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Post by drjack on Dec 8, 2023 11:33:58 GMT -5
FWIW, KH values prior head coaching experience., I was surprised that ADKH seemed to make prior experience as a head coach seemingly a pre-req. Disqualifies some good and interesting names. Would be a big mistake if he's eliminating all non prior HCs , imo.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 8, 2023 11:43:10 GMT -5
I was surprised that ADKH seemed to make prior experience as a head coach seemingly a pre-req. Disqualifies some good and interesting names. Would be a big mistake if he's eliminating all non prior HCs , imo. I don’t think it’s necessarily a mandatory prerequisite, but those candidates without head coaching experience would have to blow away the interview process as they have clear hurdles to overcome. There is no substitute for someone that has done a job and done it well. As with any job, one’s track record in a comparable role has a much higher correlation of future success. Smith and/or James will and should have to demonstrate a rare level of competence, vastly exceeding the other candidates given the moment. Just my opinion.
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Post by 78purple on Dec 8, 2023 13:44:33 GMT -5
Would be a big mistake if he's eliminating all non prior HCs , imo. I don’t think it’s necessarily a mandatory prerequisite, but those candidates without head coaching experience would have to blow away the interview process as they have clear hurdles to overcome. There is no substitute for someone that has done a job and done it well. As with any job, one’s track record in a comparable role has a much higher correlation of future success. Smith and/or James will and should have to demonstrate a rare level of competence, vastly exceeding the other candidates given the moment. Just my opinion. I also think Northeast/New England connections will be high on the list as well
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Post by HC92 on Dec 8, 2023 14:35:47 GMT -5
Someone mentioned this already but the ability to build a staff quickly is also important. Some of the prior staff will stay at HC and probably will be more likely to stay if we stay “in house” but I’m sure some will be off to JMU or elsewhere regardless of who we hire. Critical time of year to have a fully functioning staff.
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Post by hc17 on Dec 8, 2023 16:29:50 GMT -5
Found myself researching Toerper a bit more today & while he inherited a strong program, he's continued that momentum at Ithaca. In hearing him speak, I'm reminded of Chesney with his energy & enthusiasm.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 8, 2023 17:35:32 GMT -5
In 2017, a guy named indianhoop constantly spoke about how attractive an FCS head coaching gig the Holy Cross job was. Many of us rolled our eyes, including myself. The Duffer era was a one off right? Times have changed, I thought. And low and behold we landed Bob Chesney who was lucky enough to be right in our home city.
And this time around it really is clear, this is a great opening for someone up to the challenge. I think we could go one of several ways and still hit a home run on this one.
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Post by td128 on Dec 10, 2023 12:08:53 GMT -5
Aside from the comment that I shared on this thread from Mark Duffner in regard to the fact that, "there is no better place to coach college football than Holy Cross", I have had a number of other exchanges with people and executives in and around both college and professional football. Decorum dictates that I keep names in confidence but the consistent point made is the attractiveness of the Holy Cross head football coaching position at this point in time.
While Bob Chesney has moved on and we all wish him well, the simple fact is HCFB is in a special position now for a number of reasons that have not changed nor departed but continue to distinguish the program and our college in the marketplace. From facilities to quality of the people (on and off campus/90-Wide), academics, current student-athletes and ability to continue to attract high quality prospects (above PL level) from high quality families and high quality schools, ALL of these factors are special and are reasons for generating strong interest.
On that note, I will share one statement from an Executive within one NFL front office who interacts extensively with people in the world of college and professional football. He reached out to me and offered the following, "I have had a number of contacts throughout the football world reach out with interest in the job."
IMO, we are transitioning leadership in our program from a position of strength in the marketplace and that position did not happen by accident but due to many years of effort and discipline by hundreds of people who remain connected to the program. These people are hard at work and laser focused in sustaining success of HCFB.
Fight Hard for Holy Cross!!
Let's Win . . . and win we will !! Count on it.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 10, 2023 12:13:46 GMT -5
Found myself researching Toerper a bit more today & while he inherited a strong program, he's continued that momentum at Ithaca. In hearing him speak, I'm reminded of Chesney with his energy & enthusiasm. He’s gonna have opportunities either with HC or others. Has the “it” factor and the “players coach” brand is a big deal.
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Post by 78purple on Dec 10, 2023 13:21:37 GMT -5
Aside from the comment that I shared on this thread from Mark Duffner in regard to the fact that, "there is no better place to coach college football than Holy Cross", I have had a number of other exchanges with people and executives in and around both college and professional football. Decorum dictates that I keep names in confidence but the consistent point made is the attractiveness of the Holy Cross head football coaching position at this point in time.
