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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 22, 2023 18:14:40 GMT -5
Non-speculative explanation: Only 15% of Georgetown student-athletes are on athletic scholarship; for men's teams, that's roughly 60 scholarships for 14 sports. The athletic department is responsible for its own scholarship aid and prioritizes Big East sports with a significant lack of scholarships (realistically, everything outside basketball, track, soccer, and lacrosse) for incremental aid. With men's basketball losing significant money for the last 8-10 years, there is little or no excess income to be converted to scholarship support. Personal, albeit speculative, explanation: What is Georgetown with 63 scholarships? Bucknell. If you cannot attract and admit talent you cannot succeed. Georgetown's AI is simply too high and its admit rate too low to attract, sign, and get commits from impact players. Its recruiting has tanked since 2020 because Rob Sgarlata is forced to fill the class with high-band kids with little or no talent at the FCS level. In this last recruiting cycle, nine of the 14 signees were from NEPSAC, boarding, or prep schools. How many impact FCS players come out of Deerfield or Choate? None. For two decades, PL and Ivy fans have given the slow clap to Georgetown teams saying, "well, they try hard", but Georgetown's record against winning teams is abysmal: the aforementioned 9-73 in the PL, 1-19 all time vs H-Y-P, or 0-10 at home since COVID. What is the Patriot League doing to make Georgetown (and by extension, Bucknell), more competitive? Nothing. Bob Benson was 5-27 against PL competition in five seasons. Eight seasons for Kevin Kelly, 10 wins. Eight seasons for Rob Sgarlata, 10 wins (seven of those wins were against either Lafayette or Bucknell). Maybe it's time to admit it's not the coaching. If Georgetown cannot admit talent needed to succeed under the PL by-laws, it cannot compete. But back to this forum: should Crusaders fans care? In one sense, no, it's an easy 35 point win every year. But being non-competitive is corrosive to a conference which would dissolve if as few as two schools leave. At some point, Georgetown has to look to the NEC, where teams are still better but there is no Index. Perhaps Fordham will look to the CAA as an upgrade .Then the HC football story changes in ways that no one wants right now. Thank you. Is there a possibility the PL would grant Georgetown a variance for its AI? This was done for Columbia & Penn a while back. Would Georgetown accept? Or, maybe if the PL schools upped their academics so that admissions would be more closely aligned with Georgetown. A wide disparity in the AI makes little sense in a league of supposedly like-minded schools. I prefer competitive games. 4 TD wins or losses annually are not fun to watch. Also, G-town is special to some of us. Columbia was given a variance by the IL to make them more competitive. IIRC, the variance allowed Columbia to recruit more low and low low band players. The variance lasted 3-4 years. It didn't help, Columbia remained non-competitive. Georgetown's AI is not that much higher than Colgate's. IIRC, Lehigh comes in third, because of engineering. Then a drop to the rest. ----------------------- This might be an illustration of what happens at an elite academic institution when the AI is not used for all sports. hilltophoops.substack.com/p/georgetown-apr-raises-academic-questionsThe link title is an understatement. It's a NSFW embarrassment.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 22, 2023 12:27:35 GMT -5
The Jocam has not worked since late last week. The problem is not the camera, or the feed from the Holy Cross end. The problem is at the company that supplies the webcam feeds to the Internet. They have been alerted.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 19, 2023 18:40:22 GMT -5
Does not pertain to roster limits. ----------------------------------------------- The controlling limit is that of the NCAA: in FCS, no more than 63 full scholarships, and no more than 85 players receiving full or partial financial aid. The NCAA did not adjust scollie caps for the Covid fifth years. www.ncsasports.org/coronavirus-sports/ncaa-eligibility-coronavirus________________________________________________ ________________________________________________ This is only relevant for Athletic scholarships. If we have 1-2 kids coming each class that are awarded some type of academic aid, it gives the coaches a little more wiggle room to move money around. Not sure how accurate this might be, but it sure would help with recruiting. This issue was discussed ad nauseum at the time that merit scholarships were re-introduced for PL football. There was complete consensus that any type of fin aid to a football player made that player a counter, for the purposes of the 63 or 85. In other words, if someone received a $ of need-based aid he became a counter. If someone had received a scollie to play lacrosse, and also joined the football team, he became a counter. There were several exceptions. A true walk-on, i.e., no prior recruiting contact, and who was attending HC and receiving need-based or academic merit aid, he was not a counter. IIRC, ROTC students receiving Federal tuition aid were not counters, because the source of aid was external to HC. In the case of recent rosters, there were two sons of HC employees. As a matter of policy, children of employees attend HC at a great discount. These players may also not have been counters. .
