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Post by Tom on Dec 21, 2018 10:51:19 GMT -5
Was at game and as others have said due to the unconventional start time there were few fans and little energy in the building. Maybe we'll get an explanation for the scheduling at the same time the results of the NCAA investigation is released. Agree with NAD that Canisius had as much to do with losing the game as we had with winning it, and with Carmody who said in post game interview that we didn't play well and were fortunate to pull it out. That being said a win is a win and its on to Siena. A few thoughts, why did Green not shoot the T's as he has only missed one free throw this season, Floyd really bailed out Benzan at the end as he held the ball and waited to be fouled rather than continuing to move the ball and keep the clock running, after a really nice game against RI CLS only got a couple of short cameos and it seems that Carmody only gives him an extended opportunity in desperation situations such as against Army and Rhody. Who did shoot for the technical? With 38 minutes played, I assume Green was on the court. Damn this whole work thing that kept me out of Hart yesterday. Fortunately, I won't be working Saturday afternoon
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Post by hchoops on Dec 21, 2018 10:53:13 GMT -5
Grandy was 1-2 on the T Green was on the court
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Post by timholycross on Dec 21, 2018 11:06:45 GMT -5
This game has historical significance. Mobster Henry Hill (played by Ray Liotta in Goodfellas) recruited Rich Kuhn and two other BC players to shave points for this game (HC was favored to win by more than two). The bettors lost money on this game as Cobb scored a few points late to narrow the margin. I was there too. The whole thing was strange looking back. BC was supposed to lose by more than 2 and Sweeney admitted that the game was closer than he wanted it to be and made sure he fouled out. Cobb was acquitted of any wrongdoing and at that point having his shot blocked was not something he'd have wanted (he would have wanted the game to go to OT then lose by more than two). And, yes, Vicens got in a battle. It was down near the HC bench; he was standing up holding his very young son. Gave the kid to someone else and joined the fray. In this day and age he probably would have been escorted out by the local constabulary. The rivalry went back to high school, that's for sure. Don Bosco vs CM. Lot of hate there for a lot of reasons.
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Post by Tom on Dec 21, 2018 11:19:38 GMT -5
This game has historical significance. Mobster Henry Hill (played by Ray Liotta in Goodfellas) recruited Rich Kuhn and two other BC players to shave points for this game (HC was favored to win by more than two). The bettors lost money on this game as Cobb scored a few points late to narrow the margin. I was there too. The whole thing was strange looking back. BC was supposed to lose by more than 2 and Sweeney admitted that the game was closer than he wanted it to be and made sure he fouled out. Cobb was acquitted of any wrongdoing and at that point having his shot blocked was not something he'd have wanted (he would have wanted the game to go to OT then lose by more than two). Cobb in the 30 for 30 still claims he was not involved. His performance down the stretch in that game wasn't something I would expect from a player who wanted to get into OT to lose by more than two
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Post by hchoops on Dec 21, 2018 11:23:00 GMT -5
he is from BC GUILTY !!
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 21, 2018 12:33:48 GMT -5
I was at that game (with one of my runners that I was trying to interest in HC). I loved the game and though it was well played. When I learned about the effort to fix it later, I had a hard time believing it.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 21, 2018 13:18:04 GMT -5
Do not know if this has been mentioned, but with 1:37 left, HC down 1, Jehyve took a charge when he had 4 fouls. Another winning play.
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Post by DiMarz on Dec 21, 2018 13:33:56 GMT -5
Our group at the game thought Canisius played pretty tough D, so let's give them a little credit for our sloppiness At halftime I talked with the clock operator, who is a former official and a friend of mine, who thought the HC "sloppiness" was more about the quickness Canisius had on D..I thought that Canisius was very well prepared for HC.They got into passing lanes and took away a lot of the stuff HC has been successful with this season. One play stood out to me. I believe it was AB driving baseline, looking to kick it to the corner. Canisius took away that pass as the wing rotated to the baseline. AB then fired a pass to the the top of the key, the wing from the side of the floor AB came from rotate to the top and make the steal....
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 21, 2018 13:37:30 GMT -5
I rewatched the end of the first half and the last 5:13 of the game.
During the last 1:09 of the first half we closed with a 5-0 run. Add to that the 12-0 run at the end of the game.
In summary, in the last 6:22 (combined 1:09 and final 5:13) we went on a 17-0 run.....and we won by 2.
Wow!
