross and Fordham. Which will enable the PL members who want to compete nationally to compete nationally. Non-medical red shirting with the same 60 scholarships and no graduate school requires some finesse. How many would you red shirt each year on average? |
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 22, 2022 14:37:46 GMT -5
FBS no. Another or a new FCS conference with regional northeast powers? That might happen if the redshirt matter isn't resolved by the PL.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 22, 2022 15:00:25 GMT -5
PL football already has some cracks. Georgetown has no football schollies. Bucknell has schollies but no 5th years. We have schollies and 5th years. Tim DeMorat and Malik Hamm (two of the best known Patriot League football stars) are 5th years. My prediction is PL will permit (not mandate) non-medical redshirts as the Covid 5th years move out. At the insistence of Holy Cross and Fordham. Which will enable the PL members who want to compete nationally to compete nationally. Non-medical red shirting with the same 60 scholarships and no graduate school requires some finesse. How many would you red shirt each year on average? We’re already successfully managing Covid 5th years and medical redshirts so there are no issues to surprise us. Seems to be working. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 22, 2022 16:29:30 GMT -5
FBS no. Another or a new FCS conference with regional northeast powers? That might happen if the redshirt matter isn't resolved by the PL. The only plaudisble scenario involving a new FCS conference in the region would be via the creation of America East football. For that to even be a starter, UNH, Maine and Albany would need to spearhead it and be willing to leave CAA Football to do so. If they did that, URI would surely come along. Bryant is already an America East member. Then they'd be looking at trying to get HC to leave the PL for AE in all sports and bringing in Merrimack from the NEC. That's 7 schools. After that, you'd be trying to get Fordham to join as an affiliate member and you'd consider bringing SHU into the AE for all sports. And then you keep a seat warm in the event UMASS decides to return to FCS. |
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 22, 2022 16:30:53 GMT -5
Good analysis ny cru. I think the New England CAA teams could be attractive for a league.
Our we join the CAA!
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Post by trimster on Oct 22, 2022 16:35:01 GMT -5
FBS no. Another or a new FCS conference with regional northeast powers? That might happen if the redshirt matter isn't resolved by the PL. The only plaudisble scenario involving a new FCS conference in the region would be via the creation of America East football. For that to even be a starter, UNH, Maine and Albany would need to spearhead it and be willing to leave CAA Football to do so. If they did that, URI would surely come along. Bryant is already an America East member. Then they'd be looking at trying to get HC to leave the PL for AE in all sports and bringing in Merrimack from the NEC. That's 7 schools. After that, you'd be trying to get Fordham to join as an affiliate member and you'd consider bringing SHU into the AE for all sports. And then you keep a seat warm in the event UMASS decides to return to FCS. I'd rather stay where we are than do that. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 22, 2022 22:44:02 GMT -5
FBS no. Another or a new FCS conference with regional northeast powers? That might happen if the redshirt matter isn't resolved by the PL. The PL has no interest in changing its rules. They don't care about a thing about Georgetown or Bucknell, and they also know Holy Cross isn't leaving to join another conference, either. |
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 22, 2022 22:51:18 GMT -5
FBS no. Another or a new FCS conference with regional northeast powers? That might happen if the redshirt matter isn't resolved by the PL. The PL has no interest in changing its rules. They don't care about a thing about Georgetown or Bucknell, and they also know Holy Cross isn't leaving to join another conference, either. Then care to join us in a Big East football conference?😆 |
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Post by mm67 on Oct 22, 2022 23:01:38 GMT -5
Redshirt matter? Obviously, those banging the Reshirt drum are not being heard. Suspect the "issue" has long since been resolved by the PL member institutions. Enjoy this special season. GoCrossGo.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 22, 2022 23:12:01 GMT -5
5th years matter. We see it this year. I think our football priorities are outgrowing the Patriot League. But take my perspective with a grain of salt. Feom the moment I first descended Mt Saint James to watch Holy Cross upset Harvard in 2007, I wondered why we were in the PL. I never heard of the Pennsylvania schools growing up. I did know UNH, Maine, URI, UMass, Uconn, Villanova, and the like. They gave in on playoffs, they gave in on scholarships. I still feel as though the Ivy pushed for the formation of the PL so they would have non-scholarship opponents who they knew they could beat with financial aid and "academic" scholarships. I want to keep the focus on our incredible season and save conference talk for post-season.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 22, 2022 23:19:27 GMT -5
I took the grain of salt and threw it over my shoulder for good luck against Fordham. Enjoying this special season. I hope Fordham sneaks into the playoffs at 9-2 after other teams in stronger leagues cannibalize each other with the PL getting two teams in.
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Post by gks on Oct 23, 2022 16:47:52 GMT -5
My sense is that the new administration, both school-wise and athletically, is much more athletics-friendly than what's been up there in the past. They are from schools that have dealt with redshirts in the past and see no problem with it. PL needs to get into modern times and ditch its ancient ways.
PL will have no choice but to change if HC and Fordham say so. Too bad if no one else wants to follow.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 23, 2022 17:06:57 GMT -5
Just because they should change it does not necessarily mean they will.
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