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Post by efg72 on Nov 19, 2023 20:59:53 GMT -5
If that is what happens with the Giants bring Chris back the same day
and figure out a role later
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Post by newadvisor on Nov 19, 2023 21:02:51 GMT -5
If Chesney were to leave, he's gonna do it quick. Simply for recruiting issues at potential new school before first signing day. What would really throw a wrench in everything, Ches leaves and does he poach a handful of kids??? Coker has a real chance to move on to FBS program or give the NFL a chance!! Sluka, do you come back if the majority of O Line leave. Not easy to find 5 guys who can hold blocks long enough for Matt to improvise the way he does.. I think this thing sorts itself out pretty soon. The question is are we prepared for any or all of this if it happens?? Lets all hope for the best.. If a student plays four seasons at HC and graduates he can attend any graduate school he wants to and play for as many additional seasons he can. That is not poaching and if it happens to be at a school a former HC coach has moved to, that is fine and I'll root for them both. Undergraduates have a right to attend whatever college they choose so poaching really isn't possible. It's not ok to try to handcuff a student athlete to a college he doesn't want to attend and claim the current college is a victim if he transfers. That's what the Portal and NIL are all about, the rights of student athletes. Didn't mean to jump on you. Jump all you want, I'm just offering my 2 cents.. Maybe poaching isn't a great way to articulate my thoughts on this. What I mean't was the possibility of some starters/not graduates moving on putting the football program at a disadvantage. I'm certain the college wouldn't feel victimized by a handful of athletes leaving, but the program would feel it.. This only happens I believe if Chesney decides to take a new job.. If he leaves what would it do to our new incoming class?? Funny we are taking it this far when Ches is still here.. By the way NIL will become more prevalent in the FCS.. Those that take advantage of NIL will see there recruiting stock increase dramatically.. Most of the Missouri Valley offer pretty substantial NIL deals, I can see this becoming the norm for competitive programs. JMO
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Post by hc2020 on Nov 19, 2023 21:11:24 GMT -5
The only seniors I have heard who are returning are C Christo Kelly (he will be recovering from an Achilles injury), OL Declan McCauley and LB Matt Kane. Most have made clear they are moving on, some to continue playing elsewhere and pursue a post-grad degree and others to put their degree to work. I have also heard that a few sophomores and juniors are planning on entering the portal based upon circumstances that existed this season.
Regardless of how this plays out, next year’s squad will be quite different. Given the talent that is walking out the door, I don’t think it is realistic to think next year’s team will be as talented.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 19, 2023 21:16:02 GMT -5
Not based on just what he said but his tone and attitude, I am pretty confident that Coach Chesney will be with us next season. If some school dangles enough money, it is always possible he’ll follow the money, but I don’t think so. He made his case that we have a lot coming back to have an even more successful season than this year.
Talking to him, you can tell that he was disappointed with the results but not the players. I think he wants another crack at this while at Holy Cross.
Of course, I could be totally misreading the man. 🤷♂️
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Post by hcpride on Nov 19, 2023 21:24:19 GMT -5
Article on Syracuse.com lists MANY candidates to consider (dream candidates, those with Syracuse ties, sitting head coaches and Power-Five coordinators) and includes this regarding a sitting head coach we know: Bob Chesney, Holy Cross
The success of Lance Leipold at Wisconsin-Whitewater, then Buffalo and then Kansas could encourage more schools to take a look at coaches thriving at lower levels.Chesney has won more than 70% of his games at the Division III, Division II and FCS level.
Chesney, 46, has coached in the Northeast at Salve Regina, Assumption and Holy Cross, all of which are difficult places to win. The Crusaders lost by only a field goal against Boston College earlier this season and are 7-4.
