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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 14, 2018 9:19:14 GMT -5
Might be off the thread too, but Blake Verbeek (freshman) at 6'10" and just 190 pounds has to be one of our skinniest b-ball players ever. No doubt he and Jeff Oliver are getting to be good friends.....
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Post by hchoops on Aug 14, 2018 9:39:12 GMT -5
Believe it or not Pat Whearty was about that weight in his senior year of high school
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Post by gerry on Aug 14, 2018 9:49:54 GMT -5
BC really doesn't play any local teams anymore. The only area teams that they have played consistently in recent years are Harvard and Providence, and the Harvard series seems to have disappeared likely due to the Crimson consistently beating BC. They haven't played HC or UMass in a few years, and don't seem interested in renewing those rivalries. It has been quite a while since they scheduled BU or Northeastern. They do seem to enjoy playing Connecticut schools (i.e. Hartford, Fairfield, CCSU, etc) for some reason. I guess they feel that it's a no win situation playing a local low or mid major, so they are better off playing these no name teams from other parts of the country (i.e. IUPUI, South Carolina State, Milwaukee, Nicholls State, etc). At least Syracuse schedules their neighbors Cornell and Colgate every year, and lately has scheduled St Bonaventure on a semi-regular basis.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 14, 2018 10:10:25 GMT -5
If the Jesuits really ran the show at most of these colleges/universities, you might see some greater insistence that BC, HC, Fairfield, Fordham, even (gasp!) Georgetown play each other at least semi-regularly. But, they don't. And totally agree that when a team regularly loses to a "lesser" team, there is a lot less incentive to play them. Win and "you're supposed to and why didn't you win by a bigger score?" Lose and nothing but down side. BC struggled against the Cross the last few games and even lost. Too many of us who remember that BC arch-rivalry (twice a year, even, in basketball) have passed on or in a smaller and smaller minority each passing year. In case no one has thought about it, the trick is to win the games you play; upgrade the schedule from there; then win those games; that puts you in a position to be more in demand and more demanding of opponents. Just surprised no one else has thought of that yet.
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Post by Tom on Aug 14, 2018 10:50:59 GMT -5
Might be off the thread too, but Blake Verbeek (freshman) at 6'10" and just 190 pounds has to be one of our skinniest b-ball players ever. Anything on-line only shows senior year height and weight, but Alex Vander Baan was in that neighborhood as a freshman. Listed at 6'9 205 as a senior. I know Whearty really bulked up at HC, but I don't remember him being really skinny as a freshman
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Post by hchoops on Aug 14, 2018 11:07:08 GMT -5
I saw Pat play in the Empire Games the summer before his senior year in HS. I thought he was much too thin for college hoops
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 14, 2018 11:12:02 GMT -5
Brendan Kiernan, a kid from way back (Raynor years?)was around the same size. Reece Horton too. When they stood sideways you almost couldn't see them.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 14, 2018 11:16:44 GMT -5
Regarding the schedule and attendance - it's been about half a generation since HC has hosted the PL title game. Making that a habit again certainly wouldn't hurt.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 14, 2018 11:37:05 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Aug 14, 2018 11:51:50 GMT -5
Regarding the schedule and attendance - it's been about half a generation since HC has hosted the PL title game. Making that a habit again certainly wouldn't hurt. PL title game at the Hart Center is an awesome atmosphere for college hoops. Would love for my kids to be able to experience it.
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Post by dadominate on Aug 14, 2018 13:08:47 GMT -5
I saw Pat play in the Empire Games the summer before his senior year in HS. I thought he was much too thin for college hoops hoops is right on. i lifted with pat a few times early in his freshman year and he was not very strong at all, even after accounting for his longer limb length that requires more power to move a bar with the same weight farther (in any meaningful movement) than a shorter person. if you ever see a tall guy with long arms/legs moving around a lot of weight, rest assured, he is strong as hell. in any event, pat's seemingly phantasmagoric physical transformation into what i would wager was the strongest and most physically-imposing division 1 basketball player in america his senior year (he weighted 270 pounds, despite what the program listed) was no accident. his summer work in the quarry (which unfortunately also resulted in a nasty staph infection), extreme dedication in the weight room, and what had to be a kimball record for consumption of chicken breasts and whole milk all led to him becoming the beast that we all remember him to be. not saying verbeek will do the same, as i have not seen a transformation like big pat's in any basketball player i have known, but pat had a lot of room to grow when he came to hc and if verbeek is dedicated, he will get bigger and stronger.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Aug 14, 2018 14:16:50 GMT -5
Last I checked it takes BOTH schools to agree to play. Did you float this to Martin Jarmond as well? BC finished their 2-1 obligation after HC embarrassed them at the Centrum and hasn't been interested since then. Of course they also chose not to play after HC had thugs like Vander Baan beating up on poor little Craig Smith and changed their minds On the other hand, HC unilaterally dropped BC in football. It does take two to tango I highly doubt that BC is afraid of playing Holy Cross right now. 8 of the 12 teams they played in their OOC last year were ranked higher than us. 8 of the 13 teams they played in their OOC two years ago were ranked higher than us.