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Post by hchoops on Dec 21, 2018 13:46:10 GMT -5
On the ESPN Sportscenter, Top 10, Kenny Mayne called it a walk off block Nice
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 21, 2018 14:42:09 GMT -5
I rewatched the end of the first half and the last 5:13 of the game. During the last 1:09 of the first half we closed with a 5-0 run. Add to that the 12-0 run at the end of the game. In summary, in the last 6:22 (combined 1:09 and final 5:13) we went on a 17-0 run.....and we won by 2. Wow! I think the run was only 12-0, cuz they never led by more than 10. Nonetheless, it was a 5+ minute shutdown. And a “W”!
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 21, 2018 15:02:01 GMT -5
crusader70 was combining the two end of period runs - a run at the end of each half. When HC hit the last 5 of the first half, we had been down 5. Then when HC hit the last 12, we had been down by 10. Nice job under pressure.
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 21, 2018 15:02:16 GMT -5
From the Canisius site: The loss drops Canisius to 77-2 since 2013-14 when leading with 2:00 left on the clock.
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 21, 2018 15:06:05 GMT -5
crusader70 was combining the two end of period runs - a run at the end of each half. When HC hit the last 5 of the first half, we had been down 5. Then when HC hit the last 12, we had been down by 10. Nice job under pressure.
Great point. And great clutch ends to the halves by our lads.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 21, 2018 15:11:15 GMT -5
From the Canisius site: Holy Cross Races Back to Beat Men’s Basketball
Game Recap Holy Cross outscored Canisius 10-0 over the game's final 5:13 and senior Jehyve Floyd blocked Canisius' last-second chance to tie the game at the buzzer as the host Crusaders posted a 65-63 win over the Golden Griffins Thursday afternoon in the Hart Center in Worcester, Mass. The win moves Holy Cross to 7-4 on the year, while the Golden Griffins slipped to 3-7 with their two-game win streak coming to an end with the defeat. Canisius took its largest lead of the day at 63-53 after senior Jibreel Faulkner slammed home a two-handed jam off an offensive rebound with 5:13 left on the clock. That, however, would be the Blue and Gold's final points of the contest, as Canisius was charged with four turnovers in the game's final 4:04 to help the Crusaders' comeback effort. Canisius led 63-60 with 3:37 left to play, but a common foul and a technical foul against the Griffs as the teams went to the benches for the under-four media timeout gave Holy Cross four free-throws. After making two of those four, the Griffs' lead was trimmed to 63-62. The score would remain 63-62 for the next 3:15 before Floyd took a baseline pass from teammate Jacob Grandison and scored with 22 seconds left to put the Crusaders up 64-63, the home team's first lead since the 18:36 mark of the second half. On the ensuing possession, Canisius turned the ball over, forcing the Blue and Gold to foul. Holy Cross made one of two free-throw chances, allowing Canisius 4.6 seconds to try and tie or win the game. Canisius' Malik Johnson raced the length of the floor as time was winding down and tossed the ball toward the rim, but Floyd came over and blocked the shot out-of-bounds as the final horn sounded to seal the victory for Holy Cross. Leading 45-44 with 14:27 left to play, Canisius used a 10-2 run over the span of 3:06 to take a 55-46 lead midway through the second half. In that run, which was started by a 3-pointer from Faulkner and fueled by five points by junior Isaiah Reese, the Griffs forced Holy Cross to miss three 3-point attempts and turn the ball over three times. Holy Cross whittled the Canisius cushion to five at 55-50 with 8:40 left on the clock, but a powerful two-handed jam off an offensive rebound by Faulkner and a bucket by sophomore Scott Hitchon off the feed from Reese allowed the Blue and Gold to regain a nine-point lead at 59-50 with 7:40 left on the game clock. Holy Cross again worked Canisius' lead down to two possessions, but four quick points from Canisius, capped by Faulkner's baseline jam with 5:13 left in the game, gave the Griffs their largest lead of the contest. Down the stretch, Holy Cross went just 3-for-7 from the free-throw line, but the Crusaders were able to hit on 3-of-5 shots from the floor to assist in their comeback efforts. Reese scored a game-high 16 points in the loss and also dished out four assists for Canisius, which shot 41.1 percent from the field, 30.4 percent from 3-point land and 76.9 percent from the free-throw line. Sophomore Takal Molson was good for 14 points and eight rebounds, while Hitchon posted 11 points to go with a career-high eight boards. Faulkner chipped in nine points, seven boards and two steals in the losing effort, as Canisius ended the game with a 38-33 advantage on the glass. For Holy Cross, Floyd and Grandison led the way with 15 points and seven rebounds, apiece, as the Crusaders shot 45.6 percent from the field, 19 percent from 3-point land and 56.3 percent from the free-throw stripe. Sophomore Matt Faw added 11 points and