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Post by HC92 on Aug 2, 2023 9:31:47 GMT -5
The cost-benefit of these things is very complicated and necessarily involves some amount of guesswork in terms of what the future will look like if you stay out or if you join a new conference. A non-exhaustive list of things to consider would include:
Impacts on Revenues: TV Money Ticket Sales Merchandise Concessions Parking Donations to the athletic fund Donations to the school overall if alums become more or less engaged due to sports programs
Impacts on Expenses: Fee to join new conference Fee to exit old conference Recruiting Budget Travel Budget Scholarship $
Other Impacts: Name recognition Applications
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Post by trimster on Aug 4, 2023 8:44:22 GMT -5
Looks like AZ will be the next school to the Big 12.
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 4, 2023 9:26:41 GMT -5
Pete Thamel just reporting that Oregon is not going to the BIG and therefore Arizona's move to the Big 12 probably on hold
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 4, 2023 11:18:33 GMT -5
Thamel now backtracking and saying Ore and Wash back in the Big conversation- which means the Big 12 expansion would follow Fl State decision on the ACC has to be made by Aug 15
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 4, 2023 12:37:55 GMT -5
Starting to feel like UCONN will ultimately end up in whatever ends up being left of the ACC.
Will be similar to the old Big East FOOTBALL conference.
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Post by trimster on Aug 4, 2023 13:40:42 GMT -5
It’s sad to see a highly respected conference like the PAC 8/10/12, the Conference of Champions, fall by the wayside. At the rate things are going, these mega conferences will see teams facing each other in football what, once every four years, maybe longer if annual rivalry games remain in place which I suspect they will.
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Post by trimster on Aug 4, 2023 13:43:30 GMT -5
Imagine a twenty team conference in hoops with two divisions. If you play everyone in your division twice and everyone in the other division once, that’s 98% of your schedule. Can a 40 game regular season be that far away?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 4, 2023 13:45:46 GMT -5
It’s sad to see a highly respected conference like the PAC 8/10/12, the Conference of Champions, fall by the wayside. At the rate things are going, these mega conferences will see teams facing each other in football what, once every four years, maybe longer if annual rivalry games remain in place which I suspect they will. Big Ten and SEC will soon be like the NFC and AFC of college football. Everyone else fighting to be best of the rest, Big 12 over a handful of years has gone from probable extension to what will likely be the #3 conference.
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Post by gks on Aug 4, 2023 13:47:11 GMT -5
It’s sad to see a highly respected conference like the PAC 8/10/12, the Conference of Champions, fall by the wayside. At the rate things are going, these mega conferences will see teams facing each other in football what, once every four years, maybe longer if annual rivalry games remain in place which I suspect they will. These conference moves is all about $$$$$. It was a no brainer for USC, UCLA, OR and WA to go to the B10. Pac 8, 10, 12 just can't compete with the dollars being thrown around. TV eyeballs east of the Mississippi River are just too great. That's why UConn is a high possibility for the Big 12.
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 4, 2023 14:36:43 GMT -5
Thamel just said on ESPN that ORE and WASH are definite to the BIG while Arizona has been accepted into the Big 12 - Can't imagine AZ State not being part of that move. What a disaster for Cal, Stanford, Wash St and Ore St. !
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Post by hc69 on Aug 4, 2023 15:14:17 GMT -5
AZ State and Utah will be next to the Big 12, not UConn. They're a package deal.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 4, 2023 15:22:15 GMT -5
Thamel just said on ESPN that ORE and WASH are definite to the BIG while Arizona has been accepted into the Big 12 - Can't imagine AZ State not being part of that move. What a disaster for Cal, Stanford, Wash St and Ore St. ! Cal and Stanford both are national brands....they will find a home.
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Post by gks on Aug 4, 2023 15:46:51 GMT -5
AZ State and Utah will be next to the Big 12, not UConn. They're a package deal. That would make 17. Think 16 is the magic number. It's either AZ State or UConn.
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Post by drjack on Aug 4, 2023 16:05:44 GMT -5
The B12 is only at 14 with Colorado and AZ joining.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 4, 2023 16:12:24 GMT -5
AZ State and Utah will be next to the Big 12, not UConn. They're a package deal. That would make 17. Think 16 is the magic number. It's either AZ State or UConn. I don't think theres a magic number anymore.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 4, 2023 17:49:32 GMT -5
Looks like ASU is in
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 4, 2023 18:32:10 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 4, 2023 19:36:01 GMT -5
Good one. I was actually joking with my dad that they should just start playing the BiG Championship Game at the Rose Bowl.
