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Post by Ray on Feb 1, 2019 9:41:22 GMT -5
Just wondering on my commute this AM. In light of the Gibbons news last night, how many more scandals have to break at HC before the accountability reaches the Father Burroughs' office?
Off the top of my head, and not to put all of these on equal footing, we've seen the following significant scandals over the past 12-18 months:
- Gibbons "personnel" issue - Mens Lax coach issue - recent issue with Philosophy prof and female students/subordinates - James David Christie issue - "attack on campus" issue from last fall and the associated online survey about the cultural of sexual harassment on campus - whatever the heck went on with the men's hoop team last year.
Sure, there's a skew here toward the athletic department, so maybe the buck stopped with FADNP. Or... maybe the athletic department is just the visible tip of the spear to a campus culture that's experiencing some significant rot. If so, where does the accountability fall?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 1, 2019 10:56:13 GMT -5
And this isn't even touching on the situations with Benny Liew and the Crusader. While they weren't scandals like the six examples you presented, it's hard to say that Father Burroughs came out looking like a strong leader of the College after the fact.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 1, 2019 12:30:15 GMT -5
Let's just say that Fr. Boroughs and Fr. Brooks are not cut from the same cloth (yeah, I know, Jesuit garb but you know what I mean).
Fr. Brooks' mettle was tested in the 60's with so many challenges as Dean and then President. Fr. Boroughs was born in non-controversial Canada. He wants everyone (especially large donors) to love him. You can argue that Brooks made some poor athletic decisions but he had his vision of Holy Cross and that was that (and told Alan Dershowitz essentially "sorry if you are offended about our mascot but we aren't changing because of your hurt feelings"). Brooks was a strong leader that we have not seen anyone come close to since.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 1, 2019 13:06:52 GMT -5
The enumerated "scandals" are typical of what goes on at most colleges / universities these days. E.g., www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/11/28/econometric-society-fryer/_________________________ Amd a look at HC's Clery reports suggests a campus culture much more into drinking alcohol to excess than drugs. And not without consequence. For those of short memory archive.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/02/25/despite_his_dark_past_he_gets_royal_treatment/And ten or so years ago, a fracas at a party at 2 City View resulted in one football player being assaulted by another team member and a non-student from Boston. The player who was attacked was hospitalized with puncture wounds of the chest and back. HC subsequently bought 2 City View and demolished it. T&G What was HC's response to this miscreant behavior? Bought and tore down half the houses on Caro, -----and as a consequence, BBC gained an avatar.
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Post by Ray on Feb 1, 2019 15:09:34 GMT -5
While your first link is relevant, PP, I fail to see how anything below the solid line is even remotely related to the enumerated matters at hand.
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Post by HCFC45 on Feb 1, 2019 16:59:41 GMT -5
Just wondering on my commute this AM. In light of the Gibbons news last night, how many more scandals have to break at HC before the accountability reaches the Father Burroughs' office?
Off the top of my head, and not to put all of these on equal footing, we've seen the following significant scandals over the past 12-18 months:
- Gibbons "personnel" issue - Mens Lax coach issue - recent issue with Philosophy prof and female students/subordinates - James David Christie issue - "attack on campus" issue from last fall and the associated online survey about the cultural of sexual harassment on campus - whatever the heck went on with the men's hoop team last year.
Sure, there's a skew here toward the athletic department, so maybe the buck stopped with FADNP. Or... maybe the athletic department is just the visible tip of the spear to a campus culture that's experiencing some significant rot. If so, where does the accountability fall?
I assume your 3rd point refers to the following article in Worcester Magazine: www.worcestermag.com/news/20190131/holy-cross-professor-on-administrative-leave-after-sexual-harassment-allegations
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 1, 2019 17:22:34 GMT -5
That's a new one on me, 45. Never heard about it. What in hell is going on up there?
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Post by HCFC45 on Feb 1, 2019 21:47:10 GMT -5
That's a new one on me, 45. Never heard about it. What in hell is going on up there? That's exactly the question that was asked of me this afternoon from an attorney friend who called and asked me if I had heard about this one... Looks like it is not in the local news but is on the Worcester Magazine website... Sad! !
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Post by hcpride on Feb 2, 2019 5:24:10 GMT -5
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Post by td128 on Feb 2, 2019 6:29:48 GMT -5
www.worcestermag.com/news/20190123/sexual-misconduct-allegations-raise-concerns-at-holy-crossWow . . . How do you spell predator? I may be inaccurate in my assessment of what has been released but it appears that the college put Professor Dustin on administrative leave after months of investigation BUT only after the Worcester Magazine article came out. The timing of these developments raises concerns and would seem to add support to the premise that " transparency is the best disinfectant." Speaking of which, this statement in the article referenced above is particularly disturbing: "Multiple sources from within Holy Cross indicate the cases of Dustin and Christie are emblematic of a much larger problem."Once again, you never find just one mouse.Wow. That statement from the article has all the earmarks that there are whistleblowers at Holy Cross who have tried to bring to light that the issues exemplified by the predatory nature of Christie's and now Dustin's behaviors run much deeper. The fact that "multiple sources" are referenced by Worcester Magazine on this topic indicates that the whistleblowers feel their concerns have gone unheeded. This is not uncommon practice when confronted by whistleblowers but raises serious questions as to the accountability of those at the top. To think that this may be the case while time was spent over the last few years engaged in what many view as pandering on the topic of a mascot is very troubling. Additionally, if anybody sees a statement from the college or any Catholic college on the recently passed legislation in NY and similar legislation in other states dealing with life and the birthing process, can you please share it with me (DM me)? I'm looking to see where our leaders within Catholic education stand on the topic and if they feel any accountability to speak out on selected specific legislation. Perhaps they might also help educate us with some comparative analysis on how a wall and the topic of immigration, illegal and otherwise, generates all sorts of dialogue regarding morality while infanticide seems to generate nary a peep? Hmmmmm . . . Don't want to get political here so just DM me. Thanks.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 2, 2019 11:46:07 GMT -5
It has long been my opinion that Fr. B. Is the wrong man for the job at this critical juncture in our history. He has done very little right and quite a bit wrong in my opinion. Time for the BOT to do what needs to be done.
