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Post by nhteamer on Aug 22, 2017 10:56:54 GMT -5
Great to see Iona and Siena back on the schedule, but it's a HUGE miss to have no marquee games on the schedule. What a huge miss!! Let's get murdered by Kansas again! Or pretend we were in the game with UNC again! So fun. uhhhhh Crossball. I was at the game at UNC. Were were 100% in that game. It was 100% fun to be there. It was 100% better exposure than beating (or losing !) to Sacred Heart 100 Times. Is was 100% fun for the players.
You schedule wimps are 100% WRONG.
SACRED HEART (away!) is no way to grow our program
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Post by lou on Aug 22, 2017 11:03:44 GMT -5
Wow, you think Carmody is a schedule wimp? Like Ralph, when he thinks we're ready to compete in these games, and I'm pretty sure that's his goal, hopefully we'll be playing those games again. See you there
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Post by ncaam on Aug 22, 2017 11:17:35 GMT -5
Coach scheduled down this year. Not sure adnp will skip another year of $$$ games. What if we have a losing year? Will schedule be upgraded next year or remain the same?
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 22, 2017 11:35:43 GMT -5
My distinct impression was CWC believes the players he has coming in are better than the players he has lost. That is ability but experience will be lacking and that is very important at our level.
I have little doubt he will upgrade the schedule next year and subsequent years.
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Post by Tom on Aug 22, 2017 11:44:01 GMT -5
What a huge miss!! Let's get murdered by Kansas again! Or pretend we were in the game with UNC again! So fun. uhhhhh Crossball. I was at the game at UNC. Were were 100% in that game. It was 100% fun to be there. It was 100% better exposure than beating (or losing !) to Sacred Heart 100 Times. Is was 100% fun for the players.
You schedule wimps are 100% WRONG.
SACRED HEART (away!) is no way to grow our programI disagree I am more in line with Roger McGuinn's scheduling philosophy. There is a time to take guarantee games, there is a time to avoid them. This is a time to avoid. If you have a normal class rotation of 3-4 kids per class, absolutely schedule a UNC. However, This team has no seniors. Yup, we have two juniors with a very solid 950 minutes of experience last year. Our next two guys on the experience chart have played about 600 minutes spread over 2 seasons, then things really drop off. This squad is green. We are going to be heavily leaning on freshmen. We're all crossing our fingers that with the forced playing time, the inexperienced kids will have gained some maturity come February. Karl handled himself quite well as a freshman at Kansas, but he was a role player. If things didn't go so well, there were experienced guys to take the heat. There are lessons to be learned in playing big time opponents. I think those lessons will be lost when 2/3 of the players don't even have their feet wet
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Post by joe on Aug 22, 2017 11:52:16 GMT -5
uhhhhh Crossball. I was at the game at UNC. Were were 100% in that game. It was 100% fun to be there. It was 100% better exposure than beating (or losing !) to Sacred Heart 100 Times. Is was 100% fun for the players.
You schedule wimps are 100% WRONG.
SACRED HEART (away!) is no way to grow our program I disagree I am more in line with Roger McGuinn's scheduling philosophy. There is a time to take guarantee games, there is a time to avoid them. This is a time to avoid. If you have a normal class rotation of 3-4 kids per class, absolutely schedule a UNC. However, This team has no seniors. Yup, we have two juniors with a very solid 950 minutes of experience last year. Our next two guys on the experience chart have played about 600 minutes spread over 2 seasons, then things really drop off. This squad is green. We are going to be heavily leaning on freshmen. We're all crossing our fingers that with the forced playing time, the inexperienced kids will have gained some maturity come February. Karl handled himself quite well as a freshman at Kansas, but he was a role player. If things didn't go so well, there were experienced guys to take the heat. There are lessons to be learned in playing big time opponents. I think those lessons will be lost when 2/3 of the players don't even have their feet wet What I said only more eloquent and with better examples. When we're ready to UNC or Duke again we'll go. Not this year. I like the intelligence being used. And by the way the schedule is by no means a cakewalk. Lot of good competition.
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Post by dadominate on Aug 22, 2017 12:38:30 GMT -5
Wow, you think Carmody is a schedule wimp? Like Ralph, when he thinks we're ready to compete in these games, and I'm pretty sure that's his goal, hopefully we'll be playing those games again. See you there agree 100% it's foolish to imply that carmody is a scheduling wimp. as an example, look at this schedule while at princeton: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_Princeton_Tigers_men%27s_basketball_teamprinceton was experienced and ready for a big season, in which they played texas, nc state, rutgers, north carolina, and wake forest. not to mention bucknell, drexel, manhattan, and other decent mid majors. princeton only lost one game that year btw (on the road by 8 points to final 4 team north carolina), in one of the best seasons that a midmajor team has ever had. more generally, it's even more foolish to view scheduling as a "one size fits all, all the time" proposition. a more reasonable approach is to schedule top notch opponents when your team is experienced and as ready for them as they'll ever be and not as strong opponents when your team is inexperienced... let's say, for example, a team that features 6 FRESHMEN! i expect a better schedule next year and a bucknell-style schedule two years from now. this is a more nuanced approach than the black or white "we're the best!" or "we suck!" mentality that many seem to demonstrate here, but i think this is the way almost every good coach runs his program.
