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Post by ge on Jul 3, 2019 9:39:51 GMT -5
Being a Marquette alum and super fan I know a lot about Brett Nelson and have watched him coach for the past 5 years. This is a Home Run hire, IMO! Nelson has millions of contacts and has recruited in New England for Marquette during the past; especially the prep schools. Coaching shooting is his particular strength. I actually thought that if Wojo left Marquette that Nelson would be a serious candidate to replace him. Very well liked by the Marquette community. He will be missed by MU but congrats to Brett on this opportunity.! Also, a bold and outstanding hire by Marcus Blossom!
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Post by Tom on Jul 3, 2019 9:41:47 GMT -5
First items on the plate
Talk to all the guys, including the incoming frosh, and make sure everyone is on board to stay
Assemble a staff. Harder than normal given the timing. While I don't expect a Coach Kearney like keep everybody approach, I won't be shocked if there is one hold-over. I'm just not sure how limited choices are at this point. Also won't be shocked to see a recent Marquette grad with little coaching experience, but someone Nelson thought had the makings
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Post by hchoops on Jul 3, 2019 9:43:22 GMT -5
Being a Marquette alum and super fan I know a lot about Brett Nelson and have watched him coach for the past 5 years. This is a Home Run hire, IMO! Nelson has millions of contacts and has recruited in New England for Marquette during the past; especially the prep schools. Coaching shooting is his particular strength. I actually thought that if Wojo left Marquette that Nelson would be a serious candidate to replace him. Very well liked by the Marquette community. He will be missed by MU but congrats to Brett on this opportunity.! Also, a bold and outstanding hire by Marcus Blossom! Thanks,ge your input has always been accurate. Believe your views here will prove true also
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Post by ge on Jul 3, 2019 9:43:55 GMT -5
Being a Marquette alum and super fan I know a lot about Brett Nelson and have watched him coach for the past 5 years. This is a Home Run hire, IMO! Nelson has millions of contacts and has recruited in New England for Marquette during the past; especially the prep schools. Coaching shooting is his particular strength. I actually thought that if Wojo left Marquette that Nelson would be a serious candidate to replace him. Very well liked by the Marquette community. He will be missed by MU but congrats to Brett on this opportunity.! Also, a bold and outstanding hire by Marcus Blossom!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 3, 2019 9:44:29 GMT -5
Tempo= 205--83--75--100--116 Off Reb %= 247--229--254--211--131 Def Reb %= 340--225--173--237--81 3PA/FGA= 143--286--56--42--98 FTA/FGA= 205--82--284--301--106 Defensive Efficiency (unadjusted) 18-19. 46th 17-18. 295th 16-17. 238th 15-16. 133rd 14-15. 191st
Defensive EFG% 18-19. 18th 17-18. 293rd 16-17. 244th 15-16. 107th 14-15. 173rd
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Post by crosspride on Jul 3, 2019 9:47:13 GMT -5
Few coaches have a sideline demeanor that make me root against them every game - Woj is one of those coaches. Of course, Brett Nelson is not Woj and will bring a style of his own. I hope that style is different than Woj’s and let’s hope it translates to wins.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 3, 2019 9:47:14 GMT -5
Retweeted by Keith Wade
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Post by HC92 on Jul 3, 2019 9:47:16 GMT -5
I like it. If ge’s on board based on his knowledge of all things Marquette, that’s good enough for me. I suspect Fr. K is also pleased with the hire from above.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 3, 2019 9:49:35 GMT -5
Not sure if it’s a good or bad thing that our head coach will also be our best player.
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Post by Ray on Jul 3, 2019 9:49:49 GMT -5
Ray, this says it all. Although our recent coaches had no "ties" to HC, I still don't want someone whose talents are ties to New England, the northeast, or to the PL. Familiarity with their limitations and benefits can be helpful, but we need to mix things up. We need to recruit nationally, maybe even internationally. We need to expand the profile of the team, of the program, and certainly of the school. We need to find diamonds in the rough, competing against scores of other programs big and small, for those players. As such, we have to cover more ground, dig more holes, and pan more water. Like you said, if this gentleman can coach, and can do those things, then good. I don't care that somebody played in some MA high school that fourteen old farts still pay attention to. I want a winning program at HC, full of good, upstanding young men, wherever they come from. Sure, it's easy to say we want to shake things up, broaden our recruiting base, etc. But whether you characterize New England, the Northeast, the PL as limitations or not, the fact of the matter is that they constitute the sandbox we play in. Coach Nelson isn't going to be recruiting HS kids to HC by talking about how he'll get them ready for the NBA, which is probably something he does do at Marquette. Can he sell what HC has to offer, to the kind of player who wants to come to HC... which isn't the same kind of player that goes to Marquette? We'll see... I'm just asking the question. Just about any candidate was going to have some shortcomings. These (and lack of previous head coaching experience) seem like the gaps in Nelson's resume.