While Bob Chesney has moved on and we all wish him well, the simple fact is HCFB is in a special position now for a number of reasons that have not changed nor departed but continue to distinguish the program and our college in the marketplace. From facilities to quality of the people (on and off campus/90-Wide), academics, current student-athletes and ability to continue to attract high quality prospects (above PL level) from high quality families and high quality schools, ALL of these factors are special and are reasons for generating strong interest.
On that note, I will share one statement from an Executive within one NFL front office who interacts extensively with people in the world of college and professional football. He reached out to me and offered the following, "I have had a number of contacts throughout the football world reach out with interest in the job."
IMO, we are transitioning leadership in our program from a position of strength in the marketplace and that position did not happen by accident but due to many years of effort and discipline by hundreds of people who remain connected to the program. These people are hard at work and laser focused in sustaining success of HCFB.
Fight Hard for Holy Cross!!
Let's Win . . . and win we will !! Count on it. Hear, hear !!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 10, 2023 13:36:29 GMT -5
Very encouraging feedback, 128.
I’m still very nervous that if we don’t have the benefit of a bunch of fifth year guys, do we have a perfect regular season and reach the quarters in 2022? Without those fifth years, I fear that a ceiling Is placed on this program and we won’t be able to truly compete with the best programs in the Big Sky, CAA, SoCon and Valley.
What’s our record in 2022 without Terrel Prince, Liam Anderson, John Smith, Peter Oliver, Walter Reynolds, Jake Reichwein, Nick Olsofka, Dan Kuznetsov.
Don’t mean to derail the thread, but this is something HC really needs to figure out how to handle.
You could argue that Chesney is still coaching here if we don’t benefit from that fifth year class in 2022…because we don’t have the season we did without them.
All that said, while HC is definitely San attractive job, does it lose its luster a bit with this self inflicted handcuff?
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 10, 2023 13:51:48 GMT -5
Very encouraging feedback, 128. I’m still very nervous that if we don’t have the benefit of a bunch of fifth year guys, do we have a perfect regular season and reach the quarters in 2022? Without those fifth years, I fear that a ceiling Is placed on this program and we won’t be able to truly compete with the best programs in the Big Sky, CAA, SoCon and Valley. What’s our record in 2022 without Terrel Prince, Liam Anderson, John Smith, Peter Oliver, Walter Reynolds, Jake Reichwein, Nick Olsofka, Dan Kuznetsov. Don’t mean to derail the thread, but this is something HC really needs to figure out how to handle. You could argue that Chesney is still coaching here if we don’t benefit from that fifth year class in 2022…because we don’t have the season we did without them. All that said, while HC is definitely San attractive job, does it lose its luster a bit with this self inflicted handcuff? talent acquisition through the portal is something that HC has control over and will have to figure out how to manage in this new world. Non-medical red shirts is a patriot league issue which we can collectively lobby for but ultimately it’s a conference decision. I do expect some reforms to be made after Covid 5th year eligibility expires in ‘24. Those conversations have been taking place.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 10, 2023 14:58:53 GMT -5
SoV, I think you have to credit Chesney for retaining so many fifth years in 2022. Stiegelmeier mentioned the abundance of fifth years in their joint session at the Football Coaches convention. I think having team cohesion and team unity is a hallmark of Chesney's approach to coaching. All for one, and one for all.
Or, as Henry V, while camped at the commune of Azincourt# replied to the Earl of Westmoreland,##
"Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he’ll remember with advantages What feats he did that day: then shall our names. Familiar in his mouth as household words Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter, Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester, Be in their flowing cups freshly remember’d. This story shall the good man teach his son; And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by, From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be remember’d; We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition: And gentlemen in England now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day."
# Agincourt in the English spelling ## In the First Folio. Shakespeare erred. The Earl of Westmoreland was a-bed in England. He was acting as Regent while Henry was in France, and was a-bed near the border of Scotland, less the Scots try anything while Henry was across the Channel. Another Earl is given Westmoreland's role by the Fourth Folio.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 10, 2023 15:23:54 GMT -5
As a developmental program primarily gaining players via the traditional process (high school/prep school recruiting), the 5th year option is particularly important to us. Don’t see it going away so PL will have to OK the option for all its members. Can’t imagine there will be any serious objection given the pending conclusion of a very successful 4-year trial run.
I’m sure it’ll come up in coaching interviews - coaches want to compete on a level playing field (in this respect) as they work to get us back to where we were nationally a couple of years ago.
