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Post by mm67 on Jun 12, 2022 19:58:42 GMT -5
AJ Green was a transfer target who stayed in the NBA draft pool, not former Duke freshman, AJ Griffin, who is another.NBA draftee possibility. This was not an error. Correct. I missed "transfer target." I read Griffin is projected to be a first round pick. Thanks.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 12, 2022 20:45:05 GMT -5
The topic does raise relevant issues. Such as how can HC recruit other under the radar talents like Grandy, and then give them a reason to stay for four years.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 13, 2022 8:55:37 GMT -5
We need to think about why we've spent 34 internet pages talking about a guy who left HC several years ago. I suppose the fact that he finally landed at Duke after a sojourn at Illinois speaks well for him, but so what? He's nothing more than yesterday's news from an HC perspective. And he was not exactly the second coming of basketball at HC while he was here. When does it become time to move on? I think the reason people remain interested in Grandison's travails is due to the fact that he was a very likeable player here, and was very much a core player on the team for 2 full years, starting from his first game as a frosh. And, unlike other former Crusaders, many of whom bolted during or immediately after their freshman season, Grandison left Holy Cross to pursue a scholarship offer that he really couldn't refuse. I view his movement onward as a different level of "carpetbaggery" than I view Hahn leaving for hometown Nebraska-Omaha, Caleb Green leaving us for another Jesuit school down I-91, Pridgen going to UNCW (now Northeastern?, I can't keep track), Lowder going to Central Michigan and then whatever CC he went to next or Luc jumping ship for St. Bonnie's immediately after his rookie campaign. I know that's why I remain casually interested in JG's career. Perhaps others feel the same.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 13, 2022 8:59:29 GMT -5
We need to think about why we've spent 34 internet pages talking about a guy who left HC several years ago. I suppose the fact that he finally landed at Duke after a sojourn at Illinois speaks well for him, but so what? He's nothing more than yesterday's news from an HC perspective. And he was not exactly the second coming of basketball at HC while he was here. When does it become time to move on? Should we lock the Kalif Raymond thread?
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Post by Tom on Jun 13, 2022 9:32:36 GMT -5
We need to think about why we've spent 34 internet pages talking about a guy who left HC several years ago. I suppose the fact that he finally landed at Duke after a sojourn at Illinois speaks well for him, but so what? He's nothing more than yesterday's news from an HC perspective. And he was not exactly the second coming of basketball at HC while he was here. When does it become time to move on? unlike other former Crusaders, many of whom bolted during or immediately after their freshman season, Grandison left Holy Cross to pursue a scholarship offer that he really couldn't refuse. I view his movement onward as a different level of "carpetbaggery" than I view Hahn leaving for hometown Nebraska-Omaha, Caleb Green leaving us for another Jesuit school down I-91, Pridgen going to UNCW (now Northeastern?, I can't keep track), Lowder going to Central Michigan and then whatever CC he went to next or Luc jumping ship for St. Bonnie's immediately after his rookie campaign. I kind of view each move individually and have wildly differing opinions about each guy I agree there are levels of carpetbaggery. I have zero issue with Hahn who came here, tried it, and simply wasn't happy here. The other end of the spectrum is Pridgen who after transferring said he never had any intention of actually staying in Worcester
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Post by dadominate on Jun 13, 2022 9:33:15 GMT -5
We need to think about why we've spent 34 internet pages talking about a guy who left HC several years ago. I suppose the fact that he finally landed at Duke after a sojourn at Illinois speaks well for him, but so what? He's nothing more than yesterday's news from an HC perspective. And he was not exactly the second coming of basketball at HC while he was here. When does it become time to move on? I think the reason people remain interested in Grandison's travails is due to the fact that he was a very likeable player here, and was very much a core player on the team for 2 full years, starting from his first game as a frosh. And, unlike other former Crusaders, many of whom bolted during or immediately after their freshman season, Grandison left Holy Cross to pursue a scholarship offer that he really couldn't refuse. I view his movement onward as a different level of "carpetbaggery" than I view Hahn leaving for hometown Nebraska-Omaha, Caleb Green leaving us for another Jesuit school down I-91, Pridgen going to UNCW (now Northeastern?, I can't keep track), Lowder going to Central Michigan and then whatever CC he went to next or Luc jumping ship for St. Bonnie's immediately after his rookie campaign. I know that's why I remain casually interested in JG's career. Perhaps others feel the same. well said. other than spite for his success coming elsewhere, why is it hard to understand why many of us would be interested in how a 2-year crusader is doing at the highest level of college basketball? hc connection aside, it's an interesting story to have gone from one scholarship offer out of high school, to playing in the patriot league, to starting for a top 10 program in the big ten, to potentially starting for arguably the best/highest profile college program of the last few decades? grandison was a diamond in the rough and i imagine his story is inspiring for other overlooked high school players.
