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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 2, 2019 9:30:53 GMT -5
Very disappointed by this development. Caleb had established himself as a leader on the court, improved across the board statistically as a sophomore, and was our best returning player, imho.
That said, there are five other returning point guards - Nelson, Burns, Funk, Cohen, and Jaworski - who were named to the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd all-PL teams last season. It's sobering to realize that your best player might only be the sixth best at his position in the conference, and his departure is a reminder of how deep a hole the program has to climb out of.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 2, 2019 9:38:10 GMT -5
A nice player, but Caleb is not a program-changing player. Holy Cross basketball will survive without him.
If the kids from Michigan are as good as advertised, then let’s see what they can do from day one. One would think they’ll see significant minutes early on.
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Post by Ray on Jul 2, 2019 9:41:39 GMT -5
Let's not write Caleb off just yet, gang.
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Post by lou on Jul 2, 2019 9:42:57 GMT -5
A very key member of the team. His loss would be significant imo
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Post by possum on Jul 2, 2019 9:44:10 GMT -5
From a strictly basketball standpoint there is no better example of a player that should have transferred than Anthony Thompson. His game in no way translated to the PO and his greatest attribute,on the ball pressure defense, was wasted. Lowder should be thanking his lucky stars that he won't be subjected to the PO.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 2, 2019 9:50:25 GMT -5
i like caleb and i really hope he stays at hc, but the high/mid-major market for sub-6' point guards is limited. while caleb is a far better player/leader than anthony thompson, his transfer prospects remind me of the talk that thompson was going to transfer when fcmb was fired. where? certainly lateral possibilities for caleb as he has good numbers and is a natural leader, but it's hard to see him transferring up... as much as i like him. he's a great fit for our program and i hope he says. Through their first two years Team Record: AT: 34-30 (.531) CG: 28-36 (.438) PL Record: AT: 20-16 (.556) CG: 14-22 (.389) PTS per 40 AT: 12.3 CG: 11.4 ASTS per 40 AT: 3.5 CG: 3.5 TO per 40: AT: 1.6 CG: 2.1 STL per 40: AT: 1.6 CG: 1.2 FG% AT: 36.7% CG: 42.2% I wasn't the biggest fan of AT, but the stats suggest pumping the brakes on crowning CG as being a "far better player/leader" than him. Even if it's painful that he's a guy who HC70 liked. Your analysis--as you likely know--overweights Anthony Thompson's freshman year. AT had one of the best freshmen years of the past couple of decades at HC--his stats were phenomenal. Due to injuries he never regained that freshman form. On the balance of his career--all four years---AT was not as productive a player as CG has been in his first two years.
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Caleb
Jul 2, 2019 9:56:20 GMT -5
Post by bigfan on Jul 2, 2019 9:56:20 GMT -5
I hope he stays. He could be easily replaced, not the biggest loss.
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Caleb
Jul 2, 2019 9:58:47 GMT -5
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 2, 2019 9:58:47 GMT -5
I wonder if CG is eyeing Dartmouth as a possible destination. They have a senior point guard and the other PGs on the roster haven't shown anything. A New Hampshire native, Green's 3.7 GPA as an International Studies major wouldn't hurt his chances in the Ivy League.
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Post by td128 on Jul 2, 2019 10:04:43 GMT -5
I offer the following in an analogous lighthearted attempt at jest while wishing CG and all the Crusaders the best both on and off the court.
"The 1952 Pirates lost 112 games, the worst record of any major-league team since 1935. Home attendance dropped by about one-third and Kiner’s batting average fell to .244. Despite his league-leading home-run performance, Rickey cut his salary to $75,000. When Kiner objected, Rickey told him, “Son, we can finish last without you.” Kiner’s fellow players had elected him their National League player representative. He and Yankees pitcher Allie Reynolds, representing the American League, renegotiated the pension plan during the offseason. Piling on, Rickey told owner Galbreath that Kiner’s leadership role was bad for the team. In June 1953 Rickey traded Kiner and three others, including future broadcaster Joe Garagiola, to the Chicago Cubs for six players and a cash payment reported to be as much as $150,000. Pittsburgh fans hanged Rickey in effigy and some prominent citizens proposed a boycott of Forbes Field until Rickey was fired.
But Rickey was right about one thing: The Pirates did finish last without Kiner in 1953 and for the next two years.
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Caleb
Jul 2, 2019 10:08:55 GMT -5
Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 2, 2019 10:08:55 GMT -5
Rickey was also right about the one-dimensional Kiner. The Cubs finished next-to-last in his two seasons there, and a year later, Kiner was finished.
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Caleb
Jul 2, 2019 10:13:57 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Jul 2, 2019 10:13:57 GMT -5
VerbalComitts.com says he will transfer. A shame because it is his team. He makes it go. Obviously verbalcomits is not exactly gospel, but they currently show Lowder as the only scholarship point guard on the team. Wade is listed as shooting guard. ASSUMING Caleb leaves, that's a lot on the shoulders of a freshman. On the other hand, they list no center last year or next. They thought Jehyve was a small forward
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Post by bison137 on Jul 2, 2019 10:28:54 GMT -5
VerbalComitts.com says he will transfer. A shame because it is his team. He makes it go. Obviously verbalcomits is not exactly gospel, but they currently show Lowder as the only scholarship point guard on the team. Wade is listed as shooting guard. ASSUMING Caleb leaves, that's a lot on the shoulders of a freshman. On the other hand, they list no center last year or next. They thought Jehyve was a small forward Note that VerbalCommits selects a position for a player when he first appears in their data base, most typically during his junior year in HS. That selection may be based on no facts at all. And that position rarely changes over the next six years, regardless of where the player actually plays. For example, they listed Mike Muscala as a PF and Darryl Shazier as a SG, positions they almost never played at Bucknell.
