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Post by timholycross on Apr 1, 2023 20:12:06 GMT -5
Great finish by SD State after 7 or so minutes that, for a Final Four, was horrendous.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 1, 2023 20:15:49 GMT -5
Coming back from 14 down to win by 1 on a last second shot is not bad.
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Post by ts1970 on Apr 1, 2023 21:28:22 GMT -5
Great finish by SD State after 7 or so minutes that, for a Final Four, was horrendous. Yes, tons of missed shots by both teams during that segment, with turnovers and sloppy, seemingly disorganized plays. Final couple of minutes was exciting however.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 2, 2023 6:40:05 GMT -5
Question: Are the media time out rules a bit different in the tournament (to get more ads in)?
If might be a bit off on this but there was no under 4 stoppage; FAU called time w/3:30 or so left; then on the next whistle, 15 or so seconds later, there was a mandatory break.
Seemed to me that in the regular season, if HC called a time out in that situation, it became the media time out.
Detest how many stoppages there are in the final minute or two. Find myself rooting for teams to burn most of them earlier in the game.
And, in the end, SDSU had a time out left and chose to keep going on the most crucial possession of them game!
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Post by gks on Apr 2, 2023 12:00:42 GMT -5
Question: Are the media time out rules a bit different in the tournament (to get more ads in)? If might be a bit off on this but there was no under 4 stoppage; FAU called time w/3:30 or so left; then on the next whistle, 15 or so seconds later, there was a mandatory break. Seemed to me that in the regular season, if HC called a time out in that situation, it became the media time out. Detest how many stoppages there are in the final minute or two. Find myself rooting for teams to burn most of them earlier in the game. And, in the end, SDSU had a time out left and chose to keep going on the most crucial possession of them game! The rule is, or was if it's changed. The first called timeout becomes a TV timeout. This is in addition to the 16, 12, 8 and 4. Pretty sure networks will also break during the shorter called timeouts as well.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 3, 2023 11:05:26 GMT -5
Dana O’Neill in today’s The Athletic . But in 1979, when Dave Gavitt was piecemealing together his soon-to-be colossus Big East, “Nobody wanted UConn,” former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese says. The school didn’t fit the private, Catholic profile but more, it didn’t resonate. Successful in the small-time Yankee Conference, the Huskies lacked the panache of everyone else invited to the conference and had Father John Brooks, the president of Holy Cross, accepted Gavitt’s invitation, who knows if UConn would have made the final cut.
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Post by Xmassader on Apr 3, 2023 14:42:21 GMT -5
Dana O’Neill in today’s The Athletic . But in 1979, when Dave Gavitt was piecemealing together his soon-to-be colossus Big East, “Nobody wanted UConn,” former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese says. The school didn’t fit the private, Catholic profile but more, it didn’t resonate. Successful in the small-time Yankee Conference, the Huskies lacked the panache of everyone else invited to the conference and had Father John Brooks, the president of Holy Cross, accepted Gavitt’s invitation, who knows if UConn would have made the final cut. Some stats to ponder with the championship game several hours away: All-time HC record: 1439-1078 (.572) UConn record: 1801-1013 (.640) Pre-Big East record: HC Record: 792-417 (.655) UConn Record: 987-569 (.634) All time NCAA record: HC: 13 appearances, 8W-13L (.381), 2 Final Fours, 1 Nat. C’ship UConn: 36 appearances, 64W-32L(.667),6 Final Fours,4 C’ships Pre-Big East NCAA record: HC: 6 appearances, 7W-6L (.538), 2 Final Fours, 1 C’ship UConn: 13 appearances, 4W-14L (.222), 0 Final Fours, 0 C’ships All-time series record: HC 42 UConn 22 (.656-HC) Pre-BE series record: HC 39 UConn 15 (.722-HC) Post-BE series record: HC 3 UConn 7 (.300-HC) Looking at these figures, does anyone really fail to understand the angst of hc87 and other posters over Fr. Brooks’ fateful decision in 1979?
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Post by Chu Chu on Apr 3, 2023 19:19:31 GMT -5
Looking at these figures, does anyone really fail to understand the angst of hc87 and other posters over Fr. Brooks’ fateful decision in 1979? Devastating analysis.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 3, 2023 19:25:50 GMT -5
There are some fair arguments here, but to some of us the whole Fr. Brooks/Big East thing is ancient history not worthy of ongoing angst.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 3, 2023 19:35:26 GMT -5
There are some fair arguments here, but to some of us the whole Fr. Brooks/Big East thing is ancient history not worthy of ongoing angst. We shall be talking about it on this board for at least the next 20 years
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Post by Xmassader on Apr 3, 2023 20:20:47 GMT -5
There are some fair arguments here, but to some of us the whole Fr. Brooks/Big East thing is ancient history not worthy of ongoing angst. We shall be talking about it on this board for at least the next 20 years There probably would be less, if any, continuing talk on the subject if there was greater acknowledgement that the failure to join the Big East after rejecting two invitations was a huge mistake rather than trying to provide rationalizations for the decision. As has been said many times on this board, Fr. Brooks’ overall leadership as HC President was outstanding but the Big East decision was and remains a major mistake. The HC/UConn stats provided above are just one example of why.