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Post by bigfan on Aug 14, 2018 14:37:35 GMT -5
Get out of the PL, join a better league and BC will schedule us. They do not want to play and lose to the Patriot League.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 14, 2018 14:45:47 GMT -5
bc has had some ignominious OOC losses in past few years: Nicholls State, UMass-Lowell, Hartford.... I hope bc has many more such losses in years to come
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Post by HCFC45 on Aug 14, 2018 14:47:59 GMT -5
As for playing BC.... I happened to be near Jim Christian (BC BB coach) last year at an event in Boston and asked when he was going to play us again. His answer was "you have to come to our place"! I took that to mean that there will be no 2 for 1 deals or anything like that, you want to play us, come to BC. I really wanted to respond by saying "so you can boot our loudly cheering students back up into the rafters again when the game is close", but held back! !
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Post by bison137 on Aug 14, 2018 14:51:45 GMT -5
Get out of the PL, join a better league and BC will schedule us. They do not want to play and lose to the Patriot League. I seriously doubt you really believe that. Why are teams from strong leagues willing to play Bucknell, who also is in the PL?
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Post by timholycross on Aug 14, 2018 15:51:39 GMT -5
BC lost to worse teams than Holy Cross that year...it was expected and doubtful it led to a discontinuation of the series. Holy Cross lost the next year by 15 and didn't look like they belonged on the same floor as the Eagles
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Post by timholycross on Aug 14, 2018 15:58:49 GMT -5
So this coming season, BC is playing Yooee-Pooee, St Francis of Brooklyn and Sacred Heart at home. Providence too, which is, of course, a major, followed by Columbia, Fairfield and Hartford.
They'll be lucky to get as many for the 6 non-PC games as for PC. Went to a game w/Stony Brook 2 years ago and the crowd was no more than 1,000, no matter how many the paper said there were.
Also, I guess they didn't get the memo that playing a lot of non-league stiffs at home and winning them doesn't help their NCAA chances.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Aug 14, 2018 16:08:55 GMT -5
As for playing BC.... I happened to be near Jim Christian (BC BB coach) last year at an event in Boston and asked when he was going to play us again. His answer was "you have to come to our place"! I took that to mean that there will be no 2 for 1 deals or anything like that, you want to play us, come to BC. I really wanted to respond by saying "so you can boot our loudly cheering students back up into the rafters again when the game is close", but held back! ! So play them at their place every year. If we’re ever actually good again, there will be more HC fans there than at home games against Sacred Heart, Fairleigh Dickinson, etc.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 14, 2018 16:31:37 GMT -5
bc has had some ignominious OOC losses in past few years: Nicholls State, UMass-Lowell, Hartford.... I hope bc has many more such losses in years to come Those schools must be in power conferences if BC is wiling to play them. (...at least according to one poster here)
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Post by Tom on Aug 15, 2018 8:15:59 GMT -5
BC finished their 2-1 obligation after HC embarrassed them at the Centrum and hasn't been interested since then. Of course they also chose not to play after HC had thugs like Vander Baan beating up on poor little Craig Smith and changed their minds On the other hand, HC unilaterally dropped BC in football. It does take two to tango I highly doubt that BC is afraid of playing Holy Cross right now. 8 of the 12 teams they played in their OOC last year were ranked higher than us. 8 of the 13 teams they played in their OOC two years ago were ranked higher than us. I don't think BC is afraid of HC right now either - just agreeing with Clock Tower that it might not all be on HC
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Post by Tom on Aug 15, 2018 8:24:54 GMT -5
As for playing BC.... I happened to be near Jim Christian (BC BB coach) last year at an event in Boston and asked when he was going to play us again. His answer was "you have to come to our place"! I took that to mean that there will be no 2 for 1 deals or anything like that, you want to play us, come to BC. I really wanted to respond by saying "so you can boot our loudly cheering students back up into the rafters again when the game is close", but held back! ! So play them at their place every year. If we’re ever actually good again, there will be more HC fans there than at home games against Sacred Heart, Fairleigh Dickinson, etc. This one can be reasonably argued from both sides. For everyone who says head to Boston every year, someone else will bemoan the fact that there are too few home games. There is merit to both positions. If BC is saying they'll only play in Chestnut Hill and will not do a 2 for 1, I'm curious of the conditions. Is this a guarantee game? If it has to be in their gym every year, and there was no reasonable guarantee, I might be inclined to tell BC to pound sand
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 15, 2018 8:57:46 GMT -5
Well, not to be a defender of BC but it was Holy Cross who killed the rivalry. Once we stopped playing them in football it was like pulling a loose thread on a sweater. If we continued the rivalry it is quite possible that years later it would have been BC that pulled the trigger on our longstanding rivalry. But it wasn’t, it was us. Shame on us, not them.
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Post by Chu Chu on Aug 15, 2018 13:45:44 GMT -5
We are in no position to demand anything from anyone. We should schedule as best we can to play the best OOC competition, keep BC on our schedule, and keep improving. Then, scheduling will start to get easier.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 15, 2018 13:53:04 GMT -5
True, as a team gets stronger the scheduling does seem to get easier...but ask RW how well that worked. HC got stronger under him and, for a time, few teams wanted to play us...certainly not at the Hart. My favorite memory in this regard was when Fordham's coach said they would no longer be scheduling HC because we could not give them a competitive game. Then, right after that, he and his team lost to HC...poetic justice.
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