Hiring him would be a risky move given the complete lack of familiarity with the FBS level. Leipold is proving that bold moves can pay off, but he was also winning national titles.www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2023/11/syracuse-football-coaching-candidates-who-are-potential-options-to-replace-dino-babers.html
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Post by alum on Nov 19, 2023 21:37:36 GMT -5
The only seniors I have heard who are returning are C Christo Kelly (he will be recovering from an Achilles injury), OL Declan McCauley and LB Matt Kane. Most have made clear they are moving on, some to continue playing elsewhere and pursue a post-grad degree and others to put their degree to work. I have also heard that a few sophomores and juniors are planning on entering the portal based upon circumstances that existed this season. Regardless of how this plays out, next year’s squad will be quite different. Given the talent that is walking out the door, I don’t think it is realistic to think next year’s team will be as talented. Certainly, the coaching staff went with some freshmen on the defensive side of the ball when injuries opened up spots. I can see some sophs and juniors deciding that better opportunities might be found elsewhere.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 19, 2023 21:42:20 GMT -5
If Chesney were to leave, he's gonna do it quick. Simply for recruiting issues at potential new school before first signing day. What would really throw a wrench in everything, Ches leaves and does he poach a handful of kids??? Coker has a real chance to move on to FBS program or give the NFL a chance!! Sluka, do you come back if the majority of O Line leave. Not easy to find 5 guys who can hold blocks long enough for Matt to improvise the way he does.. I think this thing sorts itself out pretty soon. The question is are we prepared for any or all of this if it happens?? Lets all hope for the best.. I don't think this indicates Chesney to Syracuse, but their unusual timing (with a winnable regular season game remaining on the docket) might mean something regarding their next coach. (I have no idea what). At the risk of upsetting a couple of posters, I don't think Matt Sluka is a realistic fit as a one-year FBS transfer QB or NFL QB. If he really wants to play QB for another year, his best option is here. As far as our line blocking long enough for him to sluke, it has worked for four years (not just one or two) and I don't see why it would stop. Or he could transition to another role for us that might better align with his NFL prospects. Coker is NFL or FBS to NFL.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 19, 2023 21:45:11 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 19, 2023 22:12:50 GMT -5
The only seniors I have heard who are returning are C Christo Kelly (he will be recovering from an Achilles injury), OL Declan McCauley and LB Matt Kane. Most have made clear they are moving on, some to continue playing elsewhere and pursue a post-grad degree and others to put their degree to work. I have also heard that a few sophomores and juniors are planning on entering the portal based upon circumstances that existed this season. Regardless of how this plays out, next year’s squad will be quite different. Given the talent that is walking out the door, I don’t think it is realistic to think next year’s team will be as talented. Interesting that you give such credence and a voice to rumors (what else would you call statements that include "I have heard" with no attribution) and then make statements that seem to accept such unknowns as fact. Yes, next year's squad will be different - as this year's was different from last years. Of course one or more players lost to injury can have the same effect. "I have heard" that some players may get hurt next year. Does that mean we should make decisions basbed on what might happen? Increase depth, of course, but what else? BTW "graduating" is a far cry from "walking out the door," isn't it? From what I have heard about the freshmen and our incoming recruits, next year's team, though different, might well end up being more talented overall. In that regard, only time will tell.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 19, 2023 23:21:40 GMT -5
Pretty good company for Jump Ball Jalen
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Post by saderfam17 on Nov 19, 2023 23:40:58 GMT -5
Team certainly gutted it out this year, great group of people in the community too! A few critiques for next year regarding team development and game day experience to get back into the national championship discussion and keep it rolling!
TEAM- young defense must continue to develop... DBs need better ball awareness... too many dropped in right over their shoulders past few years ... Dline keep getting stronger... LBs will have to step up without Jake... Offensive play calling- I was not impressed this year... very predictable, odd timing of calls and poor play design... predictable in the sense that the offense relied on either a slightly off tackle run (mostly Sluka) or go deep to Coker... not much went downhill right at the Dfense from a run standpoint and in the pass game there was hardly ever an in between route (10yards) in the middle of the field... also we would run the ball after every big momentum play that we didnt score, only to get stuffed on that next play.. there also were hardly any true counter plays, it seemed to be left up to the backs to find the holes... odd in the sense that we would get inside the 10 and try to pass with multiple WRs frequently- the field gets smaller there its hard to throw... run the ball right at them or force 1 on 1 match ups with their DBs like we did last year or come up with some kind of play action roll out- ...poor play design- the times we had shorter routes designed we had 2 or 3 receivers in the same area and many times to the short side of the field- made them easy to cover, Matt would tuck and run much of the time... many of our perimeter runs were to the short side of the field as well... both designs leave less real estate for our better athletes to maneuver, and the congestion just begs for a turnover...thankfully our offensive talent across the board allowed us to pull through in many situations but we didn't do ourselves any favors with the play calling... need to develop the underneath passing game, using spacing to our advantage, and rely less on the ability of our QB to run/ scramble...especially if Matt is not here...
