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Post by classof83 on Feb 5, 2019 17:57:54 GMT -5
I also am not defending the Professor or Holy Cross, but I have a problem with the article that was written - this was not the Globe Spotlight Team. The article mentions the accuser says "over time, this evolved into explicit romantic advances, many of which were over email." The reporter, Sarah Connell, mentions the emails, but did she request copies of the emails from the accuser or the college? I would assume it would be part of the investigative work the college would have done. There is no mention that the reporter tried to find the emails to verify the accusations- it just hangs out there. The reporter also writes, "Dustin did not respond to an email seeking comment for this story". Really - he didn't respond to a single email. Does this mean the reporter only reached out to him once and no phone call attempt?
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Post by rickii on Feb 5, 2019 18:11:53 GMT -5
Home made signs ? I see more with custom lettering on placards....where can that be done on campus ?
Where did the like new looking magaphones come from ? They sold in the bookstore ?
Lastly, why are so many of these female students laughing ?
As Ray and others noted, HC is certainly on a string of bad news over the past 24 months or so.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 5, 2019 18:54:11 GMT -5
I had all of the same observations regarding the pictures. It looks more like a frolic and (fortunately) the students in the pictures do not seem to feel threatened in any way.
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Post by rickii on Feb 5, 2019 19:41:55 GMT -5
I had all of the same observations regarding the pictures. It looks more like a frolic and (fortunately) the students in the pictures do not seem to feel threatened in any way. Considering the subject matter it's disgusting.
Free Dunkin' Donuts and laughter....WHAT A CAMPUS CULTURE !
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Post by hc87 on Feb 5, 2019 22:19:41 GMT -5
Time to go back to being an all-male school.....I kid, I kid......
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 6, 2019 7:13:30 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Feb 6, 2019 7:23:05 GMT -5
Holy Cross philosophy professor Christopher Dustin has been placed on administrative leave, according to an email sent to members of the campus community by President Rev. Philip Boroughs Wednesday night.
In the email, Boroughs wrote, “I want you to know that over many months, the College conducted a thorough and extensive investigation, and [Dustin] was found responsible and sanctioned for violating our policy.”
I am not sure if the protesting students are aware that this (paid or unpaid 'administrative leave') is different from termination and they may very well see the tenured professor back on campus. (Of course there may be some negotiations/compensation and/or new allegations resulting in a resignation at some date.)
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Post by alum on Feb 6, 2019 7:34:30 GMT -5
I am pleased that the College reached this agreement with the students. With regard to Demand 1, I don't like apologies about perceived disappointment. Either educate the students about why you haven't done anything wrong or apologize. This mealy mouthed in between thing that politicians, actors, and professional athletes use stinks.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 6, 2019 10:00:23 GMT -5
If it isn't already obvious, let me just say that this is not the same college that I attended and graduated from. Not saying it is better or worse but it sure is different.
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 6, 2019 10:50:11 GMT -5
mm67 has it right. I would posit it's not the same world as when you, or I, or someone from the class of 2014 graduated.
When folks ask what's going on up on the hill, the answer is the same thing that's happening in Hollywood, corporate America, and government. The fact that Holy Cross is a Catholic institution and educates Men & Women for Others simply makes the details of such revelations more hypocritical becasue we're supposed to be better than and hold ourselves to a higher standard than corporations or government officials.
Fact of the matter is, since 1967, The College of the Holy Cross has been a corporation and more & more it's policies and procedures reflect generally accepted procedures corporations use. When you present yourself as something better than that, your policies and procedures have to be better than that and have to adapt quicker, otherwise, you find yourself on the wrong side of a news story not to mention something of an identity crisis.
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Post by alum on Feb 6, 2019 11:08:08 GMT -5
If it isn't already obvious, let me just say that this is not the same college that I attended and graduated from. Not saying it is better or worse but it sure is different. I'm sure you can imagine what the guys from the Class of 1921 thought when you and your long haired pinko commie friends were protesting the Vietnam War and disrupting the work of those poor guys in dark suits, starched white shirts, and rep ties who were just trying to offer jobs at General Electric. EDIT: I should have added "bell bottom wearing, flowered shirt sporting" to my description.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 6, 2019 11:34:11 GMT -5
mm67 has it right. I would posit it's not the same world as when you, or I, or someone from the class of 2014 graduated. When folks ask what's going on up on the hill, the answer is the same thing that's happening in Hollywood, corporate America, and government. The fact that Holy Cross is a Catholic institution and educates Men & Women for Others simply makes the details of such revelations more hypocritical becasue we're supposed to be better than and hold ourselves to a higher standard than corporations or government officials. Fact of the matter is, since 1967, The College of the Holy Cross has been a corporation and more & more it's policies and procedures reflect generally accepted procedures corporations use. When you present yourself as something better than that, your policies and procedures have to be better than that and have to adapt quicker, otherwise, you find yourself on the wrong side of a news story not to mention something of an identity crisis. So true. You will note in the communique that the college said there was no policy for retracting academic awards, so one can't simply take away the 'best professor' award. ___________________________ Life as it was not long ago. From a 2014 blog post by a former student regarding Title IX at HC. vigilatholycross.wordpress.com/2014/08/17/ignorance-of-title-ix-at-the-college-of-the-holy-cross/IIRC from five years ago, Conley was identified by HC as the investigator / trier of fact / and decider with respect to misconduct claims against non-faculty employees of the college, which included employees of the athletic department. He is no longer at HC.