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Post by alum on Apr 3, 2023 20:29:36 GMT -5
Could have made it work if we dropped football……
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 3, 2023 21:20:33 GMT -5
We shall be talking about it on this board for at least the next 20 years There probably would be less, if any, continuing talk on the subject if there was greater acknowledgement that the failure to join the Big East after rejecting two invitations was a huge mistake rather than trying to provide rationalizations for the decision. As has been said many times on this board, Fr. Brooks’ overall leadership as HC President was outstanding but the Big East decision was and remains a major mistake. The HC/UConn stats provided above are just one example of why. I acknowledge it was a huge mistake. But I salute the HC Fandom that has continued to follow the team through thick and thin. UConn has a whole state with no pro teams and no power conference teams other than the Huskies and the UConn Athletic Department runs up a whopper of an annual deficit, pays exit and entrance fees to different leagues, etc. If HC had joined the Big East, would we have a trajectory similar to PC and play our games downtown? I think HC's demographics located in a similar New England city as Providence and a similar small Catholic College as opposed to a large Catholic University in a large world class city like GU, Nova, St. John's or BC points us closest to the PC experience except HC doesn't have a whole state where it's the biggest sports story like PC has/had in Rhody.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 3, 2023 21:41:08 GMT -5
Could have made it work if we dropped football…… The Big East took football schools: BC, UConn, Syracuse. money was not the key factor, academic philosophy was
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Post by alum on Apr 3, 2023 22:55:46 GMT -5
Could have made it work if we dropped football…… The Big East took football schools: BC, UConn, Syracuse. money was not the key factor, academic philosophy was I’m not saying football was disqualifying, my argument is that we couldn’t have managed it with Title 9 and the upgrades to the minor sports which would have been necessary without becoming like PC, SJ, SH, and even Gtown at that time and done it without football.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 3, 2023 23:11:20 GMT -5
Providence, if I’m counting correctly, has 16 teams versus HC’s 25.
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Post by mm67 on Apr 4, 2023 6:21:06 GMT -5
As to joining the BE: While most on this board believe it was a mistake for HC not to join the BE, this view is not shared by all. There are many others who supported & continue to support the decision not to join the BE. It seems to me the only ones who continue to bring it up are some who wanted HC to join and they can't let go. Maybe, it is time to acknowledge that a decision has been made and while not agreeing with it, accept it has been decided & move on. The best way to stop talking about it 40 years after the fact is simply to stop talking about it. Enough already. Maybe, reciting The Serenity Prayer might help. Peace.
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Post by hc1998 on Apr 4, 2023 7:00:45 GMT -5
Looking at these figures, does anyone really fail to understand the angst of hc87 and other posters over Fr. Brooks’ fateful decision in 1979? Can I raise my hand? Looking at his username I suspect HC87 may have enrolled in the school after Fr. Brooks' fateful decision...if he is so angsty about it, he could have just gone to a Big East School. I also want to make sure I read the figures right...can I tell people if not for Fr. Brooks my alma mater would have 6 national championships and so long as whoever I am talking to is not a UCLA or Kentucky alum I can claim basketball superiority over them? That decision is nearly 45 years ago, lets move on to more recent controversies, like our failure to participate in 1-AA playoffs in the 80's
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 4, 2023 7:42:28 GMT -5
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Post by trimster on Apr 4, 2023 7:48:09 GMT -5
There are some fair arguments here, but to some of us the whole Fr. Brooks/Big East thing is ancient history not worthy of ongoing angst. We shall be talking about it on this board for at least the next 20 years Talking about the Big East decision today is like talking what happened in 1930 when Potter and Vicens arrived on the scene in the mid seventies. It’s ancient history.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 4, 2023 7:51:22 GMT -5
Getting back to the game, UConn was superior in all phases; offense, defense, rebounding.
Loved hearing George's name mentioned by Nantz.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 4, 2023 7:52:02 GMT -5
Does Coach Paulsen REALLY know what's he's got himself into?
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Post by HC92 on Apr 4, 2023 8:00:47 GMT -5
Getting back to the game, UConn was superior in all phases; offense, defense, rebounding. Loved hearing George's name mentioned by Nantz. And by Hurley on the big stage during the trophy presentation.
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Post by mm67 on Apr 4, 2023 13:20:27 GMT -5
Coach Pitino had stated UConn had a championship caliber team after his Iona Gaels lost to the Huskies. Gotta' admit the newly hired St. John's coach knows basketball.St John's will be on a nearly vertical climb to NCAA relevance under his leadership. His flaws are troubling in the extreme but the man can flat out recruit & coach.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 4, 2023 14:00:19 GMT -5
Well put, mm67. I don't like his morality (or occassional lack thereof), but you are spot on when you say he can recruit and coach!
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