Game Day-weather certainly tough this year but PARKING $35 to get into the garage and I think $25 in the west lot and freshman field is RIDICULOUS- no casual fan will pay that to park for an HC game right now, even if their game tickets are free... we need to continue to engage the worcester community to get as many people in the seats as we can to cheer these young men on- this takes winning, scheduling interesting opponents, and having a solid game day experience... the cost of parking is a major deterrent
TARPS -bring back the tarps in the endzone seats- I would even put them up in the corners of the visitors side- the end zone tarp with the logo is our single biggest billboard to the Worcester Community... the visitors side line you could put the PL trophy images, years, or make the ring of honor numbers more visible- looking across from the home side even at the fordham and yale games last year and the stadium had a weird feel too it.. you knew people were around you but it looked empty across the way and in the end zone.. odd feeling... looks bad on TV too... this would help address that ...I've been on the field for games when the tarps were there and when they are not ... very different feel, much better with... they can be rolled back if we get a really big crowd again some day too...
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 20, 2023 2:03:41 GMT -5
The only seniors I have heard who are returning are C Christo Kelly (he will be recovering from an Achilles injury), OL Declan McCauley and LB Matt Kane. Most have made clear they are moving on, some to continue playing elsewhere and pursue a post-grad degree and others to put their degree to work. I have also heard that a few sophomores and juniors are planning on entering the portal based upon circumstances that existed this season. Regardless of how this plays out, next year’s squad will be quite different. Given the talent that is walking out the door, I don’t think it is realistic to think next year’s team will be as talented. Interesting that you give such credence and a voice to rumors (what else would you call statements that include "I have heard" with no attribution) and then make statements that seem to accept such unknowns as fact. Yes, next year's squad will be different - as this year's was different from last years. Of course one or more players lost to injury can have the same effect. "I have heard" that some players may get hurt next year. Does that mean we should make decisions basbed on what might happen? Increase depth, of course, but what else? BTW "graduating" is a far cry from "walking out the door," isn't it? From what I have heard about the freshmen and our incoming recruits, next year';s team, though different, might well end up being more takented overall. In that regard, only time will tell. I agree. People vent more than they act.
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 20, 2023 6:43:01 GMT -5
The only seniors I have heard who are returning are C Christo Kelly (he will be recovering from an Achilles injury), OL Declan McCauley and LB Matt Kane. Most have made clear they are moving on, some to continue playing elsewhere and pursue a post-grad degree and others to put their degree to work. I have also heard that a few sophomores and juniors are planning on entering the portal based upon circumstances that existed this season. Regardless of how this plays out, next year’s squad will be quite different. Given the talent that is walking out the door, I don’t think it is realistic to think next year’s team will be as talented. So this is interesting. Because it’s not true. There will be more than 3 kids returning. Prob about 8 5th years and possibly a few 6th years. And this same poster has said this about kids transferring in the past because of lack of playing time or not being included on an away trip. But this same poster was wrong about that in the past as well. What happens isn’t the kids saying they are upset. It’s the parents of the kids being upset because their Timmy didn’t play as much as they think they should have. Sure a Frosh or two or a Soph or two might jump. Overall the Coavhes aren’t too concerned with that. The guys they need and want will be here. Just want to make sure the people on this board have the actual facts straight versus a disgruntled view of a players experience who didn’t play much. And to clarify. Christo has high ankle sprain. Not Achilles.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 20, 2023 7:01:17 GMT -5
I won’t pretend I have the insight that DHarry has but in my short conversation with BC, he expressed that there would be more returnees than most people seem to expect and I think why he’s optimistic about next season.
