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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 19, 2023 14:22:10 GMT -5
I for one do not want the CAA. I would like efg's new Northeast super conference (iirc) or something like that.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Nov 19, 2023 14:22:48 GMT -5
I despise the PL. I stopped buying season tickets because of it. If HC joins ANY other league, I’ll re-up. Only phony academic elitists defend it. I haven't been called a "phony academic elitist" in a long time.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 19, 2023 14:36:34 GMT -5
We ain’t going anywhere anytime soon. Get over it.
Either that or write an 8 or 9 figure check to Holy Cross and then you will be heard.
I was perfectly fine with this schedule this year and had we done what we were capable of, the PL would not have held us back. 9 points for 3 losses in total against two FBS and the co-champs of our league. A 10 point loss against the IL co-champs because of a one in a million number of turnovers.
Nah, the PL didn’t hold us back so stop making excuses. You win or lose on the field. That’s where we lost it. Lots of extenuating circumstances but those are the facts.
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 19, 2023 14:42:27 GMT -5
I loved our OOC schedule this year with a couple historic rivals and the FBS games. I would drop Merrimack for a higher rated FCS team. Maybe only play one IL. Need to build SoS from out of conference games.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 19, 2023 14:48:12 GMT -5
Scheduling 2 FBS games in one year is a mistake. Did it cost us a playoff spot? Maybe.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 19, 2023 14:54:45 GMT -5
This year's schedule was near perfection imo....maybe replace Merrimack with a local CAA school and you really can't do much bettah.
I highly doubt there is another FCS school in the country that wouldn't trade our OOC quartet of BC, Army, Harvard and Yale for their OOC slate.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 19, 2023 14:57:37 GMT -5
This year's schedule was near perfection imo....maybe replace Merrimack with a local CAA school and you really can't do much bettah. I highly doubt there is another FCS school in the country that wouldn't trade our OOC quartet of BC, Army, Harvard and Yale for their OOC slate. And it’s very good again next season.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 19, 2023 14:57:51 GMT -5
Scheduling 2 FBS games in one year is a mistake. Did it cost us a playoff spot? Maybe. Don't think so. And don't believe you'll have any luck convincing anyone who played in or attended both of those games that it was a mistake.
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Post by cfrivals on Nov 19, 2023 15:00:00 GMT -5
This will be RW 2008 all over again. Will HC let the PL destroy the momentum a great coach has brought to the program. Grow the program, show Chesney HC is committed to winning at the highest level!
Or do what they have done in the past and watch the PL relationship pull them down again!
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 19, 2023 15:04:58 GMT -5
Scheduling 2 FBS games in one year is a mistake. Did it cost us a playoff spot? Maybe. Don't think so. And don't believe you'll have any luck convincing anyone who played in or attended both of those games that it was a mistake. I agree. But I think the Harvard and Yale games are not that exciting.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 19, 2023 15:11:02 GMT -5
I posted this on AGS and I'll repeat it here.....if there had to be a choice between playing at BC and at Army or participating in the FCS playoffs, I'd choose the formah all day, every day.
The FCS playoffs have been fun the last few years, but for me anyway, this year's BC and Army games meant much more, were more exciting etc
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Post by mm67 on Nov 19, 2023 15:16:43 GMT -5
HC ranked 41 in strength of schedule. Teams with easier schedules were selected. HC wasn't. The SOS/PL did not hold us back.Looking at HC's SOS How did the PL hold us back in competition with these other colleges with easier skeds?
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 19, 2023 15:19:40 GMT -5
HC ranked 41 in strength of schedule. Teams with easier schedules were selected. HC wasn't. The SOS/PL did not hold us back.Looking at HC's SOS How did the PL hold us back in competition with these other colleges with easier skeds? I would say the reputation of the PL held us back OR SoS was not as highly regarded this year (which opens up a whole can of worms on continuity and criteria).PL was 8/17 conferences according to Massey and 9/17 in SoS.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 19, 2023 15:46:37 GMT -5
Scheduling 2 FBS games in one year is a mistake. Did it cost us a playoff spot? Maybe. Which of the FBS games would you have avoided scheduling and what team would be your first choice to replace the dropped FBS team with?
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 19, 2023 15:51:42 GMT -5
Has it been stated yet that the espn playoff show listed the ‘first 4 out’ and we were there ?
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 19, 2023 16:03:09 GMT -5
Has it been stated yet that the espn playoff show listed the ‘first 4 out’ and we were there ? Yes I noted that in the comparison to the two closest CAA teams, UNH and URI who didn't get a mention at 6-5.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 19, 2023 16:14:23 GMT -5
They still wouldn't take us at 8-3 over 8-3 Delaware with the two leagues and SoS The fact that 8-3 Delaware was last team in shows the CAA isn't getting the same level of respect post-JMU. 8-3 out of the CAA used to be a virtual lock, and even 7-4 most likely you'd be in 80% of the time. UD went from maybe a seed to almost out...for losing to a great Villanova team. What are you talking about? UD wasn’t even in the last 4 in category? Last four in were Mercer, Chatty, Sac State and YSU. HC was first four out with EIU, UT Martin and UC Davis. Some pundits didn’t even have HC in the first 5 out. Committee gave us a fair shake. Win at BC, v Harvard OR at Army and we are in at 8-3.
