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Post by gks on Sept 2, 2019 16:28:48 GMT -5
Was just looking at the box score. Navy had 14 different players who rushed the football. That has to be close to a record. That's their offense.
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Post by HC92 on Sept 2, 2019 16:36:41 GMT -5
Was just looking at the box score. Navy had 14 different players who rushed the football. That has to be close to a record. That's their offense. In last year’s comfortable win over Lehigh, only 4 Middies had carries.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 2, 2019 16:38:53 GMT -5
In last year’s comfortable win over Navy, only 4 Middies had carries. Confusing Army and Navy ? Guess you have no relatives from either ?
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Post by hcpride on Sept 2, 2019 16:52:26 GMT -5
Was just looking at the box score. Navy had 14 different players who rushed the football. That has to be close to a record. Know what you mean and 14 different ball carriers does seem like quite a bit. We had 3 - even with the game obviously out of hand. During last years BC debacle v us, the Eagles had 13 different ball carriers so maybe 14 is not so crazy in a bench-clearing blowout.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 2, 2019 16:56:57 GMT -5
Well the Navy offense lends itself to more runners, at least 3 options, sometimes 4 on each attempt.
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Post by HC92 on Sept 2, 2019 16:58:19 GMT -5
In Saturday’s 79-0 win over Howard, Maryland used 8 ball carriers.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 2, 2019 17:04:32 GMT -5
What offense does Maryland run ?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 2, 2019 17:05:27 GMT -5
While we still would have lost by a significant amount, the 45-7 final score was largely the result of very mediocre QB play and a vanilla playbook for the offense. Will Chesney take command and adjust or not. I personally didn't think Degenhart was THAT BAD for a first start against FBS opponent. I like that he can use his feet too -- only 17 rushing yards on 10 carries but remember in the college game sacks count as negative rushing yards for QB (in the NFL it counts as a "Team Rush" for negative yards). A bunch of his bad throws can be attributed to nerves. His "fumble" was a horrible call on the field. Would like to see how he progresses the next few weeks before pulling him for Clifford or Considine. The biggest disappointment for me was the lack of adjustments at halftime. Offense ran the same plays, defense failed to spread the field to defend the outside. DB's got beat one-on-one EVERY TIME Navy threw the ball. D gave up TOUCHDOWNS on five consecutive drives bridging halves. The Mids' second to last drive of 4th quarter, which resulted in a punt, probably ends in a TD if they go for it on 4th and 5 in our territory. I think they just wanted to get their punter into the game. Their last drive, with 2nd and 3rd QB rotating each play with second string O on field, would have been another TD had time not run out. Down 24-7 at the break, the team should played looser in the second half, instead there seemed to be no spark. On to UNH -- I expect we will be treated to a strong effort at home and maybe even a win.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 2, 2019 17:20:54 GMT -5
His fumble was indeed a "thank you for your service" call. If called an incomplete pass, that would not have been overturned on review. It came at a tough time.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 2, 2019 17:22:58 GMT -5
A very bad call, but would have changed the final score very little if at all
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 2, 2019 17:26:12 GMT -5
Quite correct about the final score.
No mention of the blown chip shot FG? That was a shocker.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 2, 2019 17:28:50 GMT -5
Yes, but 45-10 if converted
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Post by hcpride on Sept 2, 2019 17:39:04 GMT -5
In Saturday’s 79-0 win over Howard, Maryland used 8 ball carriers. I'm guessing Navy cleared the bench in the lopsided victory and continued to run the option so all sorts of starters and reserves saw action as ball carriers. They also had a high number of running plays (67...v our 27) (As I noted before BC had 13 ball carriers in their blowout v HC last year and probably implies clearing the bench early and utilizing a large number of running plays.)
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 2, 2019 17:46:55 GMT -5
Yes, but 45-10 if converted At the time, early in the game, the score could have been 17-10. Might that have made a difference later? Unlikely, but I was still shocked. I had come to think of Ng as a sure thing.
