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Post by hcpride on Feb 6, 2019 16:42:46 GMT -5
I agree with your observation. Taping is a two-edged sword. It is amazing what tapes can be made to show. And, if the educator makes a tape, the student is free to do so as well. At my high school staff makes the assumption they are always being recorded and never (I say again, never) meets with a student or parent without another staff member present. Regardless of the genders involved.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 6, 2019 18:33:06 GMT -5
www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-catholic-church-abuse-plan-1.3648750_____________________ When I was in 4th and 5th grade, I got to be a master of ceremonies, so I was released from public school to serve at probably an average of three funerals a week (most were solemn highs) and I spent more time in church than I did in class. One of the parish priests was a former BC football player, and I would shag golf balls for him (the 'range' was the nearby cemetery). When I was in 5th grade, he bought a new set of clubs, and he gave me his old set and bag. Nothing untoward. But I can certainly see that sort of gifting never happening in the current era. There was no 'competition' to be chosen to serve at a funeral mass, weddings were another matter, as these were lucrative financially. In retrospect, the potential for favoritism and abuse would certainly be there. And as the article about clerical abuse of nuns indicates, priests apparently took advantage of the confessional to identify potential future victims.
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Post by rickii on Feb 7, 2019 10:51:10 GMT -5
Over ? Guess they ran out of donuts....
Who are Mia and Teresa ? Apparantly, in order to receive this 'communique' ( fancy ) Mia and Teresa had to get everyone's email addy
SIDEBAR : Are there dozens of emergency call boxes ( often painted yellow with blue light atop the pole ) outdoors all over campus ?
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 7, 2019 11:10:24 GMT -5
SIDEBAR answer: Yes. Not sure painted yellow, but definitely have the "Blue Light System" call boxes - which every college tour I was on with both my kids between 2011 & 2014 had.
Believe Mia and Teresa are two of the leaders who organized the sit-in.
With technology today, it's easy for folks to join a group e-mail and you don't need the e-mail. People join a Facebook group. Post the message there. Everyone in the group will see it.
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Post by crusader12 on Feb 7, 2019 12:30:43 GMT -5
Holy Cross is in a tail spin. I pulled the plug from president's council two years ago and things have gotten significantly worse. We as alum need to make our voice heard and not put up with this crap anymore. Real leadership is needed at this College.
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Post by Tom on Feb 8, 2019 9:16:43 GMT -5
Another question - how does it affect the teacher/student relationship? Would a male Professor be hesitant to meet with a female student out of class - on the campus - without someone else being present? I am guessing that is where we are headed and will be part of the protocol. Just playing devil's advocate, but isn't that discrimination? A male student goes to see a prof for extra help and there's nobody around. The male student has access to the extra help. A female student in the same situation doesn't have access to the same extra help if no one else is around.. It's kind of like one bad apple spoiling something for everyone. We are losing something as a society if we can't have normal legitimate interactions because we need all these safeguards and protocols. The prof Dustins of the world might be making this necessary, but it would be a necessary evil
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Post by hcpride on Feb 8, 2019 10:22:14 GMT -5
Another question - how does it affect the teacher/student relationship? Would a male Professor be hesitant to meet with a female student out of class - on the campus - without someone else being present? I am guessing that is where we are headed and will be part of the protocol. Just playing devil's advocate, but isn't that discrimination? A male student goes to see a prof for extra help and there's nobody around. The male student has access to the extra help. A female student in the same situation doesn't have access to the same extra help if no one else is around.. It's kind of like one bad apple spoiling something for everyone. We are losing something as a society if we can't have normal legitimate interactions because we need all these safeguards and protocols. The prof Dustins of the world might be making this necessary, but it would be a necessary evil A prudent professor (of any gender) does not meet alone with a student (of any gender). No discrimination.
(That is the normal course of action at many high schools nowadays. And one can substitute in the word parent for student.)
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Post by alum on Feb 8, 2019 13:02:29 GMT -5
Pride
Serious questions. How do you manage it? Are there enough administrators to go around? Maybe schools ought to be designed with windowed student/teacher meeting rooms in the main office where the door can be kept open. What does the guidance counselor or school psychologist do?
I don't think I ever went to office hours in college except to get my advisor's signature on a form. My youngest tells me that she goes to see her professors quite frequently. Perhaps that's why her grades are so good and why we need a way for this interchange to work.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 8, 2019 13:52:55 GMT -5
Just playing devil's advocate, but isn't that discrimination? A male student goes to see a prof for extra help and there's nobody around. The male student has access to the extra help. A female student in the same situation doesn't have access to the same extra help if no one else is around.. It's kind of like one bad apple spoiling something for everyone. We are losing something as a society if we can't have normal legitimate interactions because we need all these safeguards and protocols. The prof Dustins of the world might be making this necessary, but it would be a necessary evil A prudent professor (of any gender) does not meet alone with a student (of any gender). No discrimination.
(That is the normal course of action at many high schools nowadays. And one can substitute in the word parent for student.)