Again, none of this is to say that this was a bad hire, or that Nelson's strengths can't overcome these resume weaknesses. I'm enthusiastic about this hire.
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Post by classof83 on Jul 3, 2019 9:50:59 GMT -5
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Post by Dean Wormer on Jul 3, 2019 9:51:47 GMT -5
Positives: I really hope that he is something special and wasn’t just a big name for Parker and Blossom to add to their rolodex, because there were a lot of excellent options that apparently weren’t even considered. Would appreciate it if this thread did not degenerate into a question the search process thread. I locked the search thread temporarily to make sure thoughts about the new coach are posted here. Will unlock the coaching candidates thread later today or tomorrow morning if you want to question the process, but I will moderate that discussion fairly tightly against rumors and blatant speculation - i.e., cite your sources. Carry on.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 3, 2019 9:52:17 GMT -5
If the runner up was Brown’s Martin, with a losing record, I will take Nelson
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 3, 2019 9:56:18 GMT -5
Three Point Rate 18-19. 98th 17-18. 42nd 16-17. 55th 15-16. 286th
14-15. 143rd
Free Throw Rate 18-19. 106th 17-18. 301st 16-17. 283rd 15-16. 82nd 14-15. 205th
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Post by hchoops on Jul 3, 2019 9:56:49 GMT -5
Good stuff, esp the shooting success
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Post by Tom on Jul 3, 2019 9:57:31 GMT -5
We heard about Caleb's entering the transfer portal about 40 hours before we heard the Nelson hiring was official. What are the odds Green knew Nelson was the guy before putting his name out there? I hope not and that Green is all excited about his new coach and finishes his career at HC. Still, you have to admit the timing is coincidental. Even if Green knew Nelson was the new coach before putting his name on the transfer list, that doesn't mean that Coach Nelson can't successfully re-recruit him. Seems pretty random and specific that Caleb, even if he knew Nelson was the guy at that point, would have such a reaction to someone who's probably an unknown to him, that his reaction would be to just run right to the transfer portal.
What might have happened, though: Caleb might have been hoping for Coach Kennedy or Owens to get the job. Maybe they were notified that they weren't getting it, Caleb got that info, and that pushed him to the portal.
Regardless, HCBN can now work on keeping Caleb and the incoming frosh in the fold, then hit the recruiting trail.
Since the press release has a wonderfully crafted statement from Billy Donovan, I suspect this was basically a done deal before this morning. Assuming the news about the transfer portal was relatively real time, I don't think it's a stretch that Green knew it was likely when he entered the portal. I'm not trying to guess his motivations and given the timing of Coach Carmody's departure, some of the guys could have thought one of the assistants would get the job. Think back to a post some one had about a Wade Sr tweet basically saying the guys knew Coach Carmody could leave, but there was loyalty to the assistants who recruited them. It might be a total coincidence, I'm just pointing out that the timing of two events is pretty close
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 3, 2019 10:00:30 GMT -5
Good stuff, esp the shooting success Didn't see the words "defense" or "rebounding" anywhere.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jul 3, 2019 10:01:07 GMT -5
I like the hire a lot, excited for next year. New fire for HC basketball. Time to start winning. Lets GO!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 3, 2019 10:03:29 GMT -5
Looks like the Wades are on board....
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Post by Ray on Jul 3, 2019 10:05:09 GMT -5
Seems pretty random and specific that Caleb, even if he knew Nelson was the guy at that point, would have such a reaction to someone who's probably an unknown to him, that his reaction would be to just run right to the transfer portal.
What might have happened, though: Caleb might have been hoping for Coach Kennedy or Owens to get the job. Maybe they were notified that they weren't getting it, Caleb got that info, and that pushed him to the portal.
Regardless, HCBN can now work on keeping Caleb and the incoming frosh in the fold, then hit the recruiting trail.
