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Post by JRGNYR on Aug 7, 2023 7:46:23 GMT -5
Big Ten is BIG M-O-N-E-Y more so than ever - 3 time zones, coast -to coast- games from early afternoon to late at night. The Pac 12 additions bring large fan bases and a lot of additional revenue with their media markets. Big Ten & the more regional SEC are the kings of the mountain. These two are the marquee conferences. Expect Schiano to move Rutgers up a notch in league play. Their move to the Big Ten seems to have worked out financially in the long term better than expected. And, Clemson & FSU? FSU is contractually tied to the ACC till the '30's. Leaving the ACC would be prohibitively expensive. However schools from the lesser conferences such as the ACC will post winning records, possibly make the playoffs and play in bowl games. These schools will make money. The landscape is changing. ND & Stanford seem to be left in the dust. Expect recruiting to be more difficult for these schools. College football is truly a professional sport. This post is incomplete. It's missing your quip that never gets old, "No one ever died for dear old Rutgers."🙂 Amazing that HC is 11-8 all time vs Rutgers and they are now in the Big 10. And 3-0-0 all-time vs. Georgia.
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Post by cmo on Aug 7, 2023 9:47:46 GMT -5
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Post by Chu Chu on Aug 7, 2023 10:27:52 GMT -5
In my opinion, this realignment is a very bad thing for all of the other sports besides football. The strain and high expense of traveling long distances for many of the minor sports will likely be too much over the long term. The end result of all of this will probably be fewer college sports, providing fewer opportunities for athletes.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 7, 2023 11:08:21 GMT -5
This post is incomplete. It's missing your quip that never gets old, "No one ever died for dear old Rutgers."🙂 Amazing that HC is 11-8 all time vs Rutgers and they are now in the Big 10. And 3-0-0 all-time vs. Georgia. I think bringing in more heavyweights makes it harder for the perennial also rans to ever win anything. You mean some year Rutgers will be better than Michigan, Ohio State, USC and Penn State? And if all 4 have a down year, there is still Michigan State, Wisconsin, UCLA, Oregon and Iowa to surpass?
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 7, 2023 11:13:31 GMT -5
Uncommon source of common sense.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 7, 2023 11:16:01 GMT -5
In my opinion, this realignment is a very bad thing for all of the other sports besides football. The strain and high expense of traveling long distances for many of the minor sports will likely be too much over the long term. The end result of all of this will probably be fewer college sports, providing fewer opportunities for athletes. Most of these schools sponsor a limited number of minor sports, some if which (track, XC, swimming, golf, tennis, etc.), the only time long distance travel will be needed is the flight to the conference tournament. And I think the reason this is happening is because the increased TV revenue is more than covering the costs of cross country charter flights. But in general, yes I believe its a bad thing for rivalries and tradition. Definitely time for NCAA to start considering/allowing a structure shere conference setups are different per sport.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 7, 2023 11:37:21 GMT -5
As others have suggested, I think we will see many schools convert a lot of varsity teams to club status
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 7, 2023 11:48:41 GMT -5
As others have suggested, I think we will see many schools convert a lot of varsity teams to club status NCAA requires a minimum # of varsity sports sponsored. Most power schools are at or near the minimum already.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 7, 2023 11:53:02 GMT -5
Uncommon source of common sense. Rick knows a lot about waitresses at these restaurants...
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 7, 2023 12:02:19 GMT -5
In my opinion, this realignment is a very bad thing for all of the other sports besides football. The strain and high expense of traveling long distances for many of the minor sports will likely be too much over the long term. The end result of all of this will probably be fewer college sports, providing fewer opportunities for athletes. Most of these schools sponsor a limited number of minor sports, some if which (track, XC, swimming, golf, tennis, etc.), the only time long distance travel will be needed is the flight to the conference tournament. And I think the reason this is happening is because the increased TV revenue is more than covering the costs of cross country charter flights. But in general, yes I believe its a bad thing for rivalries and tradition. Definitely time for NCAA to start considering/allowing a structure shere conference setups are different per sport. Here is West Virginia's sports Legit Travel Men's Basketball Women's Basketball Football Women's Soccer Men's Soccer (Big 12 does NOT sponsor the sport so they play in Sun Belt) Baseball Women's Gymnastics Women's Volleyball Women's Tennis Conference Meet ONLY travel Golf Men's Swimming and Diving Women's Swimming and Diving Women's XC Women's Track and Field Women's Rowing
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 7, 2023 13:06:51 GMT -5
Definitely time for NCAA to start considering/allowing a structure share conference setups are different per sport. It's not an NCAA prohibition; in most cases, conferences require membership in all sports that they sponsor.
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Post by hc69 on Aug 7, 2023 13:27:51 GMT -5
The Power 5 conferences all sponsor at least 20 sports. B1G sponsors 30. And we're not going to see Power 5 conferences cutting sports anytime soon. Cutting sports when everyone is getting richer is a political and Title IX nightmare.
