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Post by possum on Oct 30, 2019 21:55:54 GMT -5
Let's not get carried away here Assumption as a D-2 school is in the same boat as us. They have a new coach and were playing a new system in their first game as well. They were a very bad team last year and were playing last night without their only quality big man.
I think some are trying to pump up our guys effort last night by rationalizing that Assumption is a quality opponent.
There were some positives but also a lot of things that must improve and make no mistake about it a loss to a D-2 opponent would have been embarrassing.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 30, 2019 23:17:45 GMT -5
Nichols wouldve beat us last year. I coule totally see Assumption making a quick rise to the top of the NE 10 under this guy He didn't recruit those kids though at Nichols. He was only at Nichols for LAST season as they have been through a few coaches lately. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 30, 2019 23:20:51 GMT -5
Assumption definitely not a bad team. I wouldn't have been surprised one bit with an L given our youth, turnover, inexperience and implementation of a new system. The production from the freshmen, in addition to our overall offensive offiency, can't be bad signs. Put me in the category of very excited to follow Holy Cross Mens Basketball this year. Assumption went 8-20 last season and 4-17 in the NE-10. Let's slow down on thinking they are a GOOD D-2 team. |
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Post by bison137 on Oct 31, 2019 0:42:26 GMT -5
Assumption definitely not a bad team. I wouldn't have been surprised one bit with an L given our youth, turnover, inexperience and implementation of a new system. The production from the freshmen, in addition to our overall offensive offiency, can't be bad signs. Put me in the category of very excited to follow Holy Cross Mens Basketball this year. Assumption went 8-20 last season and 4-17 in the NE-10. Let's slow down on thinking they are a GOOD D-2 team. You might add that they were picked for 6th place out of 7 teams in their division this year in the NE10 Coaches Poll. Way behind the 5th place selection. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 31, 2019 1:33:29 GMT -5
Assumption went 8-20 last season and 4-17 in the NE-10. Let's slow down on thinking they are a GOOD D-2 team. You might add that they were picked for 6th place out of 7 teams in their division this year in the NE10 Coaches Poll. Way behind the 5th place selection. The top of d-2 and d-3 could beat the low level D-1 teams but Assumption isn’t one of those right now. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 31, 2019 2:52:56 GMT -5
Why are we making such a big deal out of this one way or the other? Obviously the team has to be a lot better if they want to be successful THIS season. On the other hand, quite a few D1's lose these kind of preseason games from year to year. In the end, doesn't amount to much.
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Post by Tom on Oct 31, 2019 9:31:42 GMT -5
Nichols wouldve beat us last year. I coule totally see Assumption making a quick rise to the top of the NE 10 under this guy Stop the nonsense. This is a D-3 team and presumably none of the players, not one, got a D-1 scholarship offer. This is not Williams, an extremely prestigious school academically--there's nobody turning down a D-1 or even D-2 offer to go to Nichols. The team had 6 players under 6-0 and 4 that were 6-0 or 6-1. HC would have destroyed Nichols last season--JF would have gone for 25 points and a half dozen blocks on his own. I will throw out there that Williams was the reigning national champion. Nichols might have beaten us last year. In my opinion, if we played Nichols 10 times last year, HC would have won 9, Same could be said for Williams in 2004. On any given day. . . |
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Post by DiMarz on Oct 31, 2019 9:51:05 GMT -5
A lot of screens on the ball, mostly at the elbow and elbow extended..drives came from the wings across the lane, and some on dribble penetration off the screen turning down the lane..Lowder was very good at this, he would pull up and hit the 10' floater....Off the penetration, they looked to kick it to the open wing when help dropped down.....Nothing fancy, just solid offense...looked good for the most part and players looked comfortable running it! Thanks were there any/many post ups ? Yes, they looked the ball inside on most possessions.. Conner, Blake, Faw, Joe P. Austin all posted up at some point..There wasn't a "post player" as we have seen in the past, The 5's were the primary players, but match-ups decided who went to the block.. |
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Post by hchoops on Oct 31, 2019 9:54:06 GMT -5
thanks again
looking forward to seeing the new offense
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 31, 2019 10:11:42 GMT -5
Not to belabor the point, well, actually yes, as after all this is Crossports - it's what we do.
I agree with Tom but would put the odds that HC would beat Nichols 19 out of 20 times instead of 9 out of 10. For those who think it would have been impossible to lose to Nichols, you likely never watched any of their games. While Nichols was not the Williams team of 2004 (taking Tom as accurate), last year's Crusader team was not a Ralph Willard-led team either. Yeah Jehyve would have done well, Nichols was not only quick but great outside shooting. They played like the fast break Celtics with Cousy. Believe one of their guards broke the record for consecutive 3s made if not in the NCAA in total, for D3. In the high teens as I recall.
And, if memory serves, Williams beat HC on 3 pointers. Jehyve didn't block many outside the arc shots last year.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Oct 31, 2019 10:17:39 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 31, 2019 10:21:25 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Oct 31, 2019 10:22:55 GMT -5
Nichols rank was #14 in D3
lost in the elite 8
I did not see them, but find it hard to believe they could have beaten us last season.
We did have some good OOC wins.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 31, 2019 10:34:31 GMT -5
No one is asking you to believe it. It is just an opinion. Tom would have given Nichols a 10% chance. Me, 5%. Maybe it would be 1% but I watched them, the chances were not 0%.
