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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 19, 2022 16:27:37 GMT -5
What are their injuries?
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Post by efg72 on Dec 19, 2022 16:29:57 GMT -5
medical redshirts??
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 19, 2022 16:36:00 GMT -5
In the event Nelson is fired after this season, isn't it possible the next coach wouldn't grant them a redshirt? |
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Post by sader1998 on Dec 19, 2022 16:37:52 GMT -5
Has the College ever formally (on social media) commented on a player’s status like that before?
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Post by hchoops on Dec 19, 2022 16:39:39 GMT -5
I feel badly for both. Neither ever really had an opportunity when healthy.
So when, and a big if, Nelson decides he needs anyone over 6’6”, he has to hope Wilbar or Lewis are prepared.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 19, 2022 16:41:17 GMT -5
A two year masters at a D-2 or low D-1 school could be possible now. Good motivation for them to have a productive senior season at Holy Cross next year. I don't anticipate too many HC basketball players sticking around for a five or six year bachelor degree. The pattern has been set by Evans, Butler, Faw, Labarbera and Demski. Take your sheepskin after four years fair and square and make the best post graduate deal for yourself. |
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Post by efg72 on Dec 19, 2022 16:45:32 GMT -5
Waiting to see if they jump into the portal
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 19, 2022 16:48:17 GMT -5
A two year masters at a D-2 or low D-1 school could be possible now. Good motivation for them to have a productive senior season at Holy Cross next year. I don't anticipate too many HC basketball players sticking around for a five or six year bachelor degree. The pattern has been set by Evans, Butler, Faw, Labarbera and Demski. Take your sheepskin after four years fair and square and make the best post graduate deal for yourself. Last HC basketball player to stay for a 5th year was....Keister? Pat Doherty did the same two years ahead of him. |
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 19, 2022 16:52:26 GMT -5
In the event Nelson is fired after this season, isn't it possible the next coach wouldn't grant them a redshirt? Isn't HC granting a redshirt irrelevant in a two semester non-championship level sport? The coach at the school they attend for graduate school is the important decision maker on whether to offer them one or two years of scholarship (Covid year and a red shirt year), no? Mary Rose Campbell is the last M/W BB player I can recall staying at HC for a fifth medical red shirt year. And that was the year the wheels started to come off WBB's long dominant league position as I recall. Football where you only have to come back for September-December is different. |
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Post by efg72 on Dec 19, 2022 16:54:18 GMT -5
I hope we win some games for the sake of the players, but so looking forward to Decision Day and moving forward
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Post by DiMarz on Dec 19, 2022 16:55:55 GMT -5
So Wilbar, Lewis and Kirkwood gain some pt....? Octave will pick up some more minutes...
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 19, 2022 16:58:12 GMT -5
In the event Nelson is fired after this season, isn't it possible the next coach wouldn't grant them a redshirt? Ridiculous to put them both into the same bucket here, but par for the course, I guess. Any coach we hire would be foolish to not want a healthy Louth on this team. |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 19, 2022 16:59:34 GMT -5
In the event Nelson is fired after this season, isn't it possible the next coach wouldn't grant them a redshirt? Isn't HC granting a redshirt irrelevant in a two semester non-championship level sport? The coach at the school they attend for graduate school is the important decision maker on whether to offer them one or two years of scholarship (Covid year and a red shirt year), no? Mary Rose Campbell is the last M/W BB player I can recall staying at HC for a fifth medical red shirt year. And that was the year the wheels started to come off WBB's long dominant league position as I recall. Football where you only have to come back for September-December is different. Pat Doherty Andrew Keister And there may have been others. |
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Post by efg72 on Dec 19, 2022 17:01:00 GMT -5
Not thinking a red shirt granted by Holy Cross but an option for them if they enter the portal and look to play elsewhere. I think Rabs just stays and finished here, but not sure about Louth
They both have lost a ton of time to injury or just relegated to the bench. I just think the coaches, as a staff, struggle with how to develop and play bigs. More comfortable coaching 1-3s, but we don't have a 1- mercy
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Post by hchoops on Dec 19, 2022 17:01:26 GMT -5
DiMarz,
Kirkwood is a wing.