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Post by hcnj on Dec 10, 2023 21:38:26 GMT -5
Thanks PP, one of my favorite quotes of all time. My memory is faulty but didn't it begin in response to his next in command yearning for more men on eve of battle and Henry chastising him, something about why would we want our share of glory getting reduced through more men?
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Post by 78purple on Dec 11, 2023 6:47:44 GMT -5
SoV, I think you have to credit Chesney for retaining so many fifth years in 2022. Stiegelmeier mentioned the abundance of fifth years in their joint session at the Football Coaches convention. I think having team cohesion and team unity is a hallmark of Chesney's approach to coaching. All for one, and one for all. Or, as Henry V, while camped at the commune of Azincourt# replied to the Earl of Westmoreland,## "Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he’ll remember with advantages What feats he did that day: then shall our names. Familiar in his mouth as household words Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter, Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester, Be in their flowing cups freshly remember’d. This story shall the good man teach his son; And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by, From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be remember’d; We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition: And gentlemen in England now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day." # Agincourt in the English spelling ## In the First Folio. Shakespeare erred. The Earl of Westmoreland was a-bed in England. He was acting as Regent while Henry was in France, and was a-bed near the border of Scotland, less the Scots try anything while Henry was across the Channel. Another Earl is given Westmoreland's role by the Fourth Folio. Beautiful....I can start my day now !!!
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Post by HC13 on Dec 11, 2023 9:47:19 GMT -5
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Post by hc17 on Dec 11, 2023 10:54:35 GMT -5
I would imagine that we will have an answer this week on who will be next leader for the program. More than anything else, the recruiting timeline should expedite the process & these searches do not typically last long. There have been some interesting comments regarding KH's preference for Head Coaching experience on a Zoom Call. Did we ever get more details on the call? With Scott James serving as an interim head coach, I'd be a little shocked if he got the full time job. With that said, he's clearly a priority to retain on staff. There is no question this job is attractive....our coach just left for #24 in FBS....We have great facilities.....a pathway to success & the playoffs every year....I'd imagine a lot of different names (beyond the obvious ones) are expressing interest.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 11, 2023 11:08:00 GMT -5
Good stuff from Gordie and Jim in that article. It still bugs me that many writers don’t distinguish grad transfers but what can you do. I think we are going to be surprised at some of the high quality names interested in this job.
From a timing stand point, Kit did share Basketball took 18 days and we don’t have that kind of time.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 11, 2023 11:13:38 GMT -5
Yeah, Gordie, that's why my vote is for Chris Smith. Now, if I only had the ability to write an 8 figure check, Kit and Vince would listen to me!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 11, 2023 11:21:52 GMT -5
Is anyone able to monitor Worcester Airport for incoming and outgoing private flights to potential candidates?
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 11, 2023 11:27:08 GMT -5
Yeah, Gordie, that's why my vote is for Chris Smith. Now, if I only had the ability to write an 8 figure check, Kit and Vince would listen to me! I’ll wait for our resident recruiting expert DHarry to confirm but Smith was not even in the top half of recruiters during his time on the hill from what I saw. Just stating a fact. He’s a savant when it comes to X’s and O’s but was not a relentless recruiter.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 11, 2023 11:32:25 GMT -5
OK. That's one vote for and one vote against Chris Smith! I trust Kit and Vince will ignore both of us.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 11, 2023 11:33:51 GMT -5
Not a vote for or against. I also trust kit. Just commenting on the last part of the job description (recruiting) that you highlighted. .
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Post by drjack on Dec 11, 2023 11:40:46 GMT -5
Is anyone able to monitor Worcester Airport for incoming and outgoing private flights to potential candidates? Flights currently arriving from JFK and Orlando (pretty standard based on my experience tracking during the FHCBC saga), with flights scheduled later today from LaGuardia, Fort Lauderdale (both standard), Burke Lakefront (Cleveland), Rochester, and Dulles. The Rochester and Cleveland flights are the two most out of place, but i don't know who we'd be interested in from those areas. If anyone hears whispers of candidates interested in HC or vice versa, it would help me narrow it down, but I also don't want anyone getting in trouble by sharing confidential info.
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Post by hc17 on Dec 11, 2023 11:41:08 GMT -5
Outside of the obvious internal candidates or guys that have a connection to the program....I don't see a ton of great programs in New England/Mid-Atlantic that appeal to the naked eye. If we go outside the house & are truly looking for head-coaching experience, I'm not sure exactly where we are looking, but who knows the types that have reached out to Kit, etc.
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