WG, love that site. Reminds me of my father, a very decent chess player in his day. He would play chess on the train everyday on the LIRR commute home against a chess "master," Walter Shippman (believe that was the spelling). He played Walter hundreds of games over the years and won, maybe 10 times. The first time he won, Walter told my Dad (a Brooklyn Prep/HC grad, hoops) "you could be world champion." My Dad said "what are you talking about?" Walter told him how he had beaten Bobby Fischer in a tournament when Bobby was very young (I don't recall now if Bobby was 15 or 10 or whatever). and well before he became the chess legend he was to come.
Anywho, my Dad loved chess and forced us to play him and I had about as much luck against him as he had against Shippman. So, when I first beat him, he pulled the "you could be world chess champ" on me. No, I didn't buy it. But I did go on to play first board on my high school chess team. I wasn't that good but better than anyone else in the school and as good or better than our Lebanese French teach faculty coach.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 31, 2019 10:50:42 GMT -5
You probably would not have made the Brooklyn Prep team
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 31, 2019 10:59:35 GMT -5
😛 probably not. Nothing but geniuses went there.
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Post by Tom on Oct 31, 2019 11:21:39 GMT -5
No one is asking you to believe it. It is just an opinion. Tom would have given Nichols a 10% chance. Me, 5%. Maybe it would be 1% but I watched them, the chances were not 0%. For clarification when I said if they played 10 times HC would win 9, I was not throwing out an exact Massey percentage. If any lower division team plays a great game the same day the higher division team . throws a stinker, there can be an upset. 9 out of 10 is a nice round number. So is 99 out of 100 or 999 out of 1000. Point remains the same. A D-I school will almost always beat a D-III school |
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 31, 2019 11:52:20 GMT -5
...and that site is interesting, but be sure to switch the teams. Look how many games are needed to get each team a "win" in match-ups. For example, Nichols got one after 10 match-up games. Rveerswed, Virginia gets one after only 4 match-ups. The better team gets that win by comparison scores much more quickly.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 31, 2019 13:46:58 GMT -5
Nichols rank was #14 in D3 lost in the elite 8 I did not see them, but find it hard to believe they could have beaten us last season. We did have some good OOC wins. They absolutely COULD have beaten us last season. Just like we COULD have beaten Providence last year. My initial post that triggered this debate was a little bit facetious (we obviously would've been favorites) but a loss certainly would've been possible. In fact we lost to several squads last year that would not at all have been locks to make the DIII Final Four. HC has lost twice to Division III opponents this century. Williams in 2003, who finished as the NCAA champ, and Rhose Island College in 2007 who if I recall was ranked somewhere in the ballpark of #20 in D3. Nichols finished in the Top 15, so they probably would have posed a significant threat to our team which lacked depth and the ability to rebound effectively. |
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 31, 2019 13:52:09 GMT -5
Hey, how 'bout these 2019-2020 Holy Cross Crusaders!!!
GO CROSS GO!!!!
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Post by Tom on Oct 31, 2019 14:36:56 GMT -5
HC has lost twice to Division III opponents this century. Williams in 2003, who finished as the NCAA champ, and Rhose Island College in 2007 who if I recall was ranked somewhere in the ballpark of #20 in D3. Nichols finished in the Top 15, so they probably would have posed a significant threat to our team which lacked depth and the ability to rebound effectively. Was RI a real game? Williams is listed on the school's website under all time results. RI isn't |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 31, 2019 14:45:13 GMT -5
HC has lost twice to Division III opponents this century. Williams in 2003, who finished as the NCAA champ, and Rhose Island College in 2007 who if I recall was ranked somewhere in the ballpark of #20 in D3. Nichols finished in the Top 15, so they probably would have posed a significant threat to our team which lacked depth and the ability to rebound effectively. Was RI a real game? Williams is listed on the school's website under all time results. RI isn't It was our first of two exhibition games played in November 2007. You could probably find the archive under news postings if the site still goes back that far. |
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Post by Tom on Oct 31, 2019 14:55:57 GMT -5
So not a real game. Ideally you should still be winning these things, but I've been to plenty of exhibitions where freshmen get a good run and then never get off the bench once the season starts. Kind of like losing a Spring Training game
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 31, 2019 14:59:25 GMT -5
So not a real game. Ideally you should still be winning these things, but I've been to plenty of exhibitions where freshmen get a good run and then never get off the bench once the season starts. Kind of like losing a Spring Training game Not at all like a spring training game. Like not whatsoever. It was a game where Willards guys played hard start to finish (Im sure RIC wasn't trying to lose either). Our normal rotation played that game for most part. Its not like we trotted Victor Vaval, Zach Paterick and Josh Jones our there for 20+ minutes a piece. EDIT: apologies Tom I read your post too quickly. You are right many of these games freshmen do see a ton of minutes only to ride pine for a year or more. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 31, 2019 15:01:11 GMT -5
So not a real game. Ideally you should still be winning these things, but I've been to plenty of exhibitions where freshmen get a good run and then never get off the bench once the season starts. Kind of like losing a Spring Training game There are several examples of sub D1 schools beating Power 5 teams in exhibitions. Not something to really read into, IMO. One team's Super Bowl and another team's tune up for the season. Grand Valley State beat Michigan State ten or so years ago. Le Moyne beat Syracuse. |
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