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Post by hchoops on Aug 16, 2019 8:51:28 GMT -5
The portal does not benefit the schools or college basketball, esp the smaller schools for non- graduate transfers. The transfer numbers have skyrocketed since the portal cam in. The original school often does not even know which schools are involved with their transfer athlete. When CBC announced his retirement, there was a frenzy among unofficial representatives of many schools for at least three of our players. How can this possibly be for the benefit of the original schools or of college basketball as a whole ? Transfers have been a big issue for a number of years, but the number has not skyrocketed at all. What has happened is that the process has become somewhat more transparent, with fewer illegal contacts and backroom dealings. Here are the number of players with transfer interest shown on the VC site for the last five years: 2019: 969 2018: 872 2017: 892 2016: 794 2015: 827 So there has been a relatively small uptick. But much of that is simply that most of the players interested in transferring are now known. With the old system, there were many who had their coaches or handlers contacting coaches quietly. No publicity - and no name added to the list unless an actual transfer occurred - since the contacts often violated the rules. Now anyone who has any interest in transferring shows up. And imo there are less rules violations and backroom dealings with the new system. One other reason that the number on the database is up a bit is that there are more graduate transfers each year. Borzello says it has increased significantly since the portal. do you usually accept the stats of VC ? www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26530279/college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2019-20-2020-21
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Post by rickii on Aug 16, 2019 9:18:48 GMT -5
Are stats available to tell us the following? Of the players who enter the portal What percentage transfer to a new D-1 school What percentage transfer to D-2, D-3, or NAIA? What percentage return to their old school What percentage find no home at all--sit out a year I’ve seen a couple sites that track transfer portal kids. Have no specific stats ( the portal process is still new ) but in looking at these extensive lists, the vast majority are Major to Major, Major to Mid Major and Mid Major to Major in Div-1. At last look a couple days ago, Grandison was one of about 40 kids still looking/uncommitted in this portal process. There’s got to be a ‘deadline’ on this portal deal. Otherwise a kid could be stuck without a school to attend and/or be without a team/scholarship to play if he finds no suitors.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 16, 2019 9:23:42 GMT -5
That burden would seem to be with the transfers. If they do not garner offers in a reasonable amount of time, they can return to their original school.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 16, 2019 9:27:35 GMT -5
Fewer seats in this game of musical chairs.
Is there a reason why they can't amend the rules to put a deadline of 6/30 on transfers (before the July period)? That's what's most absurd to me. I don't blame Grandy; he's not even bending the rules.
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Post by classof83 on Aug 16, 2019 9:40:01 GMT -5
The thing I find interesting about this whole process is that a player (in this case Grandy) is allowed to go try out for an NCAA team while he is still rostered on a different NCAA team. If a kid wants to transfer, OK, but to show up for another school and let the coaches do a live evaluation before they decide to give the kid a scholarship seems crazy to me.
What prevents a Big Time coach taking away the scholarship from the weakest two players on his team each year, bring in a select group of players on the portal and have an open tryout for those spots?
The world of free agency has hit college basketball.
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Post by Tom on Aug 16, 2019 9:48:55 GMT -5
There’s got to be a ‘deadline’ on this portal deal. Otherwise a kid could be stuck without a school to attend and/or be without a team/scholarship to play if he finds no suitors. If you go shopping without a good idea of a landing place (like it seems Grandison did) you take a risk. If the next Larry Bird shows up at HC tomorrow looking for a home, I gotta believe HC would give him Grandison's scholarship. That would leave Jacob in the situation you describe. These kids have a home. There is a risk that the grass isn't greener out there and your old home takes you at your word that you're leaving and gives your spot away
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 16, 2019 9:52:53 GMT -5
Long - Are you 100% sure HC has a 4-year guarantee on basketball scholarships ? Does that apply to football as well ? If so, do others in the league do likewise ? I’m just wondering how this is not a violation of NCAA rules....I.e. the standard 1-year annual renewable contract between student-athlete and school. No, I'm not 100% sure. I just remember that being mentioned on Crossports. I'm not sure if it is a school policy, custom, tradition or just a poster's understanding. I don't think it would violate NCAA policy to be more generous than required, although you never know with the NCAA.
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Post by trimster on Aug 16, 2019 9:52:59 GMT -5
I did some math based on the assumption roughly 350 D1 colleges have 13 men's hoop players on scholarship each year. Based on about 800 transfers per year, about 1 in 6 players will transfer in a year.
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Post by rickii on Aug 16, 2019 10:01:38 GMT -5
Tom -
That’s exactly the thoughts I had on Grandison.
Appears he jumped into this portal thing without a clear signal of who would be genuinely interested in him if he did.