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Post by trimster on Aug 7, 2023 13:45:14 GMT -5
Among the real losers in this mess are the student-athletes who will spend mucho hours in the air which will add to the already massive amount of time college athletes devote to their sport. I almost said sports but we know the two-sport athlete has gone the way of the dodo.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 7, 2023 14:07:03 GMT -5
The Power 5 conferences all sponsor at least 20 sports. B1G sponsors 30. And we're not going to see Power 5 conferences cutting sports anytime soon. Cutting sports when everyone is getting richer is a political and Title IX nightmare. Absolute nightmare when you look at what Stanford faced a few years ago...
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 7, 2023 14:11:08 GMT -5
The Power 5 conferences all sponsor at least 20 sports. B1G sponsors 30. And we're not going to see Power 5 conferences cutting sports anytime soon. Cutting sports when everyone is getting richer is a political and Title IX nightmare. The individual schools don’t all sponsor every sport that the conferences sponsor, however. A lot of power schools can’t cut sports even if they wanted to because they sponsor the NCAA minimum, or close to it.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 7, 2023 14:13:07 GMT -5
The Power 5 conferences all sponsor at least 20 sports. B1G sponsors 30. And we're not going to see Power 5 conferences cutting sports anytime soon. Cutting sports when everyone is getting richer is a political and Title IX nightmare. Cutting male sports has actually been a regular path to achieving Title IX compliance for many schools. Cutting sports is fine for Title IX purposes as long as you don’t get your male and female athletic participation numbers out of balance as a result.
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Post by hc69 on Aug 7, 2023 15:22:53 GMT -5
The Power 5 conferences all sponsor at least 20 sports. B1G sponsors 30. And we're not going to see Power 5 conferences cutting sports anytime soon. Cutting sports when everyone is getting richer is a political and Title IX nightmare. The individual schools don’t all sponsor every sport that the conferences sponsor, however. A lot of power schools can’t cut sports even if they wanted to because they sponsor the NCAA minimum, or close to it. A quick look at the B1G shows that every school sponsors at least 21 sports. OSU sponsors 34, PSU sponsors 29.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 7, 2023 15:26:57 GMT -5
The individual schools don’t all sponsor every sport that the conferences sponsor, however. A lot of power schools can’t cut sports even if they wanted to because they sponsor the NCAA minimum, or close to it. A quick look at the B1G shows that every school sponsors at least 21 sports. OSU sponsors 34, PSU sponsors 29. I posted before that a lot of the high academic power schools tend to sponsor more non revenue-sports. And a lot of the high academic schools are in the Big Ten. OSU, Penn State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Stanford, Cal, UNC and Duke would all be examples. On the flip side of that, Alabma has just 16 varsity sports and Texas A&M just 17.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 7, 2023 16:00:47 GMT -5
A lot of folks would scoff at the notion that TOSU was “high academic”……,
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 7, 2023 16:06:50 GMT -5
Uh, that'd be me . . . . raising his hand politely.
As I said to an OSU alum when I lived there and he was trying to sell me on the idea that they were a great academic institution, my response was "with 60,000 students, I am quite sure that there are indeed many very smart students . . . . but not all of them."
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Post by efg72 on Aug 7, 2023 16:22:44 GMT -5
All schools are top academic institutions for the highly motivated student
That is why the arrogance of PL and IL schools makes no sense.
Yes we offer something special for the entire student body, but education remains about the total experience for the individual, and if an individual is about personal excellence and achievement a degree from the PL, IL, Big 10, Big 12, SEC schools are about the same for that individual. The past version of the ACC might be the strongest group of universities if we are honest.
We love our regional role but leadership over the past 40 years stripped us of the academic leadership, yet we continue to offer one of the most unique and special experiences- we must take advantage of our strengths as we recover academically to offer a sustainable future
God Bless and know that we all want greatness for a special college and it’s graduates.
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Post by mm67 on Aug 7, 2023 16:32:46 GMT -5
And 3-0-0 all-time vs. Georgia. I think bringing in more heavyweights makes it harder for the perennial also rans to ever win anything. You mean some year Rutgers will be better than Michigan, Ohio State, USC and Penn State? And if all 4 have a down year, there is still Michigan State, Wisconsin, UCLA, Oregon and Iowa to surpass? YIKES!
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Post by efg72 on Aug 7, 2023 16:42:35 GMT -5
We have a once in a century opportunity to change our future. We might be able to grab Cal, Stanford, Northwestern, Rice, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Fordham, William& Mary, and Villanova to create a special football only conference where academic attention helps us grow the value of a HC experience. In this case the brilliance 90 wide and four for 40 has even greater value
imagine Worcester with these teams playing Fitton
crazy thought but in reality people will be looking for a home in this new world of college football
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Post by matunuck on Aug 7, 2023 17:54:22 GMT -5
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Post by efg72 on Aug 7, 2023 18:25:22 GMT -5
Those that have no plan are left with an empty hand i believe we have multiple options under consideration
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