What happens when a 45-year old manager at a company is meeting with his direct report, who happens to be fresh out of college, for their annual review? Is this not allowed?
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Post by hcpride on Feb 8, 2019 13:59:47 GMT -5
Pride Serious questions. How do you manage it? Are there enough administrators to go around? Maybe schools ought to be designed with windowed student/teacher meeting rooms in the main office where the door can be kept open. What does the guidance counselor or school psychologist do? I don't think I ever went to office hours in college except to get my advisor's signature on a form. My youngest tells me that she goes to see her professors quite frequently. Perhaps that's why her grades are so good and why we need a way for this interchange to work. Good question. Extra help before school is given in the school library, Teachers meet students there. Same goes for after school (as applicable).
Parent teacher conferences are held in the gym. Other communication w/parents tends to be email (avoiding possible misrepresentations of phone conversations).
Two administrators are present for all disciplinary conferences with students.
Can't speak to guidance/social worker/nurse protocols (I do know their doors are never closed)
My college daughter attends her professor's office hours quite regularly (different from when I went to school but that is another story). This seems to be the norm for all of her friends. Held in a large conference room (never in an office) or classroom and are attended by large groups of students and TA/GA/CA's as applicable. Problem-set office hours are run by pairs of TA's/CA's. I don't know if this is deliberate but she is never alone with a professor as far as I know.
(Like you I may have gone to see my HC professors once in a blue moon... but ordinarily never.)
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Post by hc87 on Feb 8, 2019 14:19:10 GMT -5
I went to my profs offices often hat in hand..... As hcpride outlined, it's mostly common sense in the protocols used with meeting students...but it is sad that we have lost that sense of trust today. Education has become somewhat of a "minefield" today....as my Dad (and my grades ) dissuaded me from entering medicine in the 1980s, I'd steer my son (if I had one) away from a career in education today.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2019 14:53:02 GMT -5
When we got a new superintendent (who was pretty universally disliked), his one big success was installing large picture windows in every counselor's office. There was no expectation of privacy, so it was never an issue.
(BTW my two sons had thought about education then put it far behind. They each said they could never put up with the sort of stuff that I had to deal with from some parents (and their minions in administration).
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Post by hcpride on Feb 8, 2019 15:45:40 GMT -5
When we got a new superintendent (who was pretty universally disliked), his one big success was installing large picture windows in every counselor's office. There was no expectation of privacy, so it was never an issue. (BTW my two sons had thought about education then put it far behind. They each said they could never put up with the sort of stuff that I had to deal with from some parents (and their minions in administration). Not only would I forbid my kids to go into education, that seems to be the common directive that all the teachers (and admins) at my school give to their own children nowadays.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2019 20:49:14 GMT -5
Absolutely!
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 11, 2019 9:24:16 GMT -5
I wish I could find it now (LinkedIn's timeline of posted stories is the absolute worst example of an efficient social media platform, after their web redesign last year), but a recent Holy Cross alumna penned a two page letter speaking to the integrity Professor Dustin's character, calling the local publication's piece a hit job, and accusing HC of a lack of leadership. Perhaps someone else came across it, but it was posted seemingly "a week ago" according to LinkedIn. Who knows what the hell is going on.
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Post by JRGNYR on Feb 11, 2019 9:48:04 GMT -5
I'm a retired NYC public HS teacher of 33 years. My years in classroom teaching were blissful. I have encouraged many young people (including family members) to pursue a career in teaching if they believed that teaching was their calling. Also, I mentored a number of future teachers in the Columbia College student teaching program, via Barnard. In addition I mentored a number of mid-career adults who decided to enter the teaching profession. Other successful teacher friends have encouraged their children to follow a career in teaching. Obviously, some teachers discourage their children from entering the teaching profession for various reasons. But, there are teachers such as myself who happily recommend the teaching profession to young people. LoveHC mm, thank you for your service in the NYC public schools. Obviously your advice to young people is a product of your very positive and fulfilling experiences you had during your career. My wife has taught in both public and private school, and currently is a music teacher at a private school for children with special needs. She loves her current job. There are certainly pros and cons to both settings. She loves teaching (and you absolutely have to love it to find it fulfilling), but education nowadays is very much a "minefield" (to steal from an earlier comment in this thread). She's lived both ends of the spectrum on the public side - first with a very supportive administration and collaborative school board comprised of proactive parents - and on the other side with a powerless, hands-tied administration acting at the whims of a largely divisive school board made up of selfish, ignorant parents who lack concern for the greater good of the entire student body. They're sadly more likely to push out good teachers because the teachers (God forbid) challenged their kids and handed out a few Cs in favor of others who they can push around both in terms of grading and contract negotiations. In education, like most industries, it depends on the quality of the leadership, the resources and your teammates.
