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Post by crossbball13 on Jul 22, 2019 19:32:34 GMT -5
Pretty absurd, sweeping claim. Really? Did Dominic Randolph start as a true freshmen? It's really not a sweeping claim if you understand what QB's have to learn in their first year at the FCS level. It's not taking anything away from Butash, he just has a zero percent chance of helping the team win as a true freshmen coming from high school with 300 kids. “The leap will be far too great for him to compete on any level.” Ridiculous. But I picked Considine. |
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Post by crossbball13 on Jul 22, 2019 19:33:06 GMT -5
I picked Considine. If Andre Sale had transferred in, I would have picked him I wouldn’t have |
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Post by efg72 on Jul 22, 2019 19:35:42 GMT -5
Good thing is none of us know what the staff is looking for. While many of us might have played, I don’t know that anybody here played QB and lead the team.
The staff will make what they believe is the best decision for the team
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Post by efg72 on Jul 22, 2019 19:47:30 GMT -5
Somebody said dharry13 played QB
I stand corrected on my earlier comment, but stand by my comment the staff will make the best call for the team
And I do think Considine starts, but I don’t discount the preparation by Butash and his desire and ability to challenge at some point this year.
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Post by jsherman on Jul 22, 2019 21:01:32 GMT -5
Connor was a highly touted recruit. I hope he catches fire and realizes his potential. BTW what happened to the LSU transfer (he is not listed) Lsu went to Texas tech. |
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Post by efg72 on Jul 22, 2019 21:22:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the input/insight. Any concerns you might highlight or if confidential certainly understand
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Post by madinga on Jul 22, 2019 21:29:54 GMT -5
I'll be glad to be proven wrong, but I am still baffled by the degree to which Butash is hyped on this Board. not sure it's hype, but more that he's the first recruited and signed by this staff |
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Post by madinga on Jul 22, 2019 21:37:04 GMT -5
well, I'm going to look at it another way. It certainly would NOT be good if Chesney felt he had no alternative for the first game against a standout opponent but to start a true freshman vs. anyone with some experience.
So who he starts game #1 may mean very little in terms of the end game and thought process
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Post by jsherman on Jul 22, 2019 21:44:17 GMT -5
First game starter will be Emmett Clifford. You can bank on it. It is an open question as to Clifford's playing the remainder of the first game or starting for the rest of the season. LoveHC I'd lean this way too for the first game. Especially against Navy. |
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Post by thecrossisback on Jul 22, 2019 21:48:52 GMT -5
Start Considine or Butash.
Clifford is not very good, we have seen that.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 22, 2019 22:30:52 GMT -5
Start Considine or Butash. Clifford is not very good, we have seen that. I think the coaches who are at practice every day will make the best decision possible. It may be that we don’t have a great option in week one. Hopefully we have one by the time PL play starts. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 22, 2019 22:35:28 GMT -5
Based on last year’s performance, I do not see Clifford possibly starting the Navy game. He played in the first three games, had less than stellar performance, then played in one other game (Harvard). Last year after the Dartmouth game, on September 22nd (Clifford did not play) it was pretty clear that the staff needed a transfer FBS level QB, with experience who could step in this year for the team. Based on these stats I would be extremely surprised if Clifford starts at Navy. www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/4030554/emmett-clifford |
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 22, 2019 23:18:45 GMT -5
I appreciate J.Sherman joining the board and his enthusiastic support of the football program, so I will vote Chris Butash and push him into sole possession of third place for now. I think it is an open competition. Unless it is a close decision and you go with a more experienced QB, it really comes down to which QB can hit the receivers most consistently. Playing against Navy the receivers aren't going to be open that long. If one QB is decidedly better getting rid of the ball quickly and accurately in the brief window available against an FBS defense, that's the one because we will have to pass to complement the run if we have any chance of winning I would think.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 23, 2019 4:46:38 GMT -5
While Navy isn't BC (or Syracuse) we are still clearly overmatched v this FBS team, so I'd guess we're going to play it conservatively. That leads me to believe Clifford may start this game for the reasons already expressed by other posters. [I'm not sure our quarterback selection for this game is particularly decisive in terms of W-L and not sure this game provides the greatest opportunity for HC QB evaluation....reasons 100 and 101 why this is not a good opener for us IMHO.]