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Post by nhteamer on Aug 22, 2017 13:43:59 GMT -5
there is a middle ground between Sacred Heart, Fairly Ridiculous, and UNC, Duke!!!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 22, 2017 13:54:01 GMT -5
there is a middle ground between Sacred Heart, Fairly Ridiculous, and UNC, Duke!!! LOL! And you're right.
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Post by ncaam on Aug 22, 2017 14:21:38 GMT -5
Teamer, I was at that UNC game too. We gave them hell of a fight. It was a fantastic game to watch. That was a very good team, however, Dave Malcolm Eric Malachi and Anthony. This year's team will not measure up to that team. We have to schedule easier teams. Otherwise we're going to get trounced.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 22, 2017 14:45:25 GMT -5
there is a middle ground between Sacred Heart, Fairly Ridiculous, and UNC, Duke!!! LOL! And you're right. Take it easy on "Harvard on the Hackensack." I did get two graduate degrees there, after all.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 22, 2017 16:00:30 GMT -5
We're going to look Fairly Foolish if we lose to them.
I highly doubt Bucknell would be playing that schedule if they had 6 freshmen.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 22, 2017 16:27:11 GMT -5
I wonder if Nate Pine and Bill Carmody took into consideration any of the issues our posters have mentioned when they committed to the OOC games on the schedule.......
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Post by sarasota on Aug 22, 2017 18:20:21 GMT -5
The whole idea of "money games" I find cynical and repugnant, against the concept of pure sport. We're gonna fill an arena with fans who have to pay for the game as its included in a season subscription pkg. The game is more an exhibition inasmuch as a true game requires true competition. That is, it's not a game. The inferior team, despite protestations to the contrary, is participating in it for MONEY and money alone, not to WIN. Ugh. At least the Harlem Globetrotters acknowledged that it was an exhibition, never pretended that it was a game..
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Post by hchoops on Aug 22, 2017 18:35:21 GMT -5
Not only 6 frosh on the roster, but many to all of them expected to play significant minutes.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Aug 22, 2017 19:05:22 GMT -5
The whole idea of "money games" I find cynical and repugnant, against the concept of pure sport. We're gonna fill an arena with fans who have to pay for the game as its included in a season subscription pkg. The game is more an exhibition inasmuch as a true game requires true competition. That is, it's not a game. The inferior team, despite protestations to the contrary, is participating in it for MONEY and money alone, not to WIN. Ugh. At least the Harlem Globetrotters acknowledged that it was an exhibition, never pretended that it was a game.. Nope. Exposure, experience and recruiting. How many times have you heard a coach who was a 14 15 or 16 seed playing in the first round of the NCAA tournament say this is why we scheduled regular-season games against very good opponents.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 22, 2017 20:20:32 GMT -5
The whole idea of "money games" I find cynical and repugnant, against the concept of pure sport. We're gonna fill an arena with fans who have to pay for the game as its included in a season subscription pkg. The game is more an exhibition inasmuch as a true game requires true competition. That is, it's not a game. The inferior team, despite protestations to the contrary, is participating in it for MONEY and money alone, not to WIN. Ugh. At least the Harlem Globetrotters acknowledged that it was an exhibition, never pretended that it was a game.. Nope. Exposure, experience and recruiting. How many times have you heard a coach who was a 14 15 or 16 seed playing in the first round of the NCAA tournament say this is why we scheduled regular-season games against very good opponents. Also the underdog wins a number of them. Bucknell has won almost 10 away guarantee games since 2005.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 22, 2017 20:27:50 GMT -5
That really puts things in perspective for me. "How about you pay us to come to your gym and beat you!"
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Post by bringbackcaro on Aug 22, 2017 23:39:23 GMT -5
The players are not going to be emotionally scarred from potentially catching a beating from a top team in the country. And if we do have that type of kid on the roster, that's a whole different issue. If anything, it should be a great learning opportunity for the young players to see how far they need to go.
Playing a couple marquee non-conference games and taking home a couple checks that could be used for a European trip next summer would be a lot better for our young players (and program) than playing the Farleigh Dickinson, UNH and Sacred Hearts of the world.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 23, 2017 4:37:34 GMT -5
I'll go with Carmody's apparent "go slow" approach to scheduling with a very inexperienced but hopefully talented team this year.
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Post by rf1 on Aug 23, 2017 8:22:57 GMT -5
Scheduling P5 teams will likely get even more difficult. The big Ten is moving toward a 20 games league schedule in 2018-19. This will result in two less OCC games for each member. The conference will however have more opportunities to showcase its teams via its tv network. Look for other power conferences to follow suit down the road.
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Post by gerry on Aug 23, 2017 10:00:51 GMT -5
The ACC is also going to a 20 game league schedule in 2019-2020.
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Post by ncaam on Aug 23, 2017 10:22:08 GMT -5
Saves power 5 schools $$$. Also makes their fans happier with fewer cupcakes. Opens games for us with good programs which are not power 5.
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Post by rickii on Aug 23, 2017 12:47:18 GMT -5
there is a middle ground between Sacred Heart, Fairly Ridiculous, and UNC, Duke!!! I usually agree with you on all things nht but given the make-up of the team this year, a 1-year lack of money games is ok with me. Aside from that, I'm totally against playing FDU or NJIT ANYWHERE !
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Post by ncaam on Aug 23, 2017 12:51:19 GMT -5
What, no love gor cupcakes?
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