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Post by rgs318 on Aug 23, 2017 13:08:04 GMT -5
there is a middle ground between Sacred Heart, Fairly Ridiculous, and UNC, Duke!!! I usually agree with you on all things nht but given the make-up of the team this year, a 1-year lack of money games is ok with me. Aside from that, I'm totally against playing FDU or NJIT ANYWHERE ! OK. Why the hatred of NJ?
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Post by bison137 on Aug 23, 2017 13:21:47 GMT -5
Saves power 5 schools $$$. Also makes their fans happier with fewer cupcakes. Fans not necessarily happier. Now each team will have one less home game. Plus their added conference home game may be with a team that is worse than either of the two guarantee games they are giving up. Teams like Vermont or Bucknell are better than teams like Rutgers or BC etc.
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Post by ncaam on Aug 23, 2017 13:37:53 GMT -5
Sorry to bust your bubble but vermont and buck mean nothing to fans of acc schools.
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Post by dadominate on Aug 23, 2017 16:34:09 GMT -5
Sorry to bust your bubble but vermont and buck mean nothing to fans of acc schools. but wins over quality midmajors (rpi < 100 or so) mean something to these teams (and any reasonably intelligent fan) when it comes to better rpi, strength of schedule, and tournament seeding than playing awful teams like bc, rutgers, etc.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 23, 2017 16:50:28 GMT -5
Sorry to bust your bubble but vermont and buck mean nothing to fans of acc schools. The knowledgeable ones know that they are better than BC. You are correct about the unknowledgeable ones. And as Dado pointed out, they are FAR better for the RPI - which can not only affect their seeding but can determine whether they make the tournament or not. In the past 13 seasons, there have only been a few where Bucknell or Vermont wasn't better for the RPI than BC or Rutgers.
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Post by ncaam on Aug 23, 2017 17:57:38 GMT -5
Bucknell and Vermont may beat all the snooty teams. But the season ticket holders stay away from the HC/PL games. Your ears would curl to hear what they say about HC as an opponent. Same goes for Bucknell and Vermont. BC is a conference win. Buck and Vt mean nothing and can hurt them worse than a BC loss.
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Post by crossbball13 on Aug 23, 2017 18:53:48 GMT -5
Bucknell and Vermont may beat all the snooty teams. But the season ticket holders stay away from the HC/PL games. Your ears would curl to hear what they say about HC as an opponent. Same goes for Bucknell and Vermont. BC is a conference win. Buck and Vt mean nothing and can hurt them worse than a BC loss. No. You can type it 5 more times with different word order but you'll still be wrong about uvm and bucknell.
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Post by ncaam on Aug 23, 2017 19:00:07 GMT -5
How about HC?
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Post by bison137 on Aug 23, 2017 19:22:52 GMT -5
Bucknell and Vermont may beat all the snooty teams. But the season ticket holders stay away from the HC/PL games. Your ears would curl to hear what they say about HC as an opponent. Same goes for Bucknell and Vermont. BC is a conference win. Buck and Vt mean nothing and can hurt them worse than a BC loss. It's clear that you are speaking only from the POV of the clueless fan. Just to point out one of several mistakes, a loss to Bucknell or Vermont hurts a team far less than a BC loss in terms of RPI and effect on their tournament seed/chances. Bucknell's win over Kansas - which still gets thousands of references at tournament time - was a game-changer in terms of how they are viewed by many fans. Same with UVM's win over Syracuse.
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Post by ncaam on Aug 23, 2017 19:36:17 GMT -5
Bucknell is the pride of the pl. I attend these games. I see the crowd size and hear the comments. Patriot League? What's that? End
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Post by hcgrad94 on Aug 23, 2017 19:58:40 GMT -5
Bucknell is the pride of the pl. I attend these games. I see the crowd size and hear the comments. Patriot League? What's that? End That take sounds remarkably like a former poster named HC70. You related?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 23, 2017 20:31:44 GMT -5
Sorry to bust your bubble but vermont and buck mean nothing to fans of acc schools. The knowledgeable ones know that they are better than BC. You are correct about the unknowledgeable ones. And as Dado pointed out, they are FAR better for the RPI - which can not only affect their seeding but can determine whether they make the tournament or not. In the past 13 seasons, there have only been a few where Bucknell or Vermont wasn't better for the RPI than BC or Rutgers. I looked at Ken Pomeroy's site because it's easy to navigate and I've got the $$ invested in it (very reasonable cost and highly recommended) Since 2004-2005 Bucknell had three really weak seasons 2007-2008 through 2009=2010. Including those three seasons Bucknell has been ranked higher than bc in 4 of 13 seasons but those 4 have come in the last 6 seasons Bucknell has been ranked higher than Rutgers in 8 of 13 seasons, including 5 of the last 6 Vermont has been ranked higher than bc in 4 of the 13 seasons but, as with Bucknell, those 4 have come in the last 6 seasons Vermont has been ranked higher than Rutgers in 10 of the 13 seasons, including the last 4 Okay, going strictly by "Bucknell OR Vermont", as bison states, there was 1 year where Rutgers was higher ranked than both UVM and Bucknell and 8 years (only 1 in the last 6) where bc was ranked higher than both teams.