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Post by joe on Jul 23, 2019 5:25:25 GMT -5
Surprised by those of you who think EC will start against Navy. He lost his starting job last season and the fact that a transfer FBS QB was brought in all but guarantees his starting days are over. Why start him with the plan to bench him right off the bat? Chesney will play the QB who gives the team the best chance to win. My bet will be MC will start, EC will back-up, and as the season progresses any movement on the depth chat will be for the backup role.
We’re not overmatched against Navy with a good QB.
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Post by gks on Jul 23, 2019 6:36:46 GMT -5
I'll vote Considine...Butash a close second. I don't think Clifford will see the field again...or Degenhardt for that matter. Just my opinion.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 23, 2019 6:50:37 GMT -5
Having never seen Considine, Degenhardt or Butash play, I have no idea whether they would give us a better or worse chance than Clifford of beating Navy in just over a month. Clifford was admittedly not very good a year ago but that doesn’t mean he won’t be the best option we have going into our first game.
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 23, 2019 7:21:06 GMT -5
While Navy isn't BC (or Syracuse) we are still clearly overmatched v this FBS team, so I'd guess we're going to play it conservatively. That leads me to believe Clifford may start this game for the reasons already expressed by other posters. [I'm not sure our quarterback selection for this game is particularly decisive in terms of W-L and not sure this game provides the greatest opportunity for HC QB evaluation....reasons 100 and 101 why this is not a good opener for us IMHO.] 'pride agree with your analysis of the QB situation, but not Navy as an opener.... The Mids are a well coached, well conditioned & highly motivated group of athletes. We can match them in these areas. Navy is predictable... we can & I believe will be well prepared for them. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 23, 2019 7:30:48 GMT -5
From your mouth to God’s ear.  |
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Post by joe on Jul 23, 2019 7:53:41 GMT -5
Having never seen Considine, Degenhardt or Butash play, I have no idea whether they would give us a better or worse chance than Clifford of beating Navy in just over a month. Clifford was admittedly not very good a year ago but that doesn’t mean he won’t be the best option we have going into our first game. True but I think it’s highly unlikely. Looking forward to seeing how this unfolds. I’d predict depth chart for week one: MC EC CD CB |
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 23, 2019 8:04:35 GMT -5
'pride agree with your analysis of the QB situation, but not Navy as an opener.... The Mids are a well coached, well conditioned & highly motivated group of athletes. We can match them in these areas. Navy is predictable... we can & I believe will be well prepared for them. Navy's offensive philosophy has been: Here is what we do. Now stop us. Navy is not going to try to fool us. They block and run the ball to jam it down their opponent's throat, eventually wearing down the opponent. It all comes down to execution. It is a brutal style of football in a brutal sport. This game is going to be an extremely tough test for HC. Navy' offensive philosophy is similar to Lombardi and the Packers, although obviously on a much lower level. LoveHC It's not the West Coast offense  |
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Post by HC92 on Jul 23, 2019 8:56:05 GMT -5
I suspect we may also try the ground and pound route on August 31st.
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Post by nhteamer on Jul 23, 2019 10:03:14 GMT -5
BTW, if this game is remotely close in the 4th quarter the great Greek poet will appear with 6 whistles
Count on it
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 23, 2019 16:09:27 GMT -5
ALL IN on Matt C.
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Post by crossbball13 on Jul 23, 2019 16:30:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the input/insight. Any concerns you might highlight or if confidential certainly understand Not going to go into detail. Coach's decisions. They see everything.. Including work out ethic etc. Not sure if I buy that his teammates are spreading that and not a good look if it’s true. Might be competitive jealousy of the new kid? |
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