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Post by gks on Feb 4, 2019 11:28:19 GMT -5
Telegram is reporting on twitter that there is currently a student sit in going on in Fenwick Hall outside the President's office.
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Post by Ray on Feb 4, 2019 11:34:34 GMT -5
Link to tweet with picture:
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Post by hcpride on Feb 4, 2019 11:48:58 GMT -5
/\ /\ www.telegram.com/news/20190204/at-holy-cross-students-protest-schools-response-to-sex-offense-allegations
WORCESTER - Frustrated by what they see as the administration’s slow and inadequate responses to reported sex offenses on campus, students at Holy Cross are staging a sit-in protest in front of the president’s office this morning. Rev. Philip Boroughs has received the students’ list of demands, which call for the leadership to be accountable for the alleged sexual misconduct of a professor at the college who has been under investigation by the administration. Students say they’ll wait in front of his office until they get a response, saying today’s protest comes from a growing dissatisfaction with the administration’s overall handling of communication with students. “A lot of us were angry and decided to do this,” said senior Mia Ye, one of the organizers of the sit-in. “There are so many things that happened this year that students found out about very late ... I honestly feel like that’s to keep people in the dark.” Jules Cashman, a first-year student, said the incidents, which also included a reported hate-based attack on a student on campus this past fall, have overshadowed the positive things going on at the school this year. “It’s very discouraging,” she said. “I’m from Worcester, I believe in Holy Cross. I think it can do better than this.” The college said the administration is willing to meet with students. “We want our students to make their voices heard, and we appreciate that this issue is a serious one,” the college said in a statement. “Fr. Boroughs has already expressed to the students his willingness to meet with them and have this important conversation, so the students to make clear their concerns and we can continue to work together on solutions.”
— Scott O’Connell (@scottoconnelltg) February 4, 2019
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Post by crusader12 on Feb 4, 2019 13:03:21 GMT -5
Father Phil has got to go!
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Post by HC13 on Feb 4, 2019 14:07:34 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 4, 2019 17:19:06 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 4, 2019 17:24:23 GMT -5
Imagine being a prospective student visiting the school, and walking through Fenwick seeing this.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 4, 2019 17:37:14 GMT -5
According to the Spire, in their demands letter to Fr. B. the students state that the investigation into Dustin took 20 months.
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Post by td128 on Feb 4, 2019 17:53:00 GMT -5
So based on what has been learned so far, it appears that TPTB on campus allow a predator hitting on a student to remain on campus as a senior member of the faculty during a 20 month investigation AND then put him on administrative leave AFTER Worcester Magazine publishes the story.
After gagging on the fact that an investigation of this nature went on for 20 months, I would hope the first question posed by the BOT to those in position of authority on campus who handled/are handling this situation is, . . . "You did what?"
Perhaps the Campus Policy Book should be updated to read, "For those in a position of power, authority, or oversight, if you hit on the students or subordinates, "PACK YOUR BAGS and GTFO!!"
Wow . . . just wow . . .
#uninspiring
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Post by hcpride on Feb 4, 2019 18:08:32 GMT -5
The ratio of good news from HC hitting the newswire the last two years to bad news from HC hitting the newswire the past two years is absolutely awful for HC. Almost bizarrely so. (I am assuming that Catholic parents eyeballing HC are not impressed with Pr. Liew and the whole self-inflicted Crusader kerfuffle so I'm lumping that in with the obvious bad news stories we've generated.)
While one ordinarily takes student protests with a grain of salt, the underlying issue on this sit-in is certainly substantive (and not good for HC on a number of fronts.)
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Post by td128 on Feb 4, 2019 18:36:01 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 4, 2019 19:14:30 GMT -5
It is not all negative. The fact that students can have such a protest/sit-in at all makes a positive statement about the atmosphere at Holy Cross.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 4, 2019 19:26:25 GMT -5
Anyone remember the sit in protesting the dismissal of students who held a similar sit-in...and got the situation reversed? Anyone remember the sit-in and boycott of the car in Kimball to protest raising the price of their home-made donuts? HC survived both.
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Post by gks on Feb 4, 2019 19:28:06 GMT -5
With all the negative news surrounding Jesuits/HC lately they have to let the kids protest.
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