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Post by dasbulldog on Nov 20, 2023 7:17:54 GMT -5
I must say it's hard to read that some kids might leave because of playing time or things are not going the way they may have wanted . Also I understand for most of you it's what's best for team . But at the end of the day it's what's best for the player as a student as well. Don't forget the coaches sit in that players home and preach that it's just not about the next 4 or 5 and that its about the next 40 . I don't know about some but I wouldn't throw away paid or partially paid education because it didn't work out for a year or 2... the time will come.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Nov 20, 2023 8:11:07 GMT -5
Team certainly gutted it out this year, great group of people in the community too! A few critiques for next year regarding team development and game day experience to get back into the national championship discussion and keep it rolling! TEAM- young defense must continue to develop... DBs need better ball awareness... too many dropped in right over their shoulders past few years ... Dline keep getting stronger... LBs will have to step up without Jake... Offensive play calling- I was not impressed this year... very predictable, odd timing of calls and poor play design... predictable in the sense that the offense relied on either a slightly off tackle run (mostly Sluka) or go deep to Coker... not much went downhill right at the Dfense from a run standpoint and in the pass game there was hardly ever an in between route (10yards) in the middle of the field... also we would run the ball after every big momentum play that we didnt score, only to get stuffed on that next play.. there also were hardly any true counter plays, it seemed to be left up to the backs to find the holes... odd in the sense that we would get inside the 10 and try to pass with multiple WRs frequently- the field gets smaller there its hard to throw... run the ball right at them or force 1 on 1 match ups with their DBs like we did last year or come up with some kind of play action roll out- ...poor play design- the times we had shorter routes designed we had 2 or 3 receivers in the same area and many times to the short side of the field- made them easy to cover, Matt would tuck and run much of the time... many of our perimeter runs were to the short side of the field as well... both designs leave less real estate for our better athletes to maneuver, and the congestion just begs for a turnover...thankfully our offensive talent across the board allowed us to pull through in many situations but we didn't do ourselves any favors with the play calling... need to develop the underneath passing game, using spacing to our advantage, and rely less on the ability of our QB to run/ scramble...especially if Matt is not here... Game Day-weather certainly tough this year but PARKING $35 to get into the garage and I think $25 in the west lot and freshman field is RIDICULOUS- no casual fan will pay that to park for an HC game right now, even if their game tickets are free... we need to continue to engage the worcester community to get as many people in the seats as we can to cheer these young men on- this takes winning, scheduling interesting opponents, and having a solid game day experience... the cost of parking is a major deterrent TARPS -bring back the tarps in the endzone seats- I would even put them up in the corners of the visitors side- the end zone tarp with the logo is our single biggest billboard to the Worcester Community... the visitors side line you could put the PL trophy images, years, or make the ring of honor numbers more visible- looking across from the home side even at the fordham and yale games last year and the stadium had a weird feel too it.. you knew people were around you but it looked empty across the way and in the end zone.. odd feeling... looks bad on TV too... this would help address that ...I've been on the field for games when the tarps were there and when they are not ... very different feel, much better with... they can be rolled back if we get a really big crowd again some day too... I was surprised to see the $35.00 garage parking. How about $10, $20 at the most? I parked at the top of the hill. The tarp is a good idea; I don't know if it's practical. I was disappointed in the concessions. There were 3 or 4 beer/wine stands but not much food. What is it with HC and concessions? The new Jesuit residence and the town houses look very nice.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 20, 2023 9:04:11 GMT -5
The only seniors I have heard who are returning are C Christo Kelly (he will be recovering from an Achilles injury), OL Declan McCauley and LB Matt Kane. Most have made clear they are moving on, some to continue playing elsewhere and pursue a post-grad degree and others to put their degree to work. I have also heard that a few sophomores and juniors are planning on entering the portal based upon circumstances that existed this season. Regardless of how this plays out, next year’s squad will be quite different. Given the talent that is walking out the door, I don’t think it is realistic to think next year’s team will be as talented. Hopefully, we are in the final stages of Varsity Blues’ passive aggressive attempts to root for this program’s demise. Chesney leaving would be ideal for him so he can find another college chat board to talk down Bob anonymously and leave the HC program fighting uphill. However, soon enough he’ll have a private company to meddle in when his adult son isn’t getting the promotion or pay raise he so deserves. As for his claims, I highly doubt several sophomores and juniors are transferring, especially those that have been or are likely future contributors. The Senior class will be tough this year because of so many circumstances. 