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Post by Ray on Feb 6, 2019 11:38:46 GMT -5
Yeah, just browsing that blog, I don't think I'd be using it as supporting material for any position.
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Post by td128 on Feb 6, 2019 11:41:51 GMT -5
If the college does not have a separate Office for Whistleblower Submissions and Whistleblower Protection, it should. Fairly obvious that the individuals involved in the Title IX Office are conflicted.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 6, 2019 12:00:31 GMT -5
Yeah, just browsing that blog, I don't think I'd be using it as supporting material for any position. IIRC, she camped outside the gate for months, if not years. The rambling narrative in the blog indicates she made a claim of sexual abuse by a Jesuit, which, by her account, the college failed to act on. From the timeline, she and the college engaged in settlement negotiations during Fr. McF's tenure.
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Post by Ray on Feb 6, 2019 13:22:25 GMT -5
Yeah, just browsing that blog, I don't think I'd be using it as supporting material for any position. IIRC, she camped outside the gate for months, if not years. The rambling narrative in the blog indicates she made a claim of sexual abuse by a Jesuit, which, by her account, the college failed to act on. From the timeline, she and the college engaged in settlement negotiations during Fr. McF's tenure. You should do some more reading. And regardless of what happened, which is no doubt awful, it happened while studying abroad, so it was presumably not an HC-affiliated Jesuit. And posts made on that blog like "Is Fr. Burroughs cognitively impaired" really don't help establish credibility of the rest of the rest of the blog. (To be clear: I'm not at all questioning the veracity of the abuse claim.) Anyway, this is quite a rabbit hole. But my point is that the relationship of this blog/allegation to the current thread is roughly the same as the connection you drew between the Ashley Cooper matter and the current Gibbons suspension in the other thread. Which is to say there's no relationship.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 6, 2019 15:18:21 GMT -5
True enough. Another group that comes "out of there woodwork" after such a story consists of those who are seeking to make a few bucks on someone else's situation. (That was something I learned from a different attorney who represents people facing an accusation of misconduct - such as making someone "uncomfortable.")
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 6, 2019 15:35:59 GMT -5
Well, I am not sure I could any longer use NY as an ethical standard. After all, isn't NY the same state that now allows living children to be killed if they survive an attempted late term abortion? Is that the sort of action a "reasonable person" would ever allow?
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 6, 2019 16:18:41 GMT -5
I was certainly stretching the "reasonable person" concept. I conflated it with my outrage at the new infanticide enabling legislation that got a standing ovation from the NY State Senate.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 6, 2019 16:19:59 GMT -5
I believe that NY uses the "Reasonable Person" standard. Would a reasonable person be uncomfortable? I suspect that in today's climate many would answer "Yes." Watch your "p's" and "q's". LoveHC Whenever in a bar, I always check the slate to see what "p"s and "q"s have been charged to me.
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Post by classof83 on Feb 6, 2019 16:22:52 GMT -5
Another question - how does it affect the teacher/student relationship?
Would a male Professor be hesitant to meet with a female student out of class - on the campus - without someone else being present?
I am guessing that is where we are headed and will be part of the protocol.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 6, 2019 16:25:46 GMT -5
Another question - how does it affect the teacher/student relationship? Would a male Professor be hesitant to meet with a female student out of class - on the campus - without someone else being present? I am guessing that is where we are headed and will be part of the protocol. I think that is already happening. Remember, it is the accusation that does the damage, regardless of what my have happened (or not happened). I always cautioned my counseling interns to avoid being in situations of student where there is "an expectation of privacy." It can be most dangerous to a career.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 6, 2019 16:26:17 GMT -5
Another question - how does it affect the teacher/student relationship? Would a male Professor be hesitant to meet with a female student out of class - on the campus - without someone else being present? I am guessing that is where we are headed and will be part of the protocol. If I was a professor I would never meet behind closed doors with a lone female student. I'd keep the door open and ensure that my assistant was within hearing distance. I guess, alternatively, you could advise the student that the meeting would be taped.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 6, 2019 16:28:13 GMT -5
I agree with your observation. Taping is a two-edged sword. It is amazing what tapes can be made to show. And, if the educator makes a tape, the student is free to do so as well.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 6, 2019 16:36:04 GMT -5
Why just male/female? Wasn't Holy Cross' "organ grinder" (I'm being snarky) having issues with male students?
Is it now more challenging to be in any position of authority? There is no question that in years past, too many people in authority took advantage of those in subordinate positions. Not just the Hollywood "casting couch" - in business, academics, government, legal, medical fields. But as in almost all things, there needs to be balance. That'll be hard to come by.
Must allow those that are wronged a safe way to bring their concerns forward and gain justice while somehow simultaneously protecting the rights of the accused and retain an "innocent until proven guilty" position. Thank goodness people smarter than I am will have to achieve this balance.
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