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Post by moose1970 on Feb 11, 2019 16:42:07 GMT -5
I'm a retired NYC public HS teacher of 33 years. My years in classroom teaching were blissful. I have encouraged many young people (including family members) to pursue a career in teaching if they believed that teaching was their calling. Also, I mentored a number of future teachers in the Columbia College student teaching program, via Barnard. In addition I mentored a number of mid-career adults who decided to enter the teaching profession. Other successful teacher friends have encouraged their children to follow a career in teaching. Obviously, some teachers discourage their children from entering the teaching profession for various reasons. But, there are teachers such as myself who happily recommend the teaching profession to young people. LoveHC i have a sister who is a retired math teacher from the NYC public school system. i have great admiration for those who pursue the teaching "vocation" as for me i live by the faber college motto, "knowledge is good"
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Post by crosspride on Feb 26, 2019 12:36:20 GMT -5
Not sure this is the right place to post or if it has been posted already:
A video representing the views of at least a small group (maybe more?) of current HC students as it relates to handling of Prof. Dustin.
While I think the college and Burroughs have done a very poor job handling recent issues at HC, to me this is an inappropriate way to address the situation.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 26, 2019 14:06:20 GMT -5
The hits just keep on coming. How embarrassing.
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Post by crusader12 on Feb 26, 2019 14:45:52 GMT -5
The wheels have now come off the wagon.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 26, 2019 15:14:13 GMT -5
Not sure this is the right place to post or if it has been posted already: A video representing the views of at least a small group (maybe more?) of current HC students as it relates to handling of Prof. Dustin. While I think the college and Burroughs have done a very poor job handling recent issues at HC, to me this is an inappropriate way to address the situation. These asshats are an embarrassment to Holy Cross. I am no fan of Borroughs and the current administration, but if these are the types of people being admitted to Holy Cross these days, there are bigger problems on the horizon.
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Post by rickii on Feb 26, 2019 16:20:01 GMT -5
Disgusting
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 26, 2019 16:28:10 GMT -5
The not, not, not ready for prime time players. I agree it is inappropriate and immature, but it has a spark of creativity. If I was the editor of this piece I would say try to increase humor by 50%, reduce meanness by 50% and see if you can say something of value without going for a good Priest's jugular.
If we had youtube back in the day, it would probably be used to film a horse being euthanized at a local farm followed by a shot of roast beef au jus being served at Kimball Dining Hall.
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Post by purple1 on Feb 26, 2019 17:19:15 GMT -5
I hope the BOT takes a close look at this piece of rubbish. What warped view of life do these (students???) live in ? Is there no respect for others ? If they choose to do such a foolish production privately that is their prerogative, but public display of such rubbish should not be tolerated. These not ready for prime time players need to be admonished by administration with their parents present. This paints a very negative picture for Holy Cross....
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Post by HC13 on Sept 11, 2020 6:48:12 GMT -5
Professor accused of sexual misconduct no longer at Holy Cross By Scott O’Connell Telegram & Gazette Staff @scottoconnelltg Posted Sep 10, 2020 at 3:43 PM Updated Sep 11, 2020 at 6:28 AM WORCESTER — Two years after he became a focal point of misconduct complaints at the school — and more than two decades since the first publicly revealed allegations against him were made — professor Christopher Dustin no longer has a job at the College of the Holy Cross. John Hill, a spokesman for the school, on Thursday said the former philosophy department faculty member, who first joined the college in 1991, was no longer employed at Holy Cross; his last day was Sept. 4. An email sent from the provost and dean of the college, Margaret Freije, to her colleagues on Wednesday that was obtained by the Telegram & Gazette also confirms Dustin is no longer on the faculty and won’t be returning to campus. More details about when and how Dustin’s employment ended were not available Thursday. The college placed him on administrative leave two years ago to investigate the allegations against him. Those accusations go back as far as 1997, when 1999 alum Jaime McAllister-Grande said she reported Dustin to the college’s administration for his “inappropriate behavior” toward her when she was a sophomore at the school. More recently, a 2017 graduate of the college also claimed to Worcester Magazine last year that Dustin had made “romantic advances and explicit sexually charged comments” to her beginning in 2016. A year later, in 2017, Dustin was promoted to dean of faculty at Holy Cross, a title that was rescinded by the college a year later amid complaints of his alleged behavior toward students. On Thursday, the 2017 alum, who still wishes to remain anonymous, said she was “glad to know he was held responsible for his actions. It is relieving to know that professors, leaders and mentors who we trust are still held to account.” McAllister-Grande on Thursday, meanwhile, questioned why the college hadn’t provided more context about how Dustin came to be no longer employed at Holy Cross. “I realize that investigations like these involve a great deal of confidential and sensitive information. But in my opinion, favoring secrecy over transparency has been a piece of the problem all along,” she said. “I’d like to see movement towards a more open and honest approach; that would help me feel like Holy Cross leadership has learned something in this process.” Dustin’s alleged misconduct played a key role in spurring student-led protests against Holy Cross’ administration in early 2019; students accused college leadership of mishandling his case and other instances of reported sexual harassment and abuse on campus. Scott O’Connell can be reached at Scott.O’Connell@telegram.com. Follow him on Twitter @scottoconnelltg
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