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Post by dadominate on Jun 13, 2022 9:35:14 GMT -5
all that said, i think cj mccollum's loyalty in the face of a similar upward trajectory is even more inspiring.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 13, 2022 9:55:48 GMT -5
We need to think about why we've spent 34 internet pages talking about a guy who left HC several years ago. I suppose the fact that he finally landed at Duke after a sojourn at Illinois speaks well for him, but so what? He's nothing more than yesterday's news from an HC perspective. And he was not exactly the second coming of basketball at HC while he was here. When does it become time to move on? I think the reason people remain interested in Grandison's travails is due to the fact that he was a very likeable player here, and was very much a core player on the team for 2 full years, starting from his first game as a frosh. And, unlike other former Crusaders, many of whom bolted during or immediately after their freshman season, Grandison left Holy Cross to pursue a scholarship offer that he really couldn't refuse. I view his movement onward as a different level of "carpetbaggery" than I view Hahn leaving for hometown Nebraska-Omaha, Caleb Green leaving us for another Jesuit school down I-91, Pridgen going to UNCW (now Northeastern?, I can't keep track), Lowder going to Central Michigan and then whatever CC he went to next or Luc jumping ship for St. Bonnie's immediately after his rookie campaign. I know that's why I remain casually interested in JG's career. Perhaps others feel the same. Reasonable. But I don't hold anything against any of the players. The lifetime benefits of completing the circle at one college are there for the taking by all incoming students at Holy Cross and other schools. If they leave it's there choice that we all had and everyone has. If a coach runs a player off and effectively out of the school I hold that against the AD and Coach. ADs shouldn't be mouthing that his school has true student athletes and then allow that behavior from coaches. There aren't too many ADs who haven't mouthed that platitude about true student athletes and academics coming first.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 13, 2022 10:03:55 GMT -5
We need to think about why we've spent 34 internet pages talking about a guy who left HC several years ago. I suppose the fact that he finally landed at Duke after a sojourn at Illinois speaks well for him, but so what? He's nothing more than yesterday's news from an HC perspective. And he was not exactly the second coming of basketball at HC while he was here. When does it become time to move on? Should we lock the Kalif Raymond thread? Sure, if someone wants to fight me because that ain’t happening without a fight.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 13, 2022 10:08:16 GMT -5
You aren't removing the tatoo for anyone.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 13, 2022 10:52:15 GMT -5
all that said, i think cj mccollum's loyalty in the face of a similar upward trajectory is even more inspiring. Different times. As much as it's obvious that CJ cherished the opportunity to be a part of the Lehigh community, I think in today's climate, there's no way he would've stayed there all four years. Steph Curry is another guy who could've transferred anywhere he wanted after his freshman year at Davidson but chose to stay through his junior year before getting drafted.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 13, 2022 10:58:26 GMT -5
all that said, i think cj mccollum's loyalty in the face of a similar upward trajectory is even more inspiring. Steph Curry is another guy who could've transferred anywhere he wanted after his freshman year at Davidson but chose to stay through his junior year before getting drafted. With Curry, it didn't hurt that Davidson went 29-5 his freshman season, earning a 12 seed in the tournament. That team was damn good outside of just Curry (Jason Richards and Andrew Lovedale come to mind). His sophomore year, they went to the Elite 8 and were a shot away from going to the Final Four. Point being, staying at Davidson with how good they were wasn't that surprising.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 13, 2022 11:05:45 GMT -5
Every time I think of that Davidson team, I think of old friend Andrew Beinert (who reportedly turned down their offer for HC).
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 13, 2022 11:45:35 GMT -5
Every time I think of that Davidson team, I think of old friend Andrew Beinert (who reportedly turned down their offer for HC). As did Pat Doherty.
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Post by Tom on Jun 13, 2022 13:50:58 GMT -5
Every time I think of that Davidson team, I think of old friend Andrew Beinert (who reportedly turned down their offer for HC). As did Pat Doherty. Both made wise choices
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 13, 2022 15:39:44 GMT -5
Steph Curry is another guy who could've transferred anywhere he wanted after his freshman year at Davidson but chose to stay through his junior year before getting drafted. With Curry, it didn't hurt that Davidson went 29-5 his freshman season, earning a 12 seed in the tournament. That team was damn good outside of just Curry (Jason Richards and Andrew Lovedale come to mind). His sophomore year, they went to the Elite 8 and were a shot away from going to the Final Four. Point being, staying at Davidson with how good they were wasn't that surprising. Jason Richards was very good. I believe he was good enough to earn an NBA Summer League invite IIRC. Lovedale was one of those do-everything-dirty-work post players who probably had the best four games of his career in succession during that 2008 NCAA Tournament run. One of the most bizarre games I recall from Curry's time at Davidson was during his junior season they played Loyola (Maryland) who was in the MAAC at the time. For whatever reason, the Loyola coach decided to double team Curry the entire game, all 40 minutes, even when it was obviously clear the strategy wasn't working. Curry wound up with 0 points and Davidson won by 30 points.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 13, 2022 16:43:29 GMT -5
With Curry, it didn't hurt that Davidson went 29-5 his freshman season, earning a 12 seed in the tournament. That team was damn good outside of just Curry (Jason Richards and Andrew Lovedale come to mind). His sophomore year, they went to the Elite 8 and were a shot away from going to the Final Four. Point being, staying at Davidson with how good they were wasn't that surprising. One of the most bizarre games I recall from Curry's time at Davidson was during his junior season they played Loyola (Maryland) who was in the MAAC at the time. For whatever reason, the Loyola coach decided to double team Curry the entire game, all 40 minutes, even when it was obviously clear the strategy wasn't working. Curry wound up with 0 points and Davidson won by 30 points. The brilliant mind of Jimmy Patsos.