six rebounds before he fouled out of the game, a contest which saw four ties and six lead changes. Head Coach Reggie Witherspoon's Postgame Comments "I thought we worked so hard to build that lead in the second half, but then we lost our composure and we didn't play with poise and we let them right back into the game. Holy Cross is a solid, well-coached team. They've won some good games on the road and they're not going to just go away. We knew that coming into this game. We didn't stay locked-in mentally, and as the game got closer, we just didn't execute." Game Notes • This was the 20th all-time meeting between the two schools, and Holy Cross leads the series 14-6. • Thursday was the sixth time in series history where the final score between these two programs was settled by less than five points. Holy Cross is 5-1 in those six contests. • The loss drops Canisius to 77-2 since 2013-14 when leading with 2:00 left on the clock. • Reese matched a season-high with four 3-point field goal makes in the game. He has now scored in double-figures in 42 career contests, and the 16 points on Thursday allowed him to pass the 900-career point milestone. • Molson has now scored in double-figures in all 10 games this season and in 14-straight games, dating back to last year. • Four of Hitchon's career-high eight rebounds came off the offensive glass. He is averaging 11.0 points per game in the team's last five contests. • Faulkner has been credited with two steals in each of the team's last two games, which matches his career high.
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 21, 2018 15:17:08 GMT -5
Further illustration of how the hoop program has fallen: - Today's Boston Globe has a "College Basketball Notes" column which makes no mention whatsoever of our Crusaders. - Scanning the scores from yesterdays games - No HC score under "New England", no score under "Other East", but wait! Holy Cross 65 Canisius 63 is shown! Under "South"!!
Maybe this is as more a commentary on the Globe than on the HC program (or maybe not).
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 21, 2018 15:23:14 GMT -5
It is the Globe, for sure. Is the Globe still published? If it is, how many read it (when it was once MUST reading for sports in New England)? Perhaps they feel they can do a sloppy job of covering MASS college sports...because no one will notice.
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 21, 2018 15:47:31 GMT -5
It is the Globe, for sure. Is the Globe still published? If it is, how many read it (when it was once MUST reading foreparts in New England)? Perhaps they feel they can do a sloppy job of covering MASS college sports...because no one will notice. Right. I used to read it cover to cover at home before leaving for work. Now I just scan through because it’s here in the office. If anyone here needs to know how HC is doing, they’re VERY aware that they can get that info from me. (Probably much too aware, but I don’t really care!)
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Post by hchoops on Dec 21, 2018 16:01:48 GMT -5
Sportscenter—#7 (beats Zion)
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Post by lou on Dec 21, 2018 16:05:43 GMT -5
Maybe this is as more a commentary on the Globe than on the HC program (or maybe not). HC score listed under East in NYT today
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Post by hc6774 on Dec 21, 2018 17:05:04 GMT -5
Maybe this is as more a commentary on the Globe than on the HC program (or maybe not). HC score listed under East in NYT today also in CCT
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Dec 21, 2018 18:54:46 GMT -5
Further illustration of how the hoop program has fallen: - Today's Boston Globe has a "College Basketball Notes" column which makes no mention whatsoever of our Crusaders. - Scanning the scores from yesterdays games - No HC score under "New England", no score under "Other East", but wait! Holy Cross 65 Canisius 63 is shown! Under "South"!! Maybe this is as more a commentary on the Globe than on the HC program (or maybe not). Globe is not covering much college basketball, period. Occasional articles about BC or Harvard and a weekly column by Joe Sullivan and that's about it. I've emailed him twice to let him know that HC has a good team this year but no results so far.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 21, 2018 20:48:46 GMT -5
Thanks for your effort on HC's behalf. It can't hurt to try.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 21, 2018 20:52:46 GMT -5
We might have helped our own cause had we beaten Harvard. Alas.
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Post by HCFC45 on Dec 22, 2018 8:00:28 GMT -5
Sportscenter—#7 (beats Zion) Watching the replay of the last 4.6 seconds and replaying it several times shows how fortunate we were that Canisius did not tie the game up on that last play! Notice with about 2.2 seconds left, the guard with the ball gets by JF but does not pass the ball to the player who had gotten behind JG and was wide open underneath. Maybe he didn't see him or was just going to take it to the hoop no matter what!
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