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Post by rgs318 on Sept 21, 2019 18:51:04 GMT -5
Nothing. Some of the offered salary went instead to assistants.
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Post by breezy on Sept 21, 2019 18:54:47 GMT -5
Can we not mix in some freaking smash-mouth football with these guys? LT Jr 6’4” 314 lbs LG Sr 6’3” 302 lbs C Sr 6’3” 288 lbs RG So 6’4” 281 lbs RT Sr 6’7” 308 lbs Although this is the starting OL shown in the two-deep published on Monday, the Center and Right Tackle listed did not play today, and were replaced by a junior and a sophomore. I don't know whether this was due to injuries or due to coach's decision, and I don't know how or whether this affected the play of the OL.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 21, 2019 18:57:32 GMT -5
I am curious based upon a previous comment. What is Chesney's salary? Is it a lot less than Gilmore's was? How much did the school save when hiring Chesney? If you cannot recognize that Bob Chesney is a better choice for HC head coach now than Tom Gilmore I don't think we can help you.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 21, 2019 19:09:44 GMT -5
I am curious based upon a previous comment. What is Chesney's salary? Is it a lot less than Gilmore's was? How much did the school save when hiring Chesney? That is irrelevant. What HC got was a better head coaach. Each are fine men, but I would take Chesney any day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 19:23:45 GMT -5
I am curious based upon a previous comment. What is Chesney's salary? Is it a lot less than Gilmore's was? How much did the school save when hiring Chesney? If you cannot recognize that Bob Chesney is a better choice for HC head coach now than Tom Gilmore I don't think we can help you. My question was not implying that. But, we'll see....Regardless of past affiliation with Gilmore, I wasn't a fan of the "Assumption" hires and it's okay to have different opinions on this board. 14 games in I would be happy to promote Scott James as the HC and start over. James has the resume, pedigree, and presence that players can be proud of. If players wanted to meet the real Kliff Kingsbury, they can book a flight to Arizona and we can set up a meet/greet.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 21, 2019 19:28:35 GMT -5
Aside from Mr. Spread 'em and shred 'em, the RB coach is in his first season, he played at Endicott, and coached running backs for two years at AIC. The WR coach, also in his first season, was a walk-on at Pitt, coached at Thiel, Carnegie Mellon, and Maine Maritime, and most recently, four years at Columbia. At Yale, the OC is in his eighth season at Yale. He is also the QB coach. Prior to Yale, four years at Maine, Murray State for two, and Tennessee Martin for two.
The RB coach is in his fifth season as RB coach. Offensive quality control assistant at Tennessee for two years. Played at Bowling Green.
The WR coach is in his sixth year at Yale. Played for Hofstra, coached at UNH, McNeese State, SE Louisiana, and Sacred Heart.
I view these three HC offensive assistant coaches as short on Div I experience, and having limited experience with Chesney's thinking. By season's end, these three coaches will have had a total of four seasons coaching under Chesney. IMO, this lack of both experience and familiarity is a recipe for underachievement on the gridiron..
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 21, 2019 19:59:27 GMT -5
If you cannot recognize that Bob Chesney is a better choice for HC head coach now than Tom Gilmore I don't think we can help you. My question was not implying that. But, we'll see....Regardless of past affiliation with Gilmore, I wasn't a fan of the "Assumption" hires and it's okay to have different opinions on this board. 14 games in I would be happy to promote Scott James as the HC and start over. James has the resume, pedigree, and presence that players can be proud of. If players wanted to meet the real Kliff Kingsbury, they can book a flight to Arizona and we can set up a meet/greet. Unbelievable--absolutely unbelievable
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 20:08:37 GMT -5
My question was not implying that. But, we'll see....Regardless of past affiliation with Gilmore, I wasn't a fan of the "Assumption" hires and it's okay to have different opinions on this board. 14 games in I would be happy to promote Scott James as the HC and start over. James has the resume, pedigree, and presence that players can be proud of. If players wanted to meet the real Kliff Kingsbury, they can book a flight to Arizona and we can set up a meet/greet. Unbelievable--absolutely unbelievable We agree to disagree. Most people on this board are okay with 14 straight games of no game plan or in game adjustments on the offensive side of the ball. Can it be rectified? Sure, but something needs to change. The current, overall product is an embarrassment and I include last week's game at UNH. In all honesty, I don't think any QB would succeed in the current system being run.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 21, 2019 20:44:49 GMT -5
My question was not implying that. But, we'll see....Regardless of past affiliation with Gilmore, I wasn't a fan of the "Assumption" hires and it's okay to have different opinions on this board. 14 games in I would be happy to promote Scott James as the HC and start over. James has the resume, pedigree, and presence that players can be proud of. If players wanted to meet the real Kliff Kingsbury, they can book a flight to Arizona and we can set up a meet/greet. Unbelievable--absolutely unbelievable Actually very believable given who wrote it.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 21, 2019 20:49:03 GMT -5
Aside from Mr. Spread 'em and shred 'em, the RB coach is in his first season, he played at Endicott, and coached running backs for two years at AIC. The WR coach, also in his first season, was a walk-on at Pitt, coached at Thiel, Carnegie Mellon, and Maine Maritime, and most recently, four years at Columbia. At Yale, the OC is in his eighth season at Yale. He is also the QB coach. Prior to Yale, four years at Maine, Murray State for two, and Tennessee Martin for two. The RB coach is in his fifth season as RB coach. Offensive quality control assistant at Tennessee for two years. Played at Bowling Green. The WR coach is in his sixth year at Yale. Played for Hofstra, coached at UNH, McNeese State, SE Louisiana, and Sacred Heart. I view these three HC offensive assistant coaches as short on Div I experience, and having limited experience with Chesney's thinking. By season's end, these three coaches will have had a total of four seasons coaching under Chesney. IMO, this lack of both experience and familiarity is a recipe for underachievement on the gridiron.. Bark up another tree or stick to building blueprints and web cams. Have you ever looked at the bios of the Patsies assts?