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Post by mm67 on Aug 4, 2023 19:38:01 GMT -5
UConn football unlike basketball has no interest outside of Hartford and the surrounding towns. Even in Fairfield County UConn football is met with a collective yawn. UConn's arrival in Div I is relatively recent. UConn football has not had traditional national media exposure unlike UConn basketball. But, a national footprint in basketball does not translate to football. One can point to this & that but the truth is historically UConn football ain't AU,ASU or the UTES. Connecticut taxpayers are stuck until further notice.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 4, 2023 19:48:23 GMT -5
UConn football unlike basketball has no interest outside of Hartford and the surrounding towns. Even in Fairfield County UConn football is met with a collective yawn. UConn's arrival in Div I is relatively recent. UConn football has not had traditional national media exposure unlike UConn basketball. But, a national footprint in basketball does not translate to football. One can point to this & that but the truth is historically UConn football ain't AU,ASU or the UTES. Connecticut taxpayers are stuck until further notice. While they likely will be left out of whatever becomes the "top level" of college football, I ultimately think that UConn football will find itself in a more sustainable place as a result of the coming domino effects of this current "super expansion". My hunch is that in a handful of years, they could well be playing in a conference that includes the likes of Syracuse, Pitt, Miami, BC, Temple, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia and Georgia Tech. Maybe Navy would be in the cards too => right before the Big East split in 2013, the Naval Academy had actually committed to joining as a football affiliate.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 4, 2023 19:51:51 GMT -5
UConn football unlike basketball has no interest outside of Hartford and the surrounding towns. Even in Fairfield County UConn football is met with a collective yawn. UConn's arrival in Div I is relatively recent. UConn football has not had traditional national media exposure unlike UConn basketball. But, a national footprint in basketball does not translate to football. One can point to this & that but the truth is historically UConn football ain't AU,ASU or the UTES. Connecticut taxpayers are stuck until further notice. When taxpayers are off the hook it will be announced in the Courant.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 4, 2023 19:54:34 GMT -5
UConn football unlike basketball has no interest outside of Hartford and the surrounding towns. Even in Fairfield County UConn football is met with a collective yawn. UConn's arrival in Div I is relatively recent. UConn football has not had traditional national media exposure unlike UConn basketball. But, a national footprint in basketball does not translate to football. One can point to this & that but the truth is historically UConn football ain't AU,ASU or the UTES. Connecticut taxpayers are stuck until further notice. While they likely will be left out of whatever becomes the "top level" of college football, I ultimately think that UConn football will find itself in a more sustainable place as a result of the coming domino effects of this current "super expansion". My hunch is that in a handful of years, they could well be playing in a conference that includes the likes of Syracuse, Pitt, Miami, BC, Temple, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia and Georgia Tech. Maybe Navy would be in the cards too => right before the Big East split in 2013, the Naval Academy had actually committed to joining as a football affiliate. We know the IL will glide along unchanged and oblivious to the earthquake in the rest of D-1. How about the PL?
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 4, 2023 22:09:09 GMT -5
UConn football unlike basketball has no interest outside of Hartford and the surrounding towns. Even in Fairfield County UConn football is met with a collective yawn. UConn's arrival in Div I is relatively recent. UConn football has not had traditional national media exposure unlike UConn basketball. But, a national footprint in basketball does not translate to football. One can point to this & that but the truth is historically UConn football ain't AU,ASU or the UTES. Connecticut taxpayers are stuck until further notice. UConn did play in the Fiesta Bowl back when it was a big game...
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Post by mm67 on Aug 5, 2023 9:47:04 GMT -5
Big Ten is BIG M-O-N-E-Y more so than ever - 3 time zones, coast -to coast- games from early afternoon to late at night. The Pac 12 additions bring large fan bases and a lot of additional revenue with their media markets. Big Ten & the more regional SEC are the kings of the mountain. These two are the marquee conferences. Expect Schiano to move Rutgers up a notch in league play. Their move to the Big Ten seems to have worked out financially in the long term better than expected. And, Clemson & FSU? FSU is contractually tied to the ACC till the '30's. Leaving the ACC would be prohibitively expensive. However schools from the lesser conferences such as the ACC will post winning records, possibly make the playoffs and play in bowl games. These schools will make money. The landscape is changing. ND & Stanford seem to be left in the dust. Expect recruiting to be more difficult for these schools. College football is truly a professional sport.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 5, 2023 10:00:37 GMT -5
Big Ten is BIG M-O-N-E-Y more so than ever - 3 time zones, coast -to coast- games from early afternoon to late at night. The Pac 12 additions bring large fan bases and a lot of additional revenue with their media markets. Big Ten & the more regional SEC are the kings of the mountain. These two are the marquee conferences. Expect Schiano to move Rutgers up a notch in league play. Their move to the Big Ten seems to have worked out financially in the long term better than expected. And, Clemson & FSU? FSU is contractually tied to the ACC till the '30's. Leaving the ACC would be prohibitively expensive. However schools from the lesser conferences such as the ACC will post winning records, possibly make the playoffs and play in bowl games. These schools will make money. The landscape is changing. ND & Stanford seem to be left in the dust. Expect recruiting to be more difficult for these schools. College football is truly a professional sport. This post is incomplete. It's missing your quip that never gets old, "No one ever died for dear old Rutgers."🙂 Amazing that HC is 11-8 all time vs Rutgers and they are now in the Big 10.
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