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Post by HC16 on Sept 2, 2019 17:50:14 GMT -5
In Saturday’s 79-0 win over Howard, Maryland used 8 ball carriers. I'm guessing Navy cleared the bench in the lopsided victory and continued to run the option so all sorts of starters and reserves saw action as ball carriers. They also had a high number of running plays (67...v our 27) (As I noted before BC had 13 ball carriers in their blowout v HC last year and probably implies clearing the bench early and utilizing a large number of running plays.) For context, in the Army-Navy game last year, Navy had 10 ball carriers in the box score. That was a 7 point game so it's unlikely benches were emptied. I'd say it's mostly just their offence. Perry (their starting QB) was in well into the 4th quarter of our game. They also appeared to use 13 ball carriers in their game with Lehigh last year. www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=401019487
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 2, 2019 18:04:58 GMT -5
What I did not see on Saturday was an improvement in competitiveness against a better opponent. BC was a stronger team than Navy, and I thought the overall performance against Navy was less than what HC put forward @ BC. Heck, the special teams play against BC would be graded an A or A+.
Time of possession fourth quarter, Navy was ahead by 31 at the start of the quarter, and by 38 eight seconds into the fourth quarter. Navy 12;36 HC 2:24
In the fourth quarter, HC's first string ran nine plays for a total of 27 yards and one first down against Navy's second and third team. Eighty players took the field for Navy.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 2, 2019 18:09:12 GMT -5
For those watching the game, in person or tv, the game was a bit frustrating if you were looking for adjustments and risk taking
Perhaps we should look at the discipline of the staff to focus on the schemes they want to execute throughout the season and give the kids a chance to compete without showing too much
While he likely would have done more if it had been a PL game this was a great way to scrimmage and find out what you have for the season ahead
To me that took discipline by the staff and a competitive acceptance by the players
You kick the fg and leave down 7 at half perhaps they adjust at half and stretch the field and adjust on D
That didn't happen so they stayed stuck to the plan( i am only guessing here)
If i was Chesney i would feel good -i checked a few boxes Learned about my team, know what needs to be done gave the school, team and alums/fans a chance to play up a level or two and get a check
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Post by wheeler5 on Sept 2, 2019 18:38:43 GMT -5
With all due respect, this is all just a bunch of wanking. Fr Boroughs and the Trustees make these decisions. I have a theory that he was sold a bill of goods by AD Pine and some others who had the harebrained idea of scheduling a bunch of FBS schools when we were getting our asses handed to us by PL schools.
Do you know why we had that run in the 80s? Two reasons: Fr Brooks and Edward Bennett Williams, two very serious individuals who knew what it takes to win. EBW flew out to Ohio in his private plane to pick up Rick Carter. That kind of thing can make an impression.
Do you really think it enhances our "brand" to to see our players get beat up by bigger, stronger, faster, and more talented FBS players?
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Post by hcpride on Sept 2, 2019 18:52:50 GMT -5
I'm guessing Navy cleared the bench in the lopsided victory and continued to run the option so all sorts of starters and reserves saw action as ball carriers. They also had a high number of running plays (67...v our 27) (As I noted before BC had 13 ball carriers in their blowout v HC last year and probably implies clearing the bench early and utilizing a large number of running plays.) For context, in the Army-Navy game last year, Navy had 10 ball carriers in the box score. That was a 7 point game so it's unlikely benches were emptied. I'd say it's mostly just their offence. Perry (their starting QB) was in well into the 4th quarter of our game. They also appeared to use 13 ball carriers in their game with Lehigh last year. www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=401019487Navy played 80 (eighty) players against us. It is fair to say they emptied their benches. It is also true they also used lots of players in the Lehigh blowout last year. It is also true Navy's option offense uses many ball carriers.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 2, 2019 18:53:47 GMT -5
Father Brooks accepted the vision of EBW, he did not embrace it! As a result he reverted to his vision when given the opportunity.
