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Post by hchoops on Feb 11, 2018 12:12:19 GMT -5
Have also watched most games since the internet was invented, except for yesterday, my daughter's wedding conflicted with the game schedule You expect us to believe that ?
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 11, 2018 12:30:52 GMT -5
Congratulations, Lou, but where are your priorities? I suppose you had to walk her down the aisle.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 11, 2018 12:35:18 GMT -5
Jeff Goodman: Can Kevin Ollie save UCONN from irrelevance? www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22373679/is-former-uconn-husky-star-kevin-ollie-right-coachQuite a few parallels to HC, including: -Virtual unanimous feedback that Ollie (Carmody) is a “good guy” -Fans don’t like the conference -Recruiting struggles and too many empty scholarships -Struggles with offense, defense, and rebounding -Style of play that doesn’t emphasize toughness And something nobody thought we would have in common with UCONN: -Looming NCAA investigation
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 11, 2018 12:51:16 GMT -5
Weather WAS a factor for the Navy game. I missed my second game in the last 30 years or so. For those who insist this is a PL issue, you really should take 5-10 minutes to check out replays of non power conference games on ESPN3. Lots and lots of season tickets apparently sold to "Mr. EmptySeat". I haven't seen anybody post that only the PL has 'poor attendance', I certainly have seen a few posters note that some PL games (most recently yesterday's at BU and my own observation about the weather-related prior HC game) seem particularly poorly attended (each well under 1K even by official count). If people acknowledge attendance is a sport wide problem, then why do they keep bringing it up while expressing dissatisfaction with the PL?
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 11, 2018 12:55:29 GMT -5
Perhaps because it fits their world view (dare I say agenda?).
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 11, 2018 13:24:01 GMT -5
I haven't seen anybody post that only the PL has 'poor attendance', I certainly have seen a few posters note that some PL games (most recently yesterday's at BU and my own observation about the weather-related prior HC game) seem particularly poorly attended (each well under 1K even by official count). If people acknowledge attendance is a sport wide problem, then why do they keep bringing it up while expressing dissatisfaction with the PL? Just wait--next we'll hear that the Patriot League is the driving force in the decline in attendance nation wide
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Post by crossbball13 on Feb 11, 2018 14:27:57 GMT -5
Can’t help yourself from continuing to post the same thing over and over and over and over, huh? You must be a prospective student to know this right? Otherwise it’d just be your normal speculation. BTW, has HC beaten out HYP for football recruits lately? Believe you said something about them having no shot. You may want to get current on relative admissions and rankings. Of course there are outliers and exceptions to all generalities in life. That is not news. I'd engage but you'd just tell me HC's information is fake because the scores are "optional" and obviously no one would submit their scores if they did well. Then you'd tell me that GPA's are an inexact science due to inflation and deflation. Then you'd post to acceptance rate trends and nothing more. After that of course (about a week later), you'd post the same exact thing and on and on we go. I'll pass. ____ BU a fine school. An awful fit for the PL. Carmody a fine coach, but not going to get us over the hump it looks like. If the rumors are true 4 of his recruits have been kicked off the team (1 of which was expelled). We can't lose on and off the court so it might be a good time to change it up one more (last?) time. Perhaps this frees up 3 scholarships and we can remove the gap in recruiting that Milan created. We have a lot of bones (in my opinion more so than what Milan left us with) so changing after this year (Carmody stepping down -- not getting fired) would benefit the program, in my opinion. Given that the Luth is complete and we aren't exactly improving in sports, perhaps Pine should find his next opportunity elsewhere next year as well (not a firing, just a "non renewal" of contract). Can't keep banging our heads against the wall.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 11, 2018 15:11:10 GMT -5
KY should be able to provide us with stats on where you stand in HC record book, I'm thinking #1 Clearly #1and I’m not sure who’s competing for the distant #2 place.... BU hockey averaging 4,018 through 14 home dates. An attendance figure that our or their basketball team would kill for. But, on the other hand, a drop in the bucket compared to most big time basketball schools.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 11, 2018 15:11:57 GMT -5
"Can't keep banging our heads against the wall"...and yet you seem to enjoy doing so.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 11, 2018 15:13:41 GMT -5
I thought we had agreed to dispense with the rumors and await the facts on the suspensions
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Post by crossbball13 on Feb 11, 2018 16:32:33 GMT -5
I thought we had agreed to dispense with the rumors and await the facts on the suspensions Here's a fact: 3 players on the basketball team are currently suspended. One member on last years basketball team was expelled. We can't lose on and off the court here - a mantra I think everyone on the board can get behind. ____ RGS-- for the record, I've only recently come around with removing Carmody and letting Pine's contract expire. So I have not exactly been saying it over and over.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 11, 2018 16:57:03 GMT -5
Here is another set of facts... 1. You don't know what has happened or what will be determined after the investigation is concluded. (Yes, one player was expelled last season for misconduct.) Suspension until an investigation is concluded is standard. 2. What does your mantra mean? Personally, I can't get behind something unless I know what it means. 3. Coaches have some responsibility for their players. However, to ask for a punishment before the players have been found guilty of anything seems to be putting the cart before the horse. 4. You seem to be saying this yet again. I don't remember saying you had been repeating it for a long time, just that you were repeating it. For the record, if you stop saying it, I will not comment on it again. After all, as someone said recently, we don't want to keep beating our heads against a wall.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 11, 2018 20:00:10 GMT -5
Back to attendance, here are last year's averages per the ncaa.org website:
Bucknell 2529 Navy 1817 HC 1797 (which I highly question) Laffy 1488 Lehigh 1237 Army 1085 Loyola 790 Colgate 787 AU 743 BU 582
I question these #'s overall too...when I watch HC online, for the most part, I see row after row of empty seats/sections aside from maybe games at Bucknell or Navy.
