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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 31, 2017 22:19:17 GMT -5
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Post by hc87 on Jan 31, 2017 22:49:16 GMT -5
Meh....it's more lame than anything....we are an academic institution first and foremost, but that should be implied rather than giving out badges. We don't need your stinkin' badges....
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 1, 2017 7:08:45 GMT -5
You may recall my observing these patches during a video of an away men's basketball game and wondering what exactly it was but it appeared to be an academic cap. I figured it was something like this.
I like it, especially when we play OOC games or those few on national TV. Emphasizes that we have true scholar-athletes.
So, I think it is a really GREAT idea!
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Post by ncaam on Feb 1, 2017 7:43:46 GMT -5
Dumb and Dumber. Does Harvard do it?
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 1, 2017 7:49:30 GMT -5
There you go again HC70
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Post by bigfan on Feb 1, 2017 7:50:45 GMT -5
GREAT IDEA, maybe more schools should do this.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 1, 2017 8:03:57 GMT -5
You may recall my observing these patches during a video of an away men's basketball game and wondering what exactly it was but it appeared to be an academic cap. I figured it was something like this. I like it, especially when we play OOC games or those few on national TV. Emphasizes that we have true scholar-athletes. So, I think it is a really GREAT idea! Then wear a patch advertising the team APR awards, or something like that. Singling out individuals with something other than their name or number on a team uniform is a stupid idea. Singling out players who didn't get a 3.0 GPA is even more stupid. Also, if we need to resort to gimicky patches to advertise that we are a great school with "true scholar-athletes," then we're in trouble. |
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Post by joe on Feb 1, 2017 8:07:49 GMT -5
This is absurd. So a premed with a 2.9 doesn't get a patch and a visual arts major with a 3.0 does?
I actually feel empathetic embarrassment and annoyance for the players.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 1, 2017 8:40:43 GMT -5
Then how 'bout we forget honors degrees for all students like cum laude, magna cum laude and summa cum laude? You know, all the graduates who don't get those must be embarrassed at graduation. How do they explain this to their parents and friends? And those don't distinguish between bio/chem pre-meds and sociology majors either. Oh, the humanity! Maybe everyone should just get a participation award?
Get over it!
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Post by matunuck on Feb 1, 2017 8:50:32 GMT -5
I think HC (and many others) has a grade inflation problem to be honest.
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Post by ncaam on Feb 1, 2017 8:50:52 GMT -5
What if we have only one or two scholarship bball player with a 3.0?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 1, 2017 8:51:14 GMT -5
Then how 'bout we forget honors degrees for all students like cum laude, magna cum laude and summa cum laude? You know, all the graduates who don't get those must be embarrassed at graduation. How do they explain this to their parents and friends? And those don't distinguish between bio/chem pre-meds and sociology majors either. Oh, the humanity! Maybe everyone should just get a participation award? Get over it! That's a horrible argument. This has nothing to do with "participation awards." Giving out academic awards at an academic ceremony, like giving out athletic awards at an athletic event, is completely appropriate. Singling out individual on a TEAM for something with no connection to the sport they are actually playing is stupid. |
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Post by ncaam on Feb 1, 2017 8:54:48 GMT -5
As a team we need more things to bring us together, not separate us.
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Post by Tom on Feb 1, 2017 9:00:26 GMT -5
Not a big fan, but don't care enough to get worked up about it either. To me it's not that big of a deal
During a week when the local boys are heading off to their record 9th Super Bowl, I loved it when the Pat's D requested not to be introduced by name during the 2001 SB vs Rams and were simply introduced as a unit. I'm a little old fashioned and I want a sports team's public image to be of a single unit, not highlighting individuals. Behind closed doors, absolutely recognize someone who's getting it done in the classroom and on the field, but the public face of a team should be that all are equal.
That being said, it's still not that big of a deal
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 1, 2017 9:01:14 GMT -5
BBC, why does the NCAA (in all its wisdom!?) keep track of a "student"-athlete grades, have minimum acceptable grades to play, and recognize schools that have high graduation rates. Holy Cross, other PL and IL schools tout that their athletes are representative of their entire student body as a whole. Despite what some here claim, these are amateurs, not professionals and represent their school . . . an academic institution.
You may disagree but it is hardly "stupid" to do this.
