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Post by hc87 on Aug 31, 2019 19:52:19 GMT -5
The league has to change some of its policies...redshirting, # of scholarships, roster size etc
We are losing to non and limited # scholarship programs now....we lost to Davidson and St Francis today...let that sink in.
The FBS games were complete blow-outs....though somewhat to be expected, there were many examples of FCS schools playing FBS teams competitively this weekend.
It's getting bad and apparently not getting better.
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 31, 2019 20:07:59 GMT -5
And Fordham just lost to CCSU 26-23 on a fg with no time left - came was played in the Bronx - that’s officially a ‘bagel’ for the PL this weekend
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Post by hc87 on Aug 31, 2019 20:11:00 GMT -5
There's no sugar coating it...it's existentially bad right now....like schools are going to start thinking of dropping football bad.
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Post by deep Purple on Aug 31, 2019 20:14:45 GMT -5
Why not allow three or four non medical redshirts per year in addition to the medical redshirts?
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Post by deep Purple on Aug 31, 2019 20:20:32 GMT -5
Jennifer Heppel is the do-nothing commissioner. She should be fired and replaced with someone who gives a damn.
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Post by cruskater31 on Aug 31, 2019 20:21:11 GMT -5
CAA.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 31, 2019 20:23:28 GMT -5
Jennifer Heppel is the do-nothing commissioner. She should be fired and replaced with someone who gives a damn. Do not the league presidents make athletic policy ?
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Post by matunuck on Aug 31, 2019 20:31:52 GMT -5
Curious to know how many think the AI is worth all the gauzy praise the PL places on it. Perhaps it is worth it, but I’m not sure we gain much from it considering that other “academic” schools get by just fine without it — as HC did for many decades. I have mixed views but open to arguments on either side.
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 31, 2019 20:33:48 GMT -5
The league’s hope this year rests with Colgate and HC. I still have hope !
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Post by deep Purple on Aug 31, 2019 20:34:43 GMT -5
Jennifer Heppel is the do-nothing commissioner. She should be fired and replaced with someone who gives a damn. Do not the league presidents make athletic policy ? Does the commissioner ever meet with the league presidents?
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Post by hc87 on Aug 31, 2019 20:42:22 GMT -5
The league’s hope this year rests with Colgate and HC. I still have hope ! Colgate and HC will probably be about 3-5 and 2-5 respectively when they play for the PL title at Fitton in October....
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 31, 2019 20:48:46 GMT -5
My first recommendation: Increase the number of scholarships
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Post by hc87 on Aug 31, 2019 20:49:33 GMT -5
I think HC should not be presumptuous in representing that the HC point of view is shared by the diverse institutions that comprise the PL. In contrast, it has been obvious for many years that "HC is out of its depth." Don't waste PL time with this gibberish....Just find another league that's a better fit. No loss to the PL...The PL can always find another bottom replace your role. LOL....and I'm the "bad guy" here?
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Post by joe on Aug 31, 2019 20:57:09 GMT -5
HC does not need to abide by PL rules if it chooses not to do so. I think we should throw down the gauntlet, recruit, redshirt, and give max FCS schollies. I’d rather sacrifice an auto bid and hope to be good enough to get an at large bid to the playoffs if the FCS playoffs are even what we want.
Here’s what I would do, and in this order: 1. Investigate feasibility of a PL rule change. 2. As above, ignore PL rules, remain in the PL, and field a top level FCS team and make at large bid a program goal. 3. Join CAA. 4. FCS independent. 5. Be a founding member of new FCS league.
Agree with others, the PL produces maybe 1 good team every year or two, but overall has been a failed experiment as far as football goes. I can’t see a counter argument.
HC does NOT need league rules to ensure it retains academic integrity. Let the school govern itself. We weren’t exactly a school of jocks in the heyday of the late 80s and early 90s. Lotta bright, successful professionals from that era.
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Post by purplepig on Aug 31, 2019 20:58:41 GMT -5
Scholarships have done nothing for the league. Is doubling down (red-shirting, bigger rosters, etc.) going to make a difference? IMHO red-shirting for non-medical reasons is a perversion of college athletics, and it’s not a cure for anything at this level, where the NFL is not a plausible next step.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 31, 2019 20:59:36 GMT -5
Curious to know how many think the AI is worth all the gauzy praise the PL places on it. Perhaps it is worth it, but I’m not sure we gain much from it considering that other “academic” schools get by just fine without it — as HC did for many decades. I have mixed views but open to arguments on either side. Our academic reputation was stronger without the AI...and the public/prospective students/etc. are not particularly impressed if/when they find out that the PL has an AI. I think the AI hamstrings our built-in recruiting advantage for Catholic school kids (removes appropriate discretion HC college admissions might otherwise employ for an athlete from St Joes Prep, etc. who's eyeballing us and some top CAA schools) I think there are several schools already who want to get in the CAA and we would not be at the top of the list if we were looking to join.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 21:00:59 GMT -5
PL is dead. We need to get into the CAA (or another competitive conference) or just drop football.