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Post by bison137 on Jun 13, 2022 17:42:16 GMT -5
One of the most bizarre games I recall from Curry's time at Davidson was during his junior season they played Loyola (Maryland) who was in the MAAC at the time. For whatever reason, the Loyola coach decided to double team Curry the entire game, all 40 minutes, even when it was obviously clear the strategy wasn't working. Curry wound up with 0 points and Davidson won by 30 points. The brilliant mind of Jimmy Patsos. Patsos was admittedly more concerned about getting publicity then he was with winning the game. Although they held Curry scoreless, they lost 78 to 48. Curry's teammates shot 14 for 26 on threes as Loyola’s three-man zone gave them wide-open three-point attempts the entire game. Petsos was always a showman but never much of a coach. His opponent, Bob McKillop, who is a great coach, was not at all happy with the Loyola strategy.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 13, 2022 19:36:05 GMT -5
Bison, Grandison is receiving a free Covid year for the year was ineligible even though he suffered no lost opportunity to play because of Covid. Has the NCAA policy been clarified on this?
It would be easier for the NCAA to just grant a blanket extra year of eligibility for that season rather than try to judge which student athlete is more deserving than the next student athlete through the waiver process.
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Post by bison137 on Jun 13, 2022 19:52:59 GMT -5
Bison, Grandison is receiving a free Covid year for the year was ineligible even though he suffered no lost opportunity to play because of Covid. Has the NCAA policy been clarified on this? It would be easier for the NCAA to just grant a blanket extra year of eligibility for that season rather than try to judge which student athlete is more deserving than the next student athlete through the waiver process. They did grant a blanket year to everyone. That decision was made a long time ago. Any play in 2020-21 did not count towards using up any athletes eligibility. It was a free year. Anyone who has to petition the NCAA is doing it for other reasons: either because they want to play six years after they entered school or because it is their second transfer but they don’t want to have to sit out a year.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 13, 2022 21:35:07 GMT -5
I think the reason people remain interested in Grandison's travails is due to the fact that he was a very likeable player here, and was very much a core player on the team for 2 full years, starting from his first game as a frosh. And, unlike other former Crusaders, many of whom bolted during or immediately after their freshman season, Grandison left Holy Cross to pursue a scholarship offer that he really couldn't refuse. I view his movement onward as a different level of "carpetbaggery" than I view Hahn leaving for hometown Nebraska-Omaha, Caleb Green leaving us for another Jesuit school down I-91, Pridgen going to UNCW (now Northeastern?, I can't keep track), Lowder going to Central Michigan and then whatever CC he went to next or Luc jumping ship for St. Bonnie's immediately after his rookie campaign. I know that's why I remain casually interested in JG's career. Perhaps others feel the same. well said. other than spite for his success coming elsewhere, why is it hard to understand why many of us would be interested in how a 2-year crusader is doing at the highest level of college basketball? hc connection aside, it's an interesting story to have gone from one scholarship offer out of high school, to playing in the patriot league, to starting for a top 10 program in the big ten, to potentially starting for arguably the best/highest profile college program of the last few decades? grandison was a diamond in the rough and i imagine his story is inspiring for other overlooked high school players. Grandison will likely play pro basketball in Europe once his eligibility is up since he is playing high level now.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 13, 2022 21:43:51 GMT -5
Grandison made it look easy at HC, Butler made it look hard. Both had or are having very productive five season careers.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 13, 2022 22:25:10 GMT -5
Grandison made it look easy at HC, Butler made it look hard. Both had or are having very productive five season careers. I'm not sure how you concluded that, but from my point of view it's not a matter of how they made it look but, rather, how effective they were on the court.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 14, 2022 0:43:30 GMT -5
Grandison made it look easy at HC, Butler made it look hard. Both had or are having very productive five season careers. I'm not sure how you concluded that, but from my point of view it's not a matter of how they made it look but, rather, how effective they were on the court. I pictured Grandy gliding to the hoop and Austin plowing through defenders to get to the hoop, and both making the bucket.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 14, 2022 6:45:12 GMT -5
I keep imagining Austin Butler as the sixth man on Willard's last PL title team. Right place (Holy Cross), wrong time.
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