We will have to just agree to disagree about this as I am sure that I cannot change your mind and I know that you won't change mine.
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 1, 2017 9:09:12 GMT -5
Guess we should get rid of things like scholar athlete of the year awards, all-academic teams, academic all Americans, etc.
We're at a school and in a league that promotes academics within our athletes. It's a small recognition to the greater population who don't read the PL or HC press releases on the all academic teams of who achieved academically. It's harmless to those with a 2.8 GPA.
And strictly a guess, the HC athletes on the SAAC (?) had a say in this, so I doubt Nate Pine said hey, here's a patch, put it on your jersey.
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Post by cfrivals on Feb 1, 2017 9:09:33 GMT -5
Lame! Sounds like Elementary school
Honoring a deceased member of the HC family or a sponsor is only patch that should be on uniform.
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Post by joe on Feb 1, 2017 9:23:26 GMT -5
Sorry I get the idea but this is juvenile. HC student athletes in general are already highly motivated and focused on their academics. This is something more appropriate as a motivational or branding tool at a JuCo. Academic awards and recognition are wonderful and deserved but belong in an academic setting like graduation or on a resume and have no place as an epaulette on an athletic uniform. Silliness.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 1, 2017 9:23:58 GMT -5
BBC, why does the NCAA (in all its wisdom!?) keep track of a "student"-athlete grades, have minimum acceptable grades to play, and recognize schools that have high graduation rates. Holy Cross, other PL and IL schools tout that their athletes are representative of their entire student body as a whole. Despite what some here claim, these are amateurs, not professionals and represent their school . . . an academic institution. You may disagree but it is hardly "stupid" to do this. We will have to just agree to disagree about this as I am sure that I cannot change your mind and I know that you won't change mine. The NCAA recognizes TEAMS and ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS for graduation rates and APR scores. Then there are scholar-athlete awards that are recognized OFF THE COURT/FIELD. I can change my mind if there was an argument that actually made sense in justifying singling out INDIVIDUALS from a TEAM on a UNIFORM. As I said before, if we really needed to put patches on uniforms to advertise our academic strength, then putting patches on an entire TEAM that wins an APR award would be a totally different story than this stupid idea. |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 1, 2017 9:27:48 GMT -5
I don't like the "C" on any jersey except in hockey, and I don't like this idea.
We're standing on the basketball court, playing basketball, and not doing it very well actually. So, we should wear badges to say how smart [some/most] of the team is? The two are unrelated.
I like the idea of a student athlete, but let's be honest, I don't care what sort of grades these guys get. I hope they all graduate and are wildly successful, phenomenally wealthy, and get to retire early on the beach. But I'm rooting for them to win a ball game. The big time programs that we all watch "graduate" students by and large that can barely speak what might be recognized as English. Notable exceptions aside, these folks probably would flunk at my high school. So is this badge our way of thumbing our nose against the big time programs who don't emphasize academics? We're already in the Patriot League. What's next, playing with mortarboards on?
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 1, 2017 9:32:33 GMT -5
Already are . . . . look closely at the patch!   Lighten up, guys. But I do agree that it might distract from the Fr. K patch. And I don't care for that angle. You think he would be against it? |
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 1, 2017 9:43:28 GMT -5
What if we have only one or two scholarship bball player with a 3.0? That would still put HC ahead of many Power 5 schools. |
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 1, 2017 9:45:05 GMT -5
Lighten up, guys. But I do agree that it might distract from the Fr. K patch. And I don't care for that angle. You think he would be against it? I think WWFKD is a good yardstick. Always a supporter of HC students, I believe he would support it. As to identifying those who do not have a 3.0, could it also be a way to motivate them to raise that GPA? |
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Post by matunuck on Feb 1, 2017 9:46:11 GMT -5
Should be much, much higher than 3.0 if we insist on doing this.
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Post by res on Feb 1, 2017 10:21:35 GMT -5
Should be much, much higher than 3.0 if we insist on doing this. I saw some numbers that indicated the avg. undergraduate GPA in 2014 at American colleges was 3.1 with private schools averaging 3.3. Avg. GPAs at selective schools were at the high end of the range. Brown's was over 3.6 (!) IIRC. So, yes, in that sense, 3.0 looks a little low. However, it is undoubtedly harder to maintain a higher GPA while playing a full-time sport. |
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