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Post by Tom on Aug 24, 2017 9:17:17 GMT -5
Sorry to bust your bubble but vermont and buck mean nothing to fans of acc schools. but wins over quality midmajors (rpi < 100 or so) mean something to these teams (and any reasonably intelligent fan) when it comes to better rpi, strength of schedule, and tournament seeding than playing awful teams like bc, rutgers, etc. I have to stick up for BC on this one. The only reason BC schedules awful teams is because BC is awful. It doesn't look good for a team from the mighty ACC to lose to some not very good teams from minor conferences. If BC can improve and get themselves in a not very good realm, I anticipate a schedule upgrade and some of the awful opponents will be replaced by not very good opponents
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Post by rf1 on Sept 6, 2017 18:16:51 GMT -5
FYI:
URI released their possibly still evolving schedule today. Mike Laprey from the URI Atheltic dept fielded questions regarding it afterward on the Rhody fan forum. He confirmed that URI will play Holy Cross in the 2018-19 season at the DCU Center.
URI, even off an A-10 Tournament championship and advancement to the 2nd round of the NCAA Tourney, is still having issues putting together an OOC schedule. URI is presently two games short of the maximum 31 games it is allowed. It refused a home game vs a non D1 school (Oakland City) as part of the exempt NIT Tip-Off Tournament. It will host UNC-Asheville and play Seton Hall and either Virginia or Vanderbilt at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn as part of the tournament. Unlike UVa, Vanderbilt, and SHU, Rhode Island will not have a fourth game. In fact it looks like the tournament organizers actually made a special accommodation for Seton Hall to avoid URI's fate. The Pirates look to have also been slated to play D2 Oakland City (IN) but instead will play FDU. FDU will however play just a single game in what is typically a four game tourney format.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 6, 2017 20:42:05 GMT -5
Speaking of URI, I just sent an email to my classmates, a number of whom are on Crossports and already know this but a heads-up for those who may be thinking of attending the game in the Ryan Center this November:
In the past, Dave has taken a leadership role of having a place for Crusaders to get together before the URI game and the Champions, Wes and Judy, were regular attendees and my hope is we will get some of the other family members of the current team for pre-game insights since Robert has graduated. While there will be an official announcement at some later date, I will post the information when it is finalized as the communication may go out mostly to Rhode Island alums and/or season ticket holders. Everyone will be welcome and since a number of Dave's neighbors come who are Ram fans and we always need to counter them even though they are all nice, friendly people. If we are lucky, Dave might even open his man cave for tours. He is a fascinating guy as he is a retired Navy captain and was a hard-hat diver while serving in the Navy and now a big scuba diver and his man cave reflects that background.
As I recall, the price of admission is something like $5.00 per person, more to help the RI Club to come closer to breaking even on the event.
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Post by ncaam on Sept 7, 2017 6:21:35 GMT -5
Fwiw....GTown traveling to URichmond
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 7, 2017 7:53:22 GMT -5
Wow! Long trip. That is big of the Hoyas. A major sacrifice. Now if we could just get Richmond into the PL, that would nix that plan. Now, I guess that is not fair of me. I am probably just envious that Holy Cross is not athletically doing well enough to have cultivated the arrogance of those other Catholic schools, Georgetown and Notre Dame.
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Post by bison137 on Sept 7, 2017 9:21:35 GMT -5
Fwiw....GTown traveling to URichmond Georgetown had to find several games on short notice after they pulled out of the PK80 event at the last second due to Ewing wanting easier competition. They may find Richmond is also too tough. Richmond will travel to Georgetown next year btw.
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 7, 2017 10:43:25 GMT -5
Please grow a pair and dismiss them from PL football
Ya really think the mighty PL will lose "prestige" by substituting Monmouth, Duquesne, Marist etc, etc, for the mighty Hoyas
Why are we such weak saps?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 7, 2017 11:29:28 GMT -5
Please grow a pair and dismiss them from PL football Ya really think the mighty PL will lose "prestige" by substituting Monmouth, Duquesne, Marist etc, etc, for the mighty Hoyas Why are we such weak saps? I think these teams enable the PL to reach critical mass for the FCS playoffs auto-bid....
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Post by ncaam on Sept 7, 2017 13:48:50 GMT -5
Replace them, replace them. Make them relinquish the ball.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 7, 2017 14:00:23 GMT -5
Not sure that Georgetown is in any way worse than Fordham in this regard. Commonality: both are Jesuit schools in the Northeast; neither plays in the PL except for football; neither will play Holy Cross in basketball which is a head-scratcher to me. They won't even play us at their own places. So much for Jesuitical brotherhood.
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 7, 2017 14:05:51 GMT -5
I've said the same thing about Fordham also 1,000 times.
It is OUR FAULT. Stop saying "mother may I?" all the damn time.
No hoops, no football. Don't ask them TELL them.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 7, 2017 14:29:19 GMT -5
I don't think Holy Cross has veto power over who is and who is not in the PL as full or associate members. Should we kick out Army and Navy for not being in the PL for football? They are just now putting HC on their football schedules. Perhaps down the road, GU and FU will also consider adding HC to their basketball schedules following the service academies leads.
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 7, 2017 14:39:33 GMT -5
Army and Navy not being in for football is COMPLETELY different than GU and FU being in just for football......COMPLETELY.
"perhaps down the road, GU and FU will also consider adding HC to their basketball schedules........".
Oh isn't that sweet and, oh so very Holy Cross; perhaps "they'll consider."
They have had twenty years to "consider."
It's simple: you play three PL teams in hoop every year or.............BASTA!
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