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Post by hchoops on Jul 3, 2019 10:17:42 GMT -5
Thanks for all this input,ge
Please keep it coming
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Post by CHC8485 on Jul 3, 2019 10:21:55 GMT -5
Intro presser next Tuesday, 11 a.m. Awesome. My new job doesn't start until July 15. I'll plan to attend. HCFC45 will I see you there? Anyone else? |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 3, 2019 10:24:47 GMT -5
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Post by Ray on Jul 3, 2019 10:27:37 GMT -5
Good stuff. We're certainly passing the "Is his current employer sorry to see him go?" test. |
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Post by ge on Jul 3, 2019 10:28:21 GMT -5
I had never heard that moniker before about Nelson. Currently on MU's roster our transfers are Koby McEwen (Utah State), Jayce Johnson (Utah) - I though that asst coach Stan Johnson recruited both of these guys and Ed Morrow from Nebraska -not sure who got him to transfer. In the past we've have had Andrew Rowsey (UNC-Ashville), Matt Carlino (BYU), Katin Reinhardt (USC), Wally Ellenson (Minn) and Joe Chartouney (Fordham). I just do not see him getting transfers to Holy Cross as it is a college opposed to a university like Marquette. Hard to get grad transfers. I do know that Nelson is often on the road and he helped recruit guys like Jamal Cain and Greg Elliott from my home area of Detroit (was at their games prior to their commitments). AnonymousEagle is correct in that he is regarded as one of the best shooting coaches in NCAA basketball (Top 5 by one ranking a year or two ago). A couple of our guys improved their shooting last year. I am really excited for HC in getting Brett. He will work very hard for the program and be an asset to HC. |
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Post by hchoops on Jul 3, 2019 10:46:47 GMT -5
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Post by Ray on Jul 3, 2019 10:47:25 GMT -5
If he is "The Shooting Whisperer", that sounds pretty awesome.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 3, 2019 10:49:36 GMT -5
AnonymousEagle is correct in that he is regarded as one of the best shooting coaches in NCAA basketball (Top 5 by one ranking a year or two ago). A couple of our guys improved their shooting last year. 2018-19. EFG. Marquette, 53.5. Holy Cross, 52.7. The 2018-19 Crusaders were the best shooting team in the last 30 years of the program. Shooting is not the problem here.
Nelson is credited with instituting a "shooter training program" at Marquette. Hopefully, he can hire assistants who will have as passionate an interest in defense and rebounding.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 3, 2019 10:53:11 GMT -5
Positives: -unlike our last 2 coaches, he doesn’t bring a losing record along with him -great player at Florida -young, energetic and out to prove himself Negatives: -nothing about his background relates to Holy Cross or the PL -Marquette is a very poorly coached team (which I put on Woj, but that’s who he’s been learning under) I really hope that he is something special and wasn’t just a big name for Parker and Blossom to add to their rolodex, because there were a lot of excellent options that apparently weren’t even considered. Bringbackcaro, I agree on your first negative but Brett will acclimate quickly. On the second negative, Marquette was 23-3 and in the Top 10 for the first time last year in years. Wojo pushed all the right buttons until late February. However, the bottom fell out after that and Marquette lost 6 of its last 7 to finish in 2nd place to Villanova to the Big East title. Most of the problems were due to team chemistry with the Hauser brothers, All-American Marcus Howard and some others on the team. Ball hogging , hero ball by Markus and playing time were the issues and the Hausers went to Wojo to fix the issue. When Wojo said he would fix the problem and didn't there was a lot of frustration. I blame the collapse at the end of the season and the Hausers transferring squarely on Wojo. IMO, Wojo's other fault is being way too stubborn. He doesn't like criticism from fans (MU fans are quite critical). I even asked him in person why he didn't play more zone and he became quite defensive. "We play zone sometimes" as he looked pissed that I asked him the question. The truth is he rarely played zone for whatever reasons. Maybe 1-2 possessions per game. I am not sure how many of you watched the NCAA Marquette vs Murray State game but it was obvious during the first few minutes that trying to be focused on stopping Morant (2nd pick in the NBA draft) only and leaving his other teammates open was not working. Back to Nelson, Wojo worked his staff hard in player development, recruiting and scouting. Nelson has already seen a lot of players these past two summers and will get his share of good players. Certainly HC has higher academic standards than he is used to for recruiting (even then fellow Jesuit school Marquette). I wonder who he will take on his staff. MU staffers Jake Prusitti (sp) is a possibiity (DOB at MU) and Dwayne Killings, as well. His mentor at Drake, Mark Phelps was caught up in a recent recruiting scandal at Arizona State and was let go. I doubt he would be a candidate. Thanks for the input, ge! Appreciate your perspective on Nelson (and it has me feeling better about the hire). I saw Marquette play a few times last year, and perhaps they were all after that turning point you mentioned, but the hero ball/ and NBA 1-on-1 style was brutal to watch. |
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Post by hchoops on Jul 3, 2019 10:59:01 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 3, 2019 11:00:03 GMT -5
-"nothing about his background relates to Holy Cross or the PL"--- right, just like Bob Chesney our head football coach
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Post by ge on Jul 3, 2019 11:02:13 GMT -5
Oh,another thing - get used to the twang in his voice. He is originally from West Virginia (haha).