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 19, 2023 15:20:49 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 19, 2023 11:30:05 GMT -5
So, NCAA has no roster size limits but no more than 85 can get even partial aid. With a normal 90 roster limit for the PL teams, that would seem to mean in the PL, at least 5 players would have to be walk-ons and with increased roster limits due to Covid, more than that. Is my understanding correct or did I miss a turn? To my knowledge, your understanding is correct. HOWEVER, HC and Fordham, according to the the Title IX reports, often had rosters that exceeded 90. So there may have been wiggle room. Also, other conferences have roster size caps. The NCAA also has a roster cap, which can be adjusted. See below, a dissertation, from some years ago, published by BYU. www.loyalcougars.com/football-roster/roster-faqs/
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 19, 2023 10:37:09 GMT -5
I could drive a truck through that. Just be certain he doesn't get a degree prematurely, then he becomes a post-baccalaureate student-athlete, and I think one is looking at a graduate school program, or a 3-2 program. The 'Council. Dec'22' updates to the PL Policy/Procedure manual are specific to football. In the update that eliminates the 90 roster limit, the Council includes 'This action allows each member institution to manage the size of its roster according to its own culture and community.' Does this language modify, reinforce or not pertain to the PL manual's general waiver provisions above? Does not pertain to roster limits. ----------------------------------------------- The controlling limit is that of the NCAA: in FCS, no more than 63 full scholarships, and no more than 85 players receiving full or partial financial aid. The NCAA did not adjust scollie caps for the Covid fifth years. www.ncsasports.org/coronavirus-sports/ncaa-eligibility-coronavirus
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 18, 2023 19:54:29 GMT -5
I could drive a truck through that. Just be certain he doesn't get a degree prematurely, then he becomes a post-baccalaureate student-athlete, and I think one is looking at a graduate school program, or a 3-2 program.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 18, 2023 8:25:24 GMT -5
My take on an excellent interview with the two coaches.
1.) BC and Stiegelnmeier both agreed that HC's 18 fifth year seniors were instrumental in HC becoming a top eight team. (That was also a bit of lightning in a bottle. Chesney noted that these fifth years had arrived on College Hill with him.)
2.) Even more important than the fifth year seniors was having a team where the players played as a team, and for each other. BC said he knew the 2022-23 team was special when after pushing them very, very hard over the winter, most of the team went to Florida together over Spring Break. Stieg also spoke about team chemistry on this year's SDSU team creating a bond among the players. I had the feeling that coaches can sense when a team bonds together as a team and when it doesn't.
3.) There was a fleeting reference to another session (at which I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall) in which coaches vented.
4.) Session referenced in 3.) was spoken of in the context of BC and Stieg talking about and being thankful for the relative 'purity of the game', which remains, for the moment, a characteristic at the FCS level. IMO, 2.) flies out the window when NILs come through the door. I can easily envision the 'Tide's head coach unexpurgated recital of the meeting he had with a recruit who wanted $500,000 to sign with Alabama. I am hoping that the frustration of FBS coaches at he NILs (and the transfer rule) will lead to some entity calling out the sheriff to police what's become the Wild Wild West at the Power Five conferences.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 17, 2023 17:09:23 GMT -5
^^^ So 63 full equivalents, up to 85 receiving any amount of fin aid, and no upper bound on roster size. And the NCAA did not increase the caps on the number of scollies that may be awarded because of COVID.
