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Post by possum on Nov 21, 2021 19:08:31 GMT -5
Has there ever been more hope riding on the return of one player. RJ, Crusader Nation turns its losing eyes to you.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 21, 2021 19:35:59 GMT -5
Pomeroy currently predicts an 8-23 (5-13) record for HC. Two of those wins coming against non D1 programs. Who would have been happy w/8-23 last year if it was a normal schedule? I'd have said 12 or 13 wins versus the 3 from the year before. Shows you what deep sh*t this program is in.
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Post by hceconhist on Nov 21, 2021 19:41:31 GMT -5
^Yup. I put much more stock in PL play. If we only get 5 PL wins this year, I would argue that is a step back from last year.
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Post by rose22 on Nov 21, 2021 20:38:27 GMT -5
The problem is that we can't recruit top talent as the league is holding us back. Give the coach at least two more years to see if he can fix this. How is Colgate doing it with their rinky-dink gym and playing in the Patriot League? When was the last time Colgate started a true freshman? Aren’t all the their guys prep school guys…
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Post by HC92 on Nov 21, 2021 20:40:34 GMT -5
Has there ever been more hope riding on the return of one player. RJ, Crusader Nation turns its losing eyes to you. I love RJ and he will definitely make a difference for us. Enough of a difference to turn this ship around quickly? Not so sure.
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Post by rose22 on Nov 21, 2021 20:56:31 GMT -5
Has there ever been more hope riding on the return of one player. RJ, Crusader Nation turns its losing eyes to you. I love RJ and he will definitely make a difference for us. Enough of a difference to turn this ship around quickly? Not so sure. We are a true point guard away from bringing some balance to the force. This experience for Kyrell has been great as he’s learning how to run a team and should help in the long run. But RJJ back at the point, Gates back to normal will be huge as well and then Judson can space the floor and all of a sudden the offense will look better. RJ and Luc out there together will be tough for teams to match up with as well. Most of these guys have never played a non conference schedule before and all of them have never played a full patriot league schedule. I’m confident it will get better.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 21, 2021 21:03:33 GMT -5
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Post by rose22 on Nov 21, 2021 21:40:23 GMT -5
No he isn’t ovah his head. The players need to play better. I didn’t see any coaches out there allowing back door cuts or throwing the ball away…only thing I will say about BN is the offense can use some creativity but without RJJ and Gates it’s obviously not been fluid. Let’s see what happens when those two get back out there with there conditioning where it needs to be. It may take them a game or two to get there rhythm…
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Post by crusader1970 on Nov 21, 2021 22:46:10 GMT -5
I love RJ and he will definitely make a difference for us. Enough of a difference to turn this ship around quickly? Not so sure. I’m confident it will get better. I am praying you are correct. Confident? No. Praying for divine intervention. I think it may take that.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 21, 2021 22:48:49 GMT -5
I’m confident it will get better. I am praying you are correct. Confident? No. Praying for divine intervention. I think it may take that. I hope we are not going to need to ask Saint Jude to intervene for us.......
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 21, 2021 23:02:58 GMT -5
If that's what it takes and maybe lighting a few candles, I'm all in.
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Post by Tom on Nov 22, 2021 9:28:56 GMT -5
As of this weekend, Gates is back, although based on his minutes and not starting, probably not 100 percent yet. Prior to that HC was without last year's top 4 in scoring, rebounding, and assists. It will take a little time to gel.
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Post by hc80 on Nov 22, 2021 21:33:02 GMT -5
Gel? Might need an actual offensive and defensive philosophy.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 22, 2021 22:19:44 GMT -5
We are at the point right now where everyone should be absolutely delighted with any Division I win, home or away.
The cupboard is bare and Nelson has been dealt a difficult hand. Hope to see some improvement leading up to and during Patriot League play.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 22, 2021 22:33:36 GMT -5
What's this "cupboard is bare" nonsense? He's got virtually all his own guys. Allegedly all more athletic and more talented than Carmody's leftovers.
His is cupboard is full. Yes, he's had injuries on the team but 1. We don't know what they are and 2. Every coach has players who are injured. You coach through that.
Woe is him. He's got the whole rest of the season to show us doubters that he's up to the job. I for one am not calling for his head mid-season.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 22, 2021 22:51:15 GMT -5
Wut? The cupboard is completely filled with non-perishables Nelson chose himself. So it's bare as you assert- it's no one's fault but his own.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 22, 2021 22:53:32 GMT -5
We are at the point right now where everyone should be absolutely delighted with any Division I win, home or away. The cupboard is bare and Nelson has been dealt a difficult hand. Hope to see some improvement leading up to and during Patriot League play. BN just restocked the cupboard with an abruptness rarely seen in the PL. He has his groceries. Now he has to cook the meal.
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Post by crosspride on Nov 22, 2021 23:03:14 GMT -5
His “full cupboard” are frosh or sophomores who played a half season last year or soph who barely played last year. After 10 years of terrible basketball did you all want Nelson to bring in McDonalds All Americans? Why would they commit to Holy Cross when we fire our coaches after 4/5 years?
Do I think Nelson is the guy? Likely no. But fire him after this year and we are GUARANTEED to be having this same conversation 3 years from now. Just like we did with Brown. Just like we did with Carmody. As infuriating as it is watching games these days, he needs to be given this year and 2 more and if he isn’t challenging for PLT when this years sophs are seniors, he’s gone.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 23, 2021 0:49:45 GMT -5
His “full cupboard” are frosh or sophomores who played a half season last year or soph who barely played last year. After 10 years of terrible basketball did you all want Nelson to bring in McDonalds All Americans? Why would they commit to Holy Cross when we fire our coaches after 4/5 years? Do I think Nelson is the guy? Likely no. But fire him after this year and we are GUARANTEED to be having this same conversation 3 years from now. Just