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Post by hcgrad94 on Sept 21, 2019 20:53:59 GMT -5
Aside from Mr. Spread 'em and shred 'em, the RB coach is in his first season, he played at Endicott, and coached running backs for two years at AIC. The WR coach, also in his first season, was a walk-on at Pitt, coached at Thiel, Carnegie Mellon, and Maine Maritime, and most recently, four years at Columbia. At Yale, the OC is in his eighth season at Yale. He is also the QB coach. Prior to Yale, four years at Maine, Murray State for two, and Tennessee Martin for two. The RB coach is in his fifth season as RB coach. Offensive quality control assistant at Tennessee for two years. Played at Bowling Green. The WR coach is in his sixth year at Yale. Played for Hofstra, coached at UNH, McNeese State, SE Louisiana, and Sacred Heart. I view these three HC offensive assistant coaches as short on Div I experience, and having limited experience with Chesney's thinking. By season's end, these three coaches will have had a total of four seasons coaching under Chesney. IMO, this lack of both experience and familiarity is a recipe for underachievement on the gridiron.. Bark up another tree or stick to building blueprints and web cams. Have you ever looked at the bios of the Patsies assts? Perfectly said ________________________________
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Post by hc87 on Sept 21, 2019 21:05:48 GMT -5
It is what it is for now....but to think we once had guys like Tom Rossley etc as OC's to what we have today...is somewhat depressing.
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Post by HC92 on Sept 21, 2019 21:20:48 GMT -5
Maybe Clyde Christensen will leaves his job as Jameis Winston’s coach in Tampa to return to HC as OC.
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Post by cmo on Sept 21, 2019 21:57:27 GMT -5
Aside from Mr. Spread 'em and shred 'em, the RB coach is in his first season, he played at Endicott, and coached running backs for two years at AIC. The WR coach, also in his first season, was a walk-on at Pitt, coached at Thiel, Carnegie Mellon, and Maine Maritime, and most recently, four years at Columbia. At Yale, the OC is in his eighth season at Yale. He is also the QB coach. Prior to Yale, four years at Maine, Murray State for two, and Tennessee Martin for two. The RB coach is in his fifth season as RB coach. Offensive quality control assistant at Tennessee for two years. Played at Bowling Green. The WR coach is in his sixth year at Yale. Played for Hofstra, coached at UNH, McNeese State, SE Louisiana, and Sacred Heart. I view these three HC offensive assistant coaches as short on Div I experience, and having limited experience with Chesney's thinking. By season's end, these three coaches will have had a total of four seasons coaching under Chesney. IMO, this lack of both experience and familiarity is a recipe for underachievement on the gridiron.. Should we pay our assistants more to make the position more attractive?
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Post by 6sader7 on Sept 21, 2019 22:24:25 GMT -5
Went to the game today. Defense played its collective heart out on a hot day in New Haven. Offense was very disappointing. I know Yale may be the best FCS team we’ll play all year but we need to do better than what we saw today. We had two decent possessions. One early that led to the play where we decided to go wildcat on the two foot line and turned it over and the one in the 4th where Forrest had the nice run and then CD and Ayeni had the nice pitch and catch for the TD. Other than that, it was a complete dumpster fire. Don’t know whether it’s talent or play-calling or what but we really need to do something different soon. Someone has to tell me why we can’t EVER try to play power football and get out of the bleeping shotgun on short-yardage plays. We were on the two-foot line for the love of Pete. And the false start when CD ran up like he was going to go under center for the first time all year was terrible. What the hell are we doing? Can we not mix in some freaking smash-mouth football with these guys? LT Jr 6’4” 314 lbs LG Sr 6’3” 302 lbs C Sr 6’3” 288 lbs RG So 6’4” 281 lbs RT Sr 6’7” 308 lbs Amen
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 21, 2019 22:59:29 GMT -5
It is what it is for now....but to think we once had guys like Tom Rossley etc as OC's to what we have today...is somewhat depressing. And HC coulda joined da Big East too. Move on.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 21, 2019 23:04:35 GMT -5
We should have joined the Big East and you know that.