A question that I still have is whether a fourth year or fifth year with a full scollie who then matriculates for only one semester in his senior year and again in his fifth year is counted as a half scollie in each year. The same question would apply to someone who, for example, has a half scollie. As they are not matriculating for a full year, is that half scollie become a quarter scollie?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 16, 2023 15:25:25 GMT -5
I agree the play is getting very bad, many players seem to have very poor fundamentals. Bad decision making abounds. Don't know if it's the AAU plague of individual play vs team or what. High school play is even worse off. May, in part, be a consequence of COVID at the high school level, with cancelled seasons, reduced schedules, etc.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 16, 2023 15:09:06 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 16, 2023 8:35:05 GMT -5
Re: Gates. My nephew played in a pickup game with a former Harvard player who went on to to play in the NBA. The game was at Lavietes, and the player had just finished an NBA season. He could move laterally very well, but he couldn't elevate. His legs were simply too tired. It is said when the legs are tired, foul shots tend to come up short; e.g., bounce off the front of the rim.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 15, 2023 20:45:01 GMT -5
Spending on men’s hoops ; Georgetown spent $13.574M Spending on women’s hoops Georgetown spent $3.083M) Well that doesn't seem very Title IXish The Georgetown women play on campus. The Georgetown men play in a downtown arena, owned by others, that seats 20,000. In the Big East in 2018-19, Georgetown's M/W total expenses ($16.7M) ranks third. Marquette is highest ($19.3M) followed by Villanova $16.9M Spending the least is Butler, nearly $8 million. Only Butler, Marquette, and Xavier had revenues that exceeded expenses.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 15, 2023 20:27:37 GMT -5
I have never given to M/W basketball, simply because historically, these two teams were better funded than all or nearly all their PL counterparts. 2018-19 academic year. (2019-20 and 2020-21 affected by COVID. 2021-22 will be published by Dept. of Education soon). Spending on men’s hoops was 3rd in PL (out of 8 schools, USMA, USNA excluded) As the spreadsheet gives me Fordham and Georgetown, I included them for comparative purposes) HC spent $2.282M. Behind Boston University ($2.670M) and Bucknell ($2.624M) (Fordham spent $5.075M; Georgetown spent $13.574M Spending on women’s hoops was 3rd in the PL HC spent $1.922M Behind Bucknell ($2.048M) and Lafayette ($1.960) (Fordham spent $3.416M; Georgetown spent $3.083M) Any chance you could normalize this for the additional travel costs for being one of the two far northern outposts in the league? Holy Cross' combined operating expenses ($488k) for M/W basketball were sixth of eight schools. Operating expenses include travel. Only Lafayette and Lehigh were lower. Bucknell was highest at $794K. Operating expenses can be significantly affected by post-season play.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 15, 2023 13:59:34 GMT -5
I have never given to M/W basketball, simply because historically, these two teams were better funded than all or nearly all their PL counterparts.
2018-19 academic year. (2019-20 and 2020-21 affected by COVID. 2021-22 will be published by Dept. of Education soon).
Spending on men’s hoops was 3rd in PL (out of 8 schools, USMA, USNA excluded) As the spreadsheet gives me Fordham and Georgetown, I included them for comparative purposes) HC spent $2.282M. Behind Boston University ($2.670M) and Bucknell ($2.624M) (Fordham spent $5.075M; Georgetown spent $13.574M
Spending on women’s hoops was 3rd in the PL HC spent $1.922M Behind Bucknell ($2.048M) and Lafayette ($1.960) (Fordham spent $3.416M; Georgetown spent $3.083M)
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 15, 2023 7:47:59 GMT -5
Men's hoops finished in 42nd place, the only entity to receive $0 dollars
4,608 donors from all 50 states, $1,676,660 raised.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 14, 2023 20:35:30 GMT -5
As of 8:30, down to two sports with naught. One men's sport played with a big ball that you can't stuff in a pocket, one men's sport played with a ball that you can easily stuff 2 or 3 into a pocket.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 14, 2023 20:01:39 GMT -5
The Ivy League was established in 1954, so I doubt there was ever consideration, let alone a vote, to include HC as a founding member.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 14, 2023 19:57:32 GMT -5
It has long been my hope that someday almost all will attend HC "at little or no cost."(PP) Not going to happen any time soon but I believe it is a worthy goal. The value of Princeton's endowment increased by about $10 billion between June 30, 2020, and June 30, 2021m from $27 billion to $37 billion. About 37 percent. The endowment value dropped a bit in 2022. If Princeton can average a three year (2021,2022, 2023) endowment value of $37 billion, and Princeton continues to distribute 5 percent of the total endowment value, the distribution in 2025 would be about $500 million more than in 2021. For the fiscal year ending June 30 2021, Princeton's revenue from tuition and fees for the entire university, net of financial aid, was $105 million. ($105 million was what matriculating students (or their parents paid.) There are 5,500 undergraduates, 3,100 graduate students.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 14, 2023 17:15:05 GMT -5