Since the press release has a wonderfully crafted statement from Billy Donovan, I suspect this was basically a done deal before this morning. Assuming the news about the transfer portal was relatively real time, I don't think it's a stretch that Green knew it was likely when he entered the portal. I'm not trying to guess his motivations and given the timing of Coach Carmody's departure, some of the guys could have thought one of the assistants would get the job. Think back to a post some one had about a Wade Sr tweet basically saying the guys knew Coach Carmody could leave, but there was loyalty to the assistants who recruited them. It might be a total coincidence, I'm just pointing out that the timing of two events is pretty close I'm not saying this is the biggest news in history, but in this day and age I think 40 hours is an awfully long time to keep something like this under wraps. And unless Donovan is on vacation out of cell phone range, I don't think it takes that long to get that quote/craft a press release.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jul 3, 2019 10:06:28 GMT -5
Since the press release has a wonderfully crafted statement from Billy Donovan, I suspect this was basically a done deal before this morning. Assuming the news about the transfer portal was relatively real time, I don't think it's a stretch that Green knew it was likely when he entered the portal. I'm not trying to guess his motivations and given the timing of Coach Carmody's departure, some of the guys could have thought one of the assistants would get the job. Think back to a post some one had about a Wade Sr tweet basically saying the guys knew Coach Carmody could leave, but there was loyalty to the assistants who recruited them. It might be a total coincidence, I'm just pointing out that the timing of two events is pretty close I'm not saying this is the biggest news in history, but in this day and age I think 40 hours is an awfully long time to keep something like this under wraps. And unless Donovan is on vacation out of cell phone range, I don't think it takes that long to get that quote/craft a press release. And in this day and age, it would not surprise me in the least if all coaching candidates - particularly those going thru a search firm - have several quotes from mentors and associates in the bank where you fill in the blank of the name of the school that's hiring them. Doesn't diminish the sentiment of the quote, just expedites the process for the standard press release at the new school if and when it comes.
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 3, 2019 10:09:04 GMT -5
Good stuff, esp the shooting success "The Transfer Whisperer" 6'9 a possibility??
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Post by classof83 on Jul 3, 2019 10:09:30 GMT -5
Interesting hire.
I don't think he was on any of our lists.
For him, at 39, he probably had to make a move soon and with UConn back in the Big East, success at Marquette may get a little tougher.
By the way, his name has already been removed as a coach on the Marquette basketball site.
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Post by ge on Jul 3, 2019 10:09:44 GMT -5
Positives: -unlike our last 2 coaches, he doesn’t bring a losing record along with him -great player at Florida -young, energetic and out to prove himself Negatives: -nothing about his background relates to Holy Cross or the PL -Marquette is a very poorly coached team (which I put on Woj, but that’s who he’s been learning under) I really hope that he is something special and wasn’t just a big name for Parker and Blossom to add to their rolodex, because there were a lot of excellent options that apparently weren’t even considered. Bringbackcaro, I agree on your first negative but Brett will acclimate quickly. On the second negative, Marquette was 23-3 and in the Top 10 for the first time last year in years. Wojo pushed all the right buttons until late February. However, the bottom fell out after that and Marquette lost 6 of its last 7 to finish in 2nd place to Villanova to the Big East title. Most of the problems were due to team chemistry with the Hauser brothers, All-American Marcus Howard and some others on the team. Ball hogging , hero ball by Markus and playing time were the issues and the Hausers went to Wojo to fix the issue. When Wojo said he would fix the problem and didn't there was a lot of frustration. I blame the collapse at the end of the season and the Hausers transferring squarely on Wojo. IMO, Wojo's other fault is being way too stubborn. He doesn't like criticism from fans (MU fans are quite critical). I even asked him in person why he didn't play more zone and he became quite defensive. "We play zone sometimes" as he looked pissed that I asked him the question. The truth is he rarely played zone for whatever reasons. Maybe 1-2 possessions per game. I am not sure how many of you watched the NCAA Marquette vs Murray State game but it was obvious during the first few minutes that trying to be focused on stopping Morant (2nd pick in the NBA draft) only and leaving his other teammates open was not working. Back to Nelson, Wojo worked his staff hard in player development, recruiting and scouting. Nelson has already seen a lot of players these past two summers and will get his share of good players. Certainly HC has higher academic standards than he is used to for recruiting (even then fellow Jesuit school Marquette). I wonder who he will take on his staff. MU staffers Jake Prusitti (sp) is a possibiity (DOB at MU) and Dwayne Killings, as well. His mentor at Drake, Mark Phelps was caught up in a recent recruiting scandal at Arizona State and was let go. I doubt he would be a candidate.
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Post by HCFC45 on Jul 3, 2019 10:15:47 GMT -5
Now we have 2 Bretts in the Patriot League! Can hear the chant now when we beat Lehigh: "Our Brett is BETTAH than your Brett"!
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