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Post by Tom on Aug 16, 2019 10:21:55 GMT -5
Long - Are you 100% sure HC has a 4-year guarantee on basketball scholarships ? Does that apply to football as well ? If so, do others in the league do likewise ? I’m just wondering how this is not a violation of NCAA rules....I.e. the standard 1-year annual renewable contract between student-athlete and school. No, I'm not 100% sure. I just remember that being mentioned on Crossports. I'm not sure if it is a school policy, custom, tradition or just a poster's understanding. I don't think it would violate NCAA policy to be more generous than required, although you never know with the NCAA. It could be something as simple as a verbal promise that the school is not going to toss you if you don't measure up, but the written scholarship contract is the standard one year
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Post by crossbball13 on Aug 16, 2019 10:31:22 GMT -5
This kid is not being respectful to the program and should not be allowed back. So sick of reading about it.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 16, 2019 10:38:27 GMT -5
Transfers have been a big issue for a number of years, but the number has not skyrocketed at all. What has happened is that the process has become somewhat more transparent, with fewer illegal contacts and backroom dealings. Here are the number of players with transfer interest shown on the VC site for the last five years: 2019: 969 2018: 872 2017: 892 2016: 794 2015: 827 So there has been a relatively small uptick. But much of that is simply that most of the players interested in transferring are now known. With the old system, there were many who had their coaches or handlers contacting coaches quietly. No publicity - and no name added to the list unless an actual transfer occurred - since the contacts often violated the rules. Now anyone who has any interest in transferring shows up. And imo there are less rules violations and backroom dealings with the new system. One other reason that the number on the database is up a bit is that there are more graduate transfers each year. Borzello says it has increased significantly since the portal. do you usually accept the stats of VC ? www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26530279/college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2019-20-2020-21I definitely accept their transfer stats. They have the best tracker for that. Borzello gives no stats at all, just an unsupported statement. And he says it has "increased significantly" over the past few years, not just since the portal.
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Post by lou on Aug 16, 2019 10:53:44 GMT -5
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Post by rickii on Aug 16, 2019 12:44:28 GMT -5
The tough part in all this is Nelson could definately use Grandison....would be a better team. But Nelson apparently wasn’t able to convince him to return and move forward.
Classes start in about 2 weeks, right? What’s the cut-off date for registration?
Is it likely Grandison is still enrolled?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 16, 2019 13:30:21 GMT -5
We'll finish last with Grandison next year, and we'll finish last without him. Personally, I would much prefer Nelson had two 2020 schollies available to recruit real PFs/Cs. We need to look forward (no pun intended). Interesting post a few minutes ago on the Illinois board, suggesting San Jose State may be another school Grandison could be involved with. www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forum/threads/illinois-hoops-recruiting-thread.25030/page-17
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Post by hchoops on Aug 16, 2019 13:45:52 GMT -5
We'll finish last with Grandison next year, and we'll finish last without him. Personally, I would much prefer Nelson had two 2020 schollies available to recruit real PF/Cs. We need to look forward (no pun intended). Interesting post a few minutes ago on the Illinois board, suggesting San Jose State may be another school Grandison could be involved with. www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forum/threads/illinois-hoops-recruiting-thread.25030/page-17If that poster is accurate, it seems as if SJS is Grandison’s fall back school. More evidence that he is gone.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 16, 2019 14:15:31 GMT -5
Another upside to Grandison's departure is that it will open up playing time for Pridgen and Hargis (who have a combined seven years of future between them), on-the-job training that will likely pay dividends down the road. One or both of them may also have a playing style more consonant with Nelson's approach.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 16, 2019 15:19:16 GMT -5
The tough part in all this is Nelson could definately use Grandison....would be a better team. But Nelson apparently wasn’t able to convince him to return and move forward. Classes start in about 2 weeks, right? What’s the cut-off date for registration? Is it likely Grandison is still enrolled? If they really wanted him back, I'm sure he could enroll until at least September 10th, which is the theoretical last day to add classes. There have been D1 athletes at some schools over the years who have transferred into a new school and enrolled at least ten days later than that.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 16, 2019 15:36:36 GMT -5
A half century ago Sacramento State University dedicated their football season to Holy Cross. I think I'll cheer for them when they play San Jose State. Good intern opportunities though in Silicone Valley for Grandy.
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Post by spenser on Aug 16, 2019 15:42:18 GMT -5
A half century ago Sacramento State University dedicated their football season to Holy Cross. I think I'll cheer for them when they play San Jose State. Good intern opportunities though in Silicone Valley for Grandy. That was a very classy thing for them to do.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 16, 2019 15:49:42 GMT -5
A half century ago Sacramento State University dedicated their football season to Holy Cross. I think I'll cheer for them when they play San Jose State. Good intern opportunities though in Silicone Valley for Grandy. That was a very classy thing for them to do. That was a special time and if I remember correctly their captains came to a basketball game in Crusader jerseys-
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Post by spenser on Aug 16, 2019 16:01:00 GMT -5
That was a very classy thing for them to do. That was a special time and if I remember correctly their captains came to a basketball game in Crusader jerseys- I remember that they did that.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 16, 2019 16:34:50 GMT -5
Another upside to Grandison's departure is that it will open up playing time for Pridgen and Hargis (who have a combined seven years of future between them), on-the-job training that will likely pay dividends down the road. One or both of them may also have a playing style more consonant with Nelson's approach. And although he is a total wildcard at this point, maybe even Sandy.
As you know, WooGray, I may jostle with you for driver of the Pridgen bandwagon.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 16, 2019 17:00:15 GMT -5
Another upside to Grandison's departure is that it will open up playing time for Pridgen and Hargis (who have a combined seven years of future between them), on-the-job training that will likely pay dividends down the road. One or both of them may also have a playing style more consonant with Nelson's approach. And although he is a total wildcard at this point, maybe even Sandy.
As you know, WooGray, I may jostle with you for driver of the Pridgen bandwagon.
Just tow the bandwagon behind a bicycle built for two.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 16, 2019 18:10:18 GMT -5
That was a special time and if I remember correctly their captains came to a basketball game in Crusader jerseys- I remember that they did that. As I recall all able to be there felt a great sense of gratitude-
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