1) Many have been playing through tons of pain just to be out there on Saturday. A weekly injection in one’s back, shoulder or knee can get very old. Plus, many 5th/6th years are more dependent on HC trying to build some sort of graduate studies programs with Assumption, Clark, Worcester State etc. This is a year when no graduate programs could be the difference for some. Eric Schon for example, given his VISA status will be incentivized to get the best grad degree possible. What could very well happen is a few guys test the waters and potentially come back to HC (I.e Derek Ng) depending upon how several HC initiatives play out. While I would love to have the likes of Matt, Jalen and even Dobbs back for another year, we have to look out for these kids first and what’s best for them. Jalen is at minimum a high end UDFA which equates to a 100-150k signing bonus. He has to take that unless his NIL value is close and a big year at a P4 FBS could cause his stock to rise to at least the 4/5th round. I still think Matt has meaningful value to at least a handful of P4 FBS w/ some very good NIL attached to it. Second to only Chesney, Jake Dobbs is the lifeblood of this turnaround at HC. Whatever his goals for the rest of his life, I for one will be there to support him.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 20, 2023 10:06:12 GMT -5
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Post by football44 on Nov 20, 2023 10:06:49 GMT -5
Okay I've held back and read all of the post above. Yes all of us are disappointed in the end results of the season and not being chosen in the playoffs. But let's stop with the noise about sophomore's and juniors transferring out of the program. Not happening!! What both DHarry and Midwest have stated above is accurate information. Matt Sluka is moving on to greener pastures and we thank him and wish him well. Jalen Coker is moving on and we thank him and wish him well in the future. Jake Dobb is also moving on and he has been a true example of class his whole time at HC. I love all of these kids, but it is time for them to move on and the next crop of HC players have to step up. Why no sophomore's or juniors are leaving the program? If they do leave it's because they aren't good enough to play for Bob Chesney and Scott James. This is college ball not high school. You can't talk to the coach to get your kid on the field in college. If the kid can't play then he's out. The defense strengthened itself for the future by playing freshmen and getting them game experience. Our defense is going to be topflight next year. The adjustment will be on offense when we go back to a more traditional quarterback system (Pesansky,Forcucci, Frattura, Jenkins). so everyone, relax we are going to be fine. Hang in there!!!
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Post by hchoops on Nov 20, 2023 10:50:56 GMT -5
Parents may not be a factor in college football decisions but they certainly are in basketball, even at the highest levels
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Post by drjack on Nov 20, 2023 11:24:14 GMT -5
Sluka, Dobbs, and Schon just entered the portal as grad transfers. Dobbs is weighing whether to go pro, and Schon is looking to play while getting his masters (smart man).
I'd expect some more names to follow later today (no inside info, just makes sense to enter asap in my opinion), and it'll be interesting to see who doesn't enter.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 20, 2023 11:37:16 GMT -5
Eric seems to be thinking that if the NFL doesn't work out (he doesn't have an interest in CFL), he'd be inclined to go to law school and become an attorney (yeah, this country doesn't have enough lawyers! But maybe he's thinking Canada?) . He promised me he would NOT go to BC! He made clear that he's taken Coach Chesney's mantra to heart that it's not 4 years, it's 40 years to plan on.
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 20, 2023 11:44:34 GMT -5
Is there a transfer portal tracker that we all have access to?
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 20, 2023 11:44:44 GMT -5
Give me 5 minutes with him - I'll talk him out of becoming a lawyer.
As a native Canadian, he would like be a top 5 pick in the CFL native draft - if they still do that.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 20, 2023 11:51:19 GMT -5
The only seniors I have heard who are returning are C Christo Kelly (he will be recovering from an Achilles injury), OL Declan McCauley and LB Matt Kane. Most have made clear they are moving on, some to continue playing elsewhere and pursue a post-grad degree and others to put their degree to work. I have also heard that a few sophomores and juniors are planning on entering the portal based upon circumstances that existed this season. Regardless of how this plays out, next year’s squad will be quite different. Given the talent that is walking out the door, I don’t think it is realistic to think next year’s team will be as talented. Actually, the overall talent on the roster next year might be up a tick. We lose some key performers, generational players and leaders, but the cupboard is not bare. There is a tremendous opportunity to add some great talent in this recruiting class when the committed players sign their LOI in December along with the young players that earned time and developed this year. If there are younger players seeking portal options, I would be disappointed and surprised, given few players have the opportunities they think exist. If they are leaving because of playing time, I am not sure they fit the team first culture at Holy Cross and indeed might be happier elsewhere. Either way I wish them success and happiness in their future. We will be a different team, as that is the nature of the game, but we will be good and not be the target of every opponent. Our schedule next year is equally challenging and spring ball will be an important opportunity to reload and teach. Thank you to the seniors/5th year players for your commitment to Holy Cross, Football and the Worcester Community. You gave your heart and soul to the team approach and building a special culture which is the future of Holy Cross Football. Your next forty begin soon, so I hope you reach out to posters, graduates on LinkedIn, and recommendations from 90 wide and other to find a mentor/mentors. Like this year we will be very good, how good begins today. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you
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