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Post by cmo on Nov 19, 2023 16:25:45 GMT -5
The host mentioned Delaware as “last team in” but he meant last team’s graphic they showed.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 19, 2023 16:32:10 GMT -5
We ain’t going anywhere anytime soon. Get over it. Either that or write an 8 or 9 figure check to Holy Cross and then you will be heard. I was perfectly fine with this schedule this year and had we done what we were capable of, the PL would not have held us back. 9 points for 3 losses in total against two FBS and the co-champs of our league. A 10 point loss against the IL co-champs because of a one in a million number of turnovers. Nah, the PL didn’t hold us back so stop making excuses. You win or lose on the field. That’s where we lost it. Lots of extenuating circumstances but those are the facts. PL didn’t help us at all, but didn’t kill us. I said losing to Laffy cost us, and because the league is so poorly promoted and regarded outside of the Philly region, I can’t imagine the league getting a 2nd bid in the future unless it is another HC and Fordham situation like in 2022. if you recall during his interview the chairman of the selection committee said he voted against HC to be a seed last year so yes if you want to play in the playoffs each year, and figure most years you will have one bad game in conference, the PL might not be the preferred choice. However, ’if you take care of your conference games each year you are good to go, and the PL bid gives you a seat at an otherwise unfriendly table- - a table controlled by the power conferences in the FCS as has been stated by others Holy Cross is not going to leave the conference any time soon, if at all. it will be a busy month ahead solving roster needs and possible 5t/6th year players returning. Relax and give this a week for the coaches to take a brief break, the players to go home for a few days, and we all have a safe and blessed Thanksgiving.
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 19, 2023 16:48:04 GMT -5
The situation last year with seeding (play in a weak league, weak schedule) and this year with our record (better league rating, good SoS, no ranked wins), reminds me of a quote by Jesus: "For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon’; the Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ (Lk 7:33-35). I still think we should have been a higher seed last year.
What more do they want from us? Join the Valley? Hope Laffy wins and then miraculously pounds the bleep out of Montana.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 19, 2023 16:59:58 GMT -5
Scheduling 2 FBS games in one year is a mistake. Did it cost us a playoff spot? Maybe. Don't think so. And don't believe you'll have any luck convincing anyone who played in or attended both of those games that it was a mistake. Last year we had 1 FBS game. Next year we have 1 FBS game. I think that’s a better number for us.
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Post by 78purple on Nov 19, 2023 17:00:45 GMT -5
When you are preseason number 5 team in the nation and don't make the playoffs, it is a disappointment. The overall finish is a disappointment (assuming no miracle playoff berth) but the team's performance wasn't a disappointment if that makes sense. In 2022, we were extremely fortunate when it came to staying healthy, minus losing Dobbs. And last year could've ended up the same way as this season without the Sluka-to-Coker Hail Mary against Buffalo, the 4th and 16 TD completion at Lafayette and the Philly Special 2pt conversion in OT against Fordham. Instead of 11-0 and a seed, we'd have been 8-3 with our best win being Yale, who was Ivy standalone champ but not in the Top 25. Agree with 2022 assessment, and the fact the 2023 coaching job was probably better given the number of injuries ( 6 freshmen playing on defense in the second half of the season ) The PL had 2 berths last year, but the fact of the matter was that 2022 Fordham was a better #2 PL choice than 2023 HC Not a big believer of pre-season polls, but the ranking didn't change after the BC game, and barely changed after the Army game.......The killers were the home losses, particularly against an unheralded Lafayette team ( although they should after beaten us in 2022, as noted )..If you have national championship aspirations, you have to dominate a disrepected league, and we really didn't......we were better OOC, with the exception of the Harvard debacle But, the PL respect card is real......7 ( seven !!!) 4 loss teams got in....not us......SoS should have been good enough. And, you'd think the Committee would want to increase interest in the tournament by keeping a generational talent like Sluka ( and for that matter, Dobbs and Coker ) on the field.......Do we know who the PL representative on the Committee was ?? In the end, a blocked punt ( when was the last time HC had a punt blocked ?? ) and a lightning strike changed the outcome........we simply didn't do enough
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Post by efg72 on Nov 19, 2023 17:09:38 GMT -5
Don't think so. And don't believe you'll have any luck convincing anyone who played in or attended both of those games that it was a mistake. Last year we had 1 FBS game. Next year we have 1 FBS game. I think that’s a better number for us. I like two, but will accept one if we schedule two power conference - not CAA games as well with one H and one away each year the reason for two buy games is it pays In the neighborhood of $ 1 million plus
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 19, 2023 17:41:56 GMT -5
The fact that 8-3 Delaware was last team in shows the CAA isn't getting the same level of respect post-JMU. 8-3 out of the CAA used to be a virtual lock, and even 7-4 most likely you'd be in 80% of the time. UD went from maybe a seed to almost out...for losing to a great Villanova team. What are you talking about? UD wasn’t even in the last 4 in category? Last four in were Mercer, Chatty, Sac State and YSU. HC was first four out with EIU, UT Martin and UC Davis. Some pundits didn’t even have HC in the first 5 out. Committee gave us a fair shake. Win at BC, v Harvard OR at Army and we are in at 8-3. I read a post on this board saying that Delaware was "last team in". Figured that was stated on the selection show that I didn't watch. That's all. Thanks for the correction. Because yea UD as "last team in" doesn't make sense.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 19, 2023 17:45:54 GMT -5
What are you talking about? UD wasn’t even in the last 4 in category? Last four in were Mercer, Chatty, Sac State and YSU. HC was first four out with EIU, UT Martin and UC Davis. Some pundits didn’t even have HC in the first 5 out. Committee gave us a fair shake. Win at BC, v Harvard OR at Army and we are in at 8-3. I read a post on this board saying that Delaware was "last team in". Figured that was stated on the selection show that I didn't watch. That's all. Thanks for the correction. Because yea UD as "last team in" doesn't make sense. Soooo let's retract the idea/hope that the CAA gets no respect. They got 4 teams in. Two seeded and two at-large. We had 1 (the auto-bid).
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