The oldest of the Easy St. dorms are 65+ years old. These were economically built. It appears there may be asbestos in the walls. (The only reason I can think of why they are hesitant to sell bricks.) Someone who is adept at perusing the "Crusader" archives may find an old construction photo or two. I suspect the basic construction is steel and cement. The steel may have been fireproofed with asbestos. If so, there is no salvaging any of the building. And there is no point, as the saying goes, to spend money 'putting lipstick on a pig'. The plumbing, heating, electrical needs to be completely replaced. They have spent money in recent years on new roofs and replacing windows, but I don't believe that all four of the earliest Easy St. dorms have had this done. I believe this recent spending could not be deferred. I expect the reconstructed dorms to have A/C, and to be much more energy efficient. There is asbestos in the buildings, which is the reason there will not be a nostalgic brick sale to alums. I agree that the new dorms must have A/C especially to make HC a year round campus with summer school and sports camps. Also there is a need for updated fire abatement systems, as I don’t recall sprinklers in any of the Easy Street Dorms. Exciting times to make Mt St. James an appealing 21st Century campus. A boiler in Kimball to provide steam heat is so 20th Century. Even though, IIRC, has replaced some of the steam pipes in recent decades.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 14, 2023 15:09:30 GMT -5
As of 3 PM today, HC Giving Day, out of 42 entries, at the bottom are these six:
Number of donors / $ gifted Men's Basketball 0 $0 Men's Tennis 0 $0 Softball 0 $0 Women's Golf 0 $0 Women's Soccer 0 $0 Women's Tennis 0 $0
Men's basketball has always underperformed starting when DR began the CAF, even in the RW years. ---------------------
Men's rowing leads all individual sports, a bit over $10,000 raised. O'Callahan Society has raised $4,320.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 14, 2023 14:03:12 GMT -5
It might not be a great decision to keep him, but if he delivers 15 wins, it would be hard to say the record didn't improve. However, recruiting and retention of talent is a big miss. With Gates departing, that has to be part of the conversation between Kit, leadership, and Nelson- IMHO If the decision is to retain him based on the hypothetical record, do you give him a one, two, or three-year extension? Or does HC end the relationship and move on? IMO, which ain't worth much, a 1-2 year extension until NCAA either straightens the mess out, or punts, and the mess continues. It might even get worse. Unless successful coaches in the high majors and mid-majors start migrating down to the low majors because they want to continue coaching as SoV suggests, what assurance can KH give TPTB that his preferred successor to Nelson will be any more successful than Nelson, given the academic constraints?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 14, 2023 13:54:30 GMT -5
IMO, I think KH is pretty disgusted with the current state of men's basketball, and until the NCAA gets its act together with respect to the portal, and NIL, he probably feels sending Nelson on his way and then finding a new coach who can succeed in the current environment at HC will be a difficult undertaking. Too many kids in today's era have little allegiance to their hometown, their high school, their AAU team, or their college/university. Its a continuing migration from one team to another, now exacerbated by the lucre of money. I can readily see prospective new coaches asking KH how much NIL money you willing to offer to help my recruiting? Comments made by Brey and other BT coaches, suggests they want to continue coaching but not with the NIL being a factor. You might be able to grab a proven HC who just wants to coach good kids-- Until we make significant improvement, however, anybody we are able to hire will still have the ugliness of the portal to deal with annually. KH specifically and publicly referenced a recent transferee who he intimated was lured by a modest NIL. Someone willing to chase easy money early, and forgo the long term financial rewards of a quality education. --------------- I don't think Chesney was on the radar when TG was let go. Fortuitously he came after. And even more fortuitously, he is happy at HC and happy living in Worcester.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 14, 2023 13:42:51 GMT -5
If we continue beating Harvard & Yale, watch them cancel the future games against HC. The Ivy league does not like to lose. You fail to realize that with their recent big bump-up in endowments, practically everyone will matriculate at HYP at little or no cost. That means 110-120 on the football rosters matriculating with the equivalent of full scollies. Only the three service academies have it so good, but after four years, HYP will give you your diploma and send you on your way..
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 14, 2023 13:31:16 GMT -5
IMO, I think KH is pretty disgusted with the current state of men's basketball, and until the NCAA gets its act together with respect to the portal, and NIL, he probably feels sending Nelson on his way and then finding a new coach who can succeed in the current environment at HC will be a difficult undertaking.
Too many kids in today's era have little allegiance to their hometown, their high school, their AAU team, or their college/university. Its a continuing migration from one team to another, now exacerbated by the lucre of money.
I can readily see prospective new coaches asking KH how much NIL money you willing to offer to help my recruiting?
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