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Post by hchoops on Jul 3, 2019 11:04:37 GMT -5
Oh,another thing - get used to the twang in his voice. He is originally from West Virginia (haha). Where in high school he was called the next Jerry West (McDonald’s All American) |
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 3, 2019 11:12:24 GMT -5
“14 old farts”...very classy opinion about posters on Crossports. I admire the goal you state, but clearly not the way you state it.  I was being nice and keeping you off of the list, otherwise it'd be 15 old farts! I kid of course. Cute and I appreciate your kindness...but I would point out that “fresh, young farts” typically smell a lot worse than old ones. |
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Post by Sader Fan on Jul 3, 2019 11:14:19 GMT -5
At least he’ll be familiar with our fight song’s tune. Marquette’s fight song “MU Rah Rah” is the same as “Chu Chu Rah Rah” without the “fight on like Knights of old . ..” melody at the end. 😆
I tentatively plan to attend the Press Conference Tuesday. I am excited about this hire!
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 3, 2019 11:16:50 GMT -5
-"nothing about his background relates to Holy Cross or the PL"--- right, just like Bob Chesney our head football coach Chesney coached at Johns Hopkins, and played + coached at several other places where you’re not going to win on talent alone. Brett Nelson’s background is nothing like Bob Chesney’s. I am hopeful that Nelson will be great and give this program the opportunity to move in a positive direction for the first time in 9-10 years, but let’s not pretend his background makes him a slam dunk with what he’s going to have to deal with at HC. His first conversation with Ann McDermott will be an eye-opener, for example. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 3, 2019 11:17:01 GMT -5
Welcome Coach Nelson!
I remember him as a player with the Gators....I had no idea he was coaching, assumed he was on some NBA roster lol.
Full steam ahead!
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Post by Ray on Jul 3, 2019 11:17:44 GMT -5
AnonymousEagle is correct in that he is regarded as one of the best shooting coaches in NCAA basketball (Top 5 by one ranking a year or two ago). A couple of our guys improved their shooting last year. 2018-19. EFG. Marquette, 53.5. Holy Cross, 52.7. The 2018-19 Crusaders were the best shooting team in the last 30 years of the program. Shooting is not the problem here.
Nelson is credited with instituting a "shooter training program" at Marquette. Hopefully, he can hire assistants who will have as passionate an interest in defense and rebounding.
Maybe not a shortcoming for the current team, but imagine this as a recruiting strategy: targeting guys with higher D-1 size and skills who get overlooked because they are perceived to be poor shooters, then bringing them to HC and coaching up their shooting? That could certainly be a winning formula here. Imagine if a Willard-era roster had a guy like this to coach up the likes of Greg Kinsey and John Hurley, who could basically do everything except shoot? |
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Post by Ray on Jul 3, 2019 11:19:55 GMT -5
Trigger warning: there are Travis f-ing Deiner references contained in that link. |
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Post by HC92 on Jul 3, 2019 11:28:04 GMT -5
Trigger warning: there are Travis f-ing Deiner references contained in that link. This would have been a good warning about an hour ago. Now I’m going to be angry all day. |
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Post by Ignutz on Jul 3, 2019 11:33:20 GMT -5
AnonymousEagle is correct in that he is regarded as one of the best shooting coaches in NCAA basketball (Top 5 by one ranking a year or two ago). A couple of our guys improved their shooting last year. 2018-19. EFG. Marquette, 53.5. Holy Cross, 52.7. The 2018-19 Crusaders were the best shooting team in the last 30 years of the program. Shooting is not the problem here.
Nelson is credited with instituting a "shooter training program" at Marquette. Hopefully, he can hire assistants who will have as passionate an interest in defense and rebounding.
Disagree. Take away JF's all-time PL numbers (virtually all from inside five feet?), and where do we stand?
Welcome Coach Nelson. Make HCBB great again!
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Post by bigfan on Jul 3, 2019 11:55:17 GMT -5
Seems like a good choice, waiting for the season to begin.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 3, 2019 12:10:23 GMT -5
2018-19. EFG. Marquette, 53.5. Holy Cross, 52.7. The 2018-19 Crusaders were the best shooting team in the last 30 years of the program. Shooting is not the problem here.
Nelson is credited with instituting a "shooter training program" at Marquette. Hopefully, he can hire assistants who will have as passionate an interest in defense and rebounding.
Disagree. Take away JF's all-time PL numbers (virtually all from inside five feet?), and where do we stand?
Welcome Coach Nelson. Make HCBB great again!
Shots inside five feet don't count so much? Must be the new math.
If you take away Floyd's numbers last year (184-275, zero threes), the team EFG falls to 50.2%. If you take away the numbers of Marquette's inside-only bigs, Morrow and John (145-243, zero threes), their EFG falls to 51.7%.
I hope that at the presser, somebody will ask Nelson what his defensive philosophy/approach is, and what strategies he might employ to improve our rebounding performance.
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Post by rickii on Jul 3, 2019 12:14:24 GMT -5
Not sure if it’s a good or bad thing that our head coach will also be our best player. LOL!!!....Kudos He’s young enough to personally show our kids how to get it done....particularly from beyond the arc! |
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Post by HC92 on Jul 3, 2019 12:27:59 GMT -5
If the Nelson hire is at least partially the product of the relationship between RW and Billy Donovan, is it possible that a now 34-year-old Mark Daigneault would be a candidate for associate head coach? He would check a lot of boxes (probably all of them for what we’d need to complement what Nelson brings to the table). I know SOV will tell me he’s on the verge of becoming the head coach of the Warriors and there’s no way but I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility. He left Florida for the G League in 2014 and is still there. He’s done some cool things including the Thunder summer league team and helping out with the big club after the G League season ends but he’s still not been promoted to the Thunder staff after 5 years. If he ever wants to get back to college, it would certainly help with that. If he’s fully committed to the pro ranks, obviously a non-starter. Here’s a pretty good recent article from the UConn paper in which he expresses an openness to returning to the college game at some point. dailycampus.com/stories/2019/4/2/catching-up-with-mark-daigneault |
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