It's the same "small-minded" thinking with regards to athletics i.e. not paying assistants etc that continues to hamper HC.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 21, 2019 23:10:30 GMT -5
It is what it is for now....but to think we once had guys like Tom Rossley etc as OC's to what we have today...is somewhat depressing. The magical 80's were an anomaly, an aberration, not the usual over HC's long history and in all likelihood never to be repeated again. Look it up. LoveHC You are so wrong here....HC was situated quite well in 1-AA football in the 1980s...but typically, we self-sabotaged ourselves in this sport too.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 21, 2019 23:13:22 GMT -5
I have followed HC football from 1970 or so on, my Dad '50 was a fanatic as well....I know very well our history in football beyond my years as a student at HC in the 80s
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 23:43:18 GMT -5
They should have joined the Big East and you know that. It's the same "small-minded" thinking with regards to athletics i.e. not paying assistants etc that continues to hamper HC. Class of '87? Respectfully.: Be grateful for the magical ride you experienced at HC and move on. Be grateful for the high quality college HC has been and will continue to be for the forceable future. LoveHC I don't understand what high quality means? Many HC alums have this level of academic pretentiousness that translates to absolutely nothing. Are we an Ivy League School? No. Do we want to compete in football? Yes/No? Look at ODU tonight against UVA. In less than 10 years, they have built a quality football team that took UVA down to the wire. Yes, it doesn't have HC's history or academic prestige, but we don't know how to promote those things ourselves as an institution. Where do we celebrate our history at HC? What is our identity? Football is like any capitalistic system and HC needs to start looking at the longer term vision of their brand. Right now, it's a sub par product with no direction that is operating in a league that will soon face extinction. What is the long term play? Compete or participate? You can't be half in/half out in today's world..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 23:53:43 GMT -5
I have followed HC football from 1970 or so on, my Dad '50 was a fanatic as well....I know very well our history in football beyond my years as a student at HC in the 80s You sure don't sound as though you do know our history. I was there for much of it. Look, we all want to see HC succeed but if you keep yearning for past glory you will never be able to enjoy our successes which are sure to come in this era. You will never be satisfied, never enjoy the wins, never be a happy Crusader. Football, one FBS bowl game , never to be repeated . B-ball no more national championships never to be repeated. Div. 1AA decade long glory of the 80's is gone, never to be repeated. And, it's ok. Appreciate what we all have, namely a wonderful college which competes in a high academic league and we will succeed, win a lot of games, win championships , no doubt about it. Enjoy it. And, let us both continue to LoveHC That's where the problem lies. High-Academic-League? What does that mean? Is that like a B league version of the Ivy's? Does that include Williams and Amherst? For the people that believe in this "vision", I want all the specifics of how it is suppose to look. Patriot League schools are playing a silly game with all their stupid rules around scholarships. Did we move to scholarships to compete or pretend to compete?
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Post by wheeler5 on Sept 22, 2019 6:11:02 GMT -5
Change our OC or this will continue. So obvious. Also like to try another QB. Real shame to watch our better than expected D get zero help from the offense game after game. You're assuming that the OC is some sort of autonomous position and Coach Chesney doesn't have any input, or even an offensive philosophy. Would it make a lot more sense to assume that this guy is doing exactly what Chesney wants him to do?
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Post by wheeler5 on Sept 22, 2019 6:23:49 GMT -5
Meat says this offense stinks and Chesney is a lightweight. Nice crowd there today though. Lots of Yalies and a decent turnout on our side Meat says Chesney needs a big time OC Why would a big-time OC work for a small-time HC?
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Post by bigfan on Sept 22, 2019 6:58:08 GMT -5
Time for a new OC. Looking back, we would have been a top 25 team with Duffner even if we played a better schedule.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 22, 2019 7:07:50 GMT -5
Class of '87? Respectfully.: Be grateful for the magical ride you experienced at HC and move on. Be grateful for the high quality college HC has been and will continue to be for the forceable future. LoveHC I don't understand what high quality means? Many HC alums have this level of academic pretentiousness that translates to absolutely nothing. Are we an Ivy League School? No. Do we want to compete in football? Yes/No? Look at ODU tonight against UVA. In less than 10 years, they have built a quality football team that took UVA down to the wire. Yes, it doesn't have HC's history or academic prestige, but we don't know how to promote those things ourselves as an institution. Where do we celebrate our history at HC? What is our identity? Football is like any capitalistic system and HC needs to start looking at the longer term vision of their brand. Right now, it's a sub par product with no direction that is operating in a league that will soon face extinction. What is the long term play? Compete or participate? You can't be half in/half out in today's world.. I guess ODU is a good model...if your goal is close losses. They did lose that game you reference didn't they?
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