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Caleb
Jul 2, 2019 10:51:33 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 2, 2019 10:51:33 GMT -5
I wonder if CG is eyeing Dartmouth as a possible destination. They have a senior point guard and the other PGs on the roster haven't shown anything. A New Hampshire native, Green's 3.7 GPA as an International Studies major wouldn't hurt his chances in the Ivy League. Very interesting scenario--plausible
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Caleb
Jul 2, 2019 11:03:41 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Jul 2, 2019 11:03:41 GMT -5
I wonder if CG is eyeing Dartmouth as a possible destination. They have a senior point guard and the other PGs on the roster haven't shown anything. A New Hampshire native, Green's 3.7 GPA as an International Studies major wouldn't hurt his chances in the Ivy League. Very interesting scenario--plausible I hope he makes a solid choice like the one above, especially if his academic credentials are that good. I don't see him playing at a much higher level than he's playing at now. td128, you took the words right out of my mouth. Let's see how this plays out....if he's elsewhere before a coach is hired then let's all chime in when the first poster in the fall says "Green left because they hired x" that it's not true.
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Caleb
Jul 2, 2019 11:05:30 GMT -5
Post by bison137 on Jul 2, 2019 11:05:30 GMT -5
I wonder if CG is eyeing Dartmouth as a possible destination. They have a senior point guard and the other PGs on the roster haven't shown anything. A New Hampshire native, Green's 3.7 GPA as an International Studies major wouldn't hurt his chances in the Ivy League. Very interesting scenario--plausible If he has to sit out a year as a transfer, I'm not sure that Ivy rules would allow him to play a 5th year - especially if his credits largely transfer, which I assume they would. I've never investigated this specific situation, but I know the Ivy's do not allow a hoops player to play a 5th year, even if they lost a year to injury.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 2, 2019 11:21:56 GMT -5
July is supposed to be about new offers and verbal commitments......not this I sure hope he comes back, because I think it would be a big loss on several fronts. For starters, even if Drew is the real deal from day 1, who is his backup? Lincoln? And how easy would it be to have to recruit a point guard for 2020, when any recruit would know that DL would be there for another 3 years? And aside from that, Caleb's dad is a great guy! I guess we wait and see.
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Post by Tom on Jul 2, 2019 11:46:24 GMT -5
And aside from that, Caleb's dad is a great guy! I guess we wait and see. There's a rumor that Caleb's dad, great guy that he is, doesn't want his son's fine character to be sullied by the whole Rick Pitino returning to the USA circus and is behind this whole thing
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Caleb
Jul 2, 2019 11:52:07 GMT -5
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Post by lou on Jul 2, 2019 11:52:07 GMT -5
And aside from that, Caleb's dad is a great guy! I guess we wait and see. There's a rumor that Caleb's dad, great guy that he is, doesn't want his son's fine character to be sullied by the whole Rick Pitino returning to the USA circus and is behind this whole thing Huh?
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Caleb
Jul 2, 2019 12:07:37 GMT -5
Post by classof83 on Jul 2, 2019 12:07:37 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the kids are in town for off-season workouts yet?
Do we know if CG is in town?
If not, it may explain more where his head is?
Do we know if all the kids are staying here for the summer?
I just hope there aren't more shoes to fall
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Caleb
Jul 2, 2019 12:15:45 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Jul 2, 2019 12:15:45 GMT -5
There's a rumor that Caleb's dad, great guy that he is, doesn't want his son's fine character to be sullied by the whole Rick Pitino returning to the USA circus and is behind this whole thing Huh? If Rick Pitino is the next head coach and Caleb leaves it will all make sense
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Caleb
Jul 2, 2019 12:20:25 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Jul 2, 2019 12:20:25 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the kids are in town for off-season workouts yet? Do we know if CG is in town? If not, it may explain more where his head is? Do we know if all the kids are staying here for the summer? I just hope there aren't more shoes to fall Word is the guys are/were all in town. At the very least Wade's father tweeted he was here. I'm not sure if it's standard practice that 100 percent of the guys spend the entire summer here. Reasonable to assume they will be working at the summer camps
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Post by breezy on Jul 2, 2019 12:23:49 GMT -5
When I was at HC for my reunion (June 7 - 9), I saw Caleb at the Luth Athletic Complex twice.
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Caleb
Jul 2, 2019 12:54:14 GMT -5
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Post by joe on Jul 2, 2019 12:54:14 GMT -5
Great. Now the new coach will have another scholarship to use on someone who wants to be at Holy Cross, and perhaps not just as a place to play basketball.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 2, 2019 12:56:09 GMT -5
3.7 GPA Must have been doing some studying
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Caleb
Jul 2, 2019 13:23:12 GMT -5
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Post by joe on Jul 2, 2019 13:23:12 GMT -5
That’s my point. It would seem to me the decision to transfer has nothing to do with academics, just basketball. The line for that vacated schollie will go around the block. It could be advantageous if played correctly by the new coach. We’re going to be in rebuilding mode for several seasons anyway so I say whoever wants to walk, let them walk now, or recommit fully to HC.
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