Doubt that Wilbar or Lewis will play now if they had not previously when Louth and Mike were out.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 19, 2022 17:02:32 GMT -5
A two year masters at a D-2 or low D-1 school could be possible now. Good motivation for them to have a productive senior season at Holy Cross next year. I don't anticipate too many HC basketball players sticking around for a five or six year bachelor degree. The pattern has been set by Evans, Butler, Faw, Labarbera and Demski. Take your sheepskin after four years fair and square and make the best post graduate deal for yourself. Last HC basketball player to stay for a 5th year was....Keister? Pat Doherty did the same two years ahead of him. Those two would be more recent than Campbell. In all three cases, HC could realistically be considered a championship contender when the decision was made and all three were more productive than injury plagued Louth and Rabs have been able to be so far. |
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Post by efg72 on Dec 19, 2022 17:29:56 GMT -5
In the event Nelson is fired after this season, isn't it possible the next coach wouldn't grant them a redshirt? Ridiculous to put them both into the same bucket here, but par for the course, I guess. Any coach we hire would be foolish to not want a healthy Louth on this team. I agree but we have no idea how they feel about their Holy Cross basketball experience and what they want in the future |
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Post by DiMarz on Dec 19, 2022 18:47:25 GMT -5
DiMarz, Kirkwood is a wing. Doubt that Wilbar or Lewis will play now if they had not previously when Louth and Mike were out. Yes Kirkwood is a wing, he could play the 3 or 4 if needed.....Wilbar has been getting a few minutes per game, Lewis not really...BUT with the 2 bigs gone for the season, there has to be way to make up their minutes...HC doesn't run a lot of post up except for Gates...So, Lewis may be an option to stretch the D and give more space to Gates...Kirkwood may also do the same. Wilbar can provide the same look..I believe it will come down to who can defend, either in the m2m or the zone we have seen..We may now see more zone on D... |
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 19, 2022 18:57:30 GMT -5
In the event Nelson is fired after this season, isn't it possible the next coach wouldn't grant them a redshirt? "In the event"......I would assume at this point that it is close to a sure thing.
Speaking for myself, after watching HC basketball for almost 60 years, if he comes back, I'm out. That simple.
I can't watch this total mess any longer with Nelson in charge. It is just too painful.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 19, 2022 20:42:56 GMT -5
Has the College ever formally (on social media) commented on a player’s status like that before? Not that I can ever recall. I'm sure they're throwing it out in an attempt at a crutch for yet another horrendous season. |
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Post by timholycross on Dec 19, 2022 22:14:15 GMT -5
Waiting to see if they jump into the portal Still on the bench? Still in school (which no one would know until a month from now)? Who would want either one of them at a D1 level? |
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Post by HC92 on Dec 19, 2022 22:22:33 GMT -5
In the event Nelson is fired after this season, isn't it possible the next coach wouldn't grant them a redshirt? "In the event"......I would assume at this point that it is close to a sure thing.
Speaking for myself, after watching HC basketball for almost 60 years, if he comes back, I'm out. That simple.
I can't watch this total mess any longer with Nelson in charge. It is just too painful.
I’m already out as the program brings me no enjoyment at the moment. Only question is when I’ll be back. |
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Post by Xmassader on Dec 19, 2022 23:08:44 GMT -5
I found the announcement regarding Coulibaly and Rabinovich puzzling. I went back and looked at the box scores and saw that both of them last played vs. Harvard. Coulibaly had 12 pts and 7 rebounds (perhaps his best performance in an HC uniform) and Rabs played 3 minutes. I don’t recall either of them being injured during the game, certainly not to a level that the injuries would be season ending. Perhaps they were both injured in subsequent practices.
In any case, their absence will provide us with a greater challenge both offensively and defensively against big post players like Tutic of UNH or Records of Colgate. At a minimum we are losing 10 fouls worth of 6’9” let alone some post D and rebounding. There is a cliche that states “One of the greatest abilities is availability”. Availability (or lack thereof) has been an issue for both of them during their careers.
Wish them both the best for a full recovery and greater availability down the road.
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Post by Tom on Dec 20, 2022 8:50:17 GMT -5
Only speculation on my part, but Coulibaly might not be in the same academic situation as Rabinovich
I know there was a lot of remote stuff going on, but you may recall Coulibaly didn't report to campus until 2nd semester his freshman year because of issues getting into the country during the pandemic. He might have 5 full semesters complete under his belt, but he also might be a little shy
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Post by hchoops on Dec 20, 2022 8:54:40 GMT -5
Even if Louth were a few credits shy, he has had two summers to make those credits up.
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