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Post by gks on Aug 31, 2019 21:01:02 GMT -5
Doesn't the final say on athletics rest with the PL school presidents? They set the direction of the league. The PL is an academics first league. IMHO the school presidents will not allow the PL to take steps that they believe compromise the academic profile/identity of the schools either through more lenient admissions policies or loosening various rules, eg red shirting. Might as well fire the school presidents who approve PL policies. It is great if the teams win OOC but not at the expense of the academic profile and mission of the individual institutions. The schools broadly agree that they do not want to emphasize athletics, as they define it, in the pursuit of success on the field or court. Schools are more than teams. St. Francis, Davidson, CCSU - who cares? FWIW Fr. Brooks was quite critical of the failure of IA school presidents to control their athletics programs. He believed that it was an abdication of their responsibility. Obviously, I applaud the PL and am proud and quite happy that HC is a member of this league. How will offering 3 more scholarships per team (to the FCS limit of 63) affect the schools? To be honest I've really had enough over the years of the "academic first" crutch that the PL schools have used. The problem run much, much deeper than that. Self-imposed roster limits and crappy assistant pay weigh this league down much more than school work.
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Post by realism on Aug 31, 2019 21:01:57 GMT -5
The league’s hope this year rests with Colgate and HC. I still have hope ! Colgate and HC will probably be about 3-5 and 2-5 respectively when they play for the PL title at Fitton in October.... I think the Fordham games in Hammy on Nov 9 and against the Saders in NYC on Nov 16 preempt prudently predicting a title in Oct and throughout the season.
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Post by joe on Aug 31, 2019 21:02:26 GMT -5
Scholarships have done nothing for the league. Is doubling down (red-shirting, bigger rosters, etc.) going to make a difference? IMHO red-shirting for non-medical reasons is a perversion of college athletics, and it’s not a cure for anything at this level, where the NFL is not a plausible next step. Vehemently disagree. Non-medical redshirting would allow for greater focus on coursework by allowing students to space out their course load. I believe the 50-60 hours a week they invest in the football program earn this small luxury.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 31, 2019 21:06:12 GMT -5
Week 0 and Week 1 lent literally ZERO insight into how the PL will shake up. The only thing we know for sure is that Colgate has come back to Earth -- which still might be good enough to defend their title.
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Post by realism on Aug 31, 2019 21:08:34 GMT -5
I think HC should not be presumptuous in representing that the HC point of view is shared by the diverse institutions that comprise the PL. In contrast, it has been obvious for many years that "HC is out of its depth." Don't waste PL time with this gibberish....Just find another league that's a better fit. No loss to the PL...The PL can always find another bottom feeder to replace your role. LOL....and I'm the "bad guy" here?
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Post by hc87 on Aug 31, 2019 21:11:25 GMT -5
It's reached a critical mass imo....I'm really appreciative that we have a fan-base than can discuss this thoughtfully.
The league shouldn't be this bad in football...the members of this league have deep, deep historical roots in college football...the sport shouldn't be getting the short shrift it has by whomever is in charge....disgraceful.
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Post by gks on Aug 31, 2019 21:19:07 GMT -5
It's reached a critical mass imo....I'm really appreciative that we have a fan-base than can discuss this thoughtfully. The league shouldn't be this bad in football...the members of this league have deep, deep historical roots in college football...the sport shouldn't be getting the short shrift it has by whomever is in charge....disgraceful. The school's deep historical roots are just that...history. Schools haven't adapted to the modern times in regards to athletics. Football sets the tone for the entire school year. Crappy football = crappy league.
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Post by purplepig on Aug 31, 2019 21:20:15 GMT -5
It’s hard to disagree with anything said above. Yet this game is not representative of what this season could be. The third-string on an FBS team should be better than the first string of a PL team or most FCS teams. That’s life. The league was better off when it has the deal with the Ivies for out-of-Conference games. Name opponents, regional opponents and competitive games. There are a couple teams in the league that don’t seem to give a damn, Bucknell and Lafayette, but that is the case with a lot of leagues. Good luck men. And remember, FCS football is a way to spend a pleasant fall afternoon. It’s just what it is. How many football fans even know who won the FCS title last year?
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