While i could be wrong, I actually believe the kids look forward to these games and a reason to pick a school like Holy Cross.
I am not suggesting Syracuse and the like be a fixture on the schedule, but lower D1 programs are attractive draws for players-Harvard, Princeton, and Yale get better talent because they are HYP, once we establish a winning environment we can and should be able to use the enhanced schedule to attract talent and retain and pay coaches
So yes i am in favor of Academies being on the schedule
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Post by hcpride on Sept 2, 2019 19:05:59 GMT -5
With all due respect, this is all just a bunch of wanking. Fr Boroughs and the Trustees make these decisions. I have a theory that he was sold a bill of goods by AD Pine and some others who had the harebrained idea of scheduling a bunch of FBS schools when we were getting our asses handed to us by PL schools. Do you know why we had that run in the 80s? Two reasons: Fr Brooks and Edward Bennett Williams, two very serious individuals who knew what it takes to win. EBW flew out to Ohio in his private plane to pick up Rick Carter. That kind of thing can make an impression. Do you really think it enhances our "brand" to to see our players get beat up by bigger, stronger, faster, and more talented FBS players? To some these lopsided affairs {such as the BC game] are a bit embarrassing (and no less embarrassing if there is a check involved). To others they are embarrassing and they are a poignant reminder that we once were competitive against teams like BC, Syracuse, etc. To others these sorts of game retard the vital development of play-calling and personnel decisions needed to defeat our normal competition. Others believe kids like the experience, coaches learn from the experience, they attract stronger recurits, there is no increased likelihood of injury, and there is a check, so there is no down side.
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Post by deep Purple on Sept 2, 2019 19:16:08 GMT -5
While we still would have lost by a significant amount, the 45-7 final score was largely the result of very mediocre QB play and a vanilla playbook for the offense. Will Chesney take command and adjust or not. QB, CD 16 for 29, 167 yards, 0 intercepts in his first start against heavy pressure from a superior Navy team. I would imagine that the coaches were quite pleased with his opening day first start against Navy. POI, what was his QB rating? I look forward to his continued development during the season. I'll keep my fingers crossed. I'm sure that all posters on this board wish this outstanding young man much success. LoveHC Another thing to keep in mind is it was his first time seeing the field. He's the equivalent of a red shirt freshman. He didn't get any reps last year, even when games were out of hand or when there was no chance of winning the PL. Very frustrating to watch.
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Post by southernsader on Sept 2, 2019 19:51:29 GMT -5
With all due respect, this is all just a bunch of wanking. Fr Boroughs and the Trustees make these decisions. I have a theory that he was sold a bill of goods by AD Pine and some others who had the harebrained idea of scheduling a bunch of FBS schools when we were getting our asses handed to us by PL schools. Do you know why we had that run in the 80s? Two reasons: Fr Brooks and Edward Bennett Williams, two very serious individuals who knew what it takes to win. EBW flew out to Ohio in his private plane to pick up Rick Carter. That kind of thing can make an impression. Do you really think it enhances our "brand" to to see our players get beat up by bigger, stronger, faster, and more talented FBS players? Amen. It's ridiculous.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 2, 2019 21:43:21 GMT -5
It’s too early in this new era (Luth and Chesney) to make final decisions about the appropriateness of playing FBS teams. Let’s see how we do in a couple of years
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 2, 2019 22:13:25 GMT -5
It’s too early in this new era (Luth and Chesney) to make final decisions about the appropriateness of playing FBS teams. Let’s see how we do in a couple of years Scheduling one FBS opponent per season is par for the course for just about all scholarship FCS teams. 100+ such crossover games are played every year. Not going away. Theyre $$$ games -- no different than the basketball team going to play Michigan. Note that playing two of these games like we are doing this year will be an outlier (and should be). There will be occasional seasons where we don't play an FBS, perhaps if we can't work out an open date with a regional opponent.
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