Point being, can we really call this our "marquee sport" when the fan interest is so minimal league wide? Is it worth putting millions of dollars into this annually?
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Post by efg72 on Feb 11, 2018 20:11:58 GMT -5
Everything is compared to what and that includes salaries the school pays the faculty and staff. Clearly they are worthy of fair pay or a little more, but my guess is the rate of increase in salary might be a reason for increased tuition rates. If looking at the value proposition/ROI I would say financial support to the College has a greater chance of growing through sports than it might have by attracting and retaining faculty.
Maybe I am not all that objective, but I offer it up as an opinion.
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Post by joe on Feb 11, 2018 20:29:20 GMT -5
Even at BU, a large university, there were virtually no home students in attendence, and even less on our side. Most of the students at Case were the players, and BU cheerleaders, dancers, and band members. Well it was still fun to watch the JF show.
PL is just an awful basketball conference. Just awful. Only one exciting night per year, and that’s the PL title game when ESPN shows up. There’s maybe one legit midmajor team, and that’s Bucknell. Maybe. Big deal. Where are they going? Sweet sixteen? Please. Maybe the new slogan should be AOC - “Any Other Conference.”
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Post by lou on Feb 11, 2018 20:33:33 GMT -5
No ESPN for a few years now, CBSSN better anyway.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 11, 2018 20:45:15 GMT -5
I dunno......I had a lot of fun at the game yesterday. Winning is fun to me, big gyms or little gyms.
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 11, 2018 20:47:54 GMT -5
I dunno......I had a lot of fun at the game yesterday. Winning is fun to me, big gyms or little gyms. A G R E E D ! !
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 11, 2018 20:52:31 GMT -5
Those who went to support HC and to see our team play probably had a good time, much like you and Dave. Others would probably have spent too much time looking for someone who wanted to hear how bad BU as and how HC's win meant nothing.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 11, 2018 21:01:26 GMT -5
No ESPN for a few years now, CBSSN better anyway. The PL would be much better off having a deal with ESPN, rather than CBS. Get all conference games on ESPN3, and select games on ESPNU. PL semis on ESPNU, and then the PLC on 2.
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Post by joe on Feb 11, 2018 21:02:59 GMT -5
We had a great time at the game. I just wish more people appreciated these guys, not just parents and middle aged or older men. I’m sure the players love the game for the game, and not the glory. But I’m sure it would be nice if when they looked up in the stands they didn’t see so many empty seats starting back at them.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 11, 2018 21:03:45 GMT -5
Maybe 500 would watch instead of 200.....
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Post by hc87 on Feb 11, 2018 21:09:48 GMT -5
We had a great time at the game. I just wish more people appreciated these guys, not just parents and middle aged or older men. I’m sure the players love the game for the game, and not the glory. But I’m sure it would be nice if when they looked up in the stands they didn’t see so many empty seats starting back at them. It's decent, if not good D1 basketball at times, the thing is joe....hardly anyone cares about college hoop at our level....and they nevah will. We will nevah build a strong following/brand playing Patriot League basketball...it just is what it is. I'm not saying it's wrong to support the team/program as it exists now....but we are nevah going to have a big following beside our hearty few going forward if we remain in this league.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 11, 2018 22:27:57 GMT -5
Then stop posting about it Hopefully someone will finally listen......
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 11, 2018 22:55:51 GMT -5
Back to attendance, here are last year's averages per the ncaa.org website: Bucknell 2529 Navy 1817 HC 1797 (which I highly question) Laffy 1488 Lehigh 1237 Army 1085 Loyola 790 Colgate 787 AU 743 BU 582 I question these #'s overall too...when I watch HC online, for the most part, I see row after row of empty seats/sections aside from maybe games at Bucknell or Navy. Point being, can we really call this our "marquee sport" when the fan interest is so minimal league wide? Is it worth putting millions of dollars into this annually? For some comparison, here are some of today's attendance figures from low-major schools from the Northeast:
Loyola @ Lafayette 1,548 (about their season AVG) UMBC @ UNH 839 Albany @ Hartford 1,525 Stony Brook @ Maine 1,153 UMass-Lowell @ Vermont 2,910 Wagner @ FDU 1,731
I DO think it's pretty sad that more than a thousand more people found it more compelling to show up for Wagner-FDU than did for the Turnpike Trophy game between Holy Cross and BU. 6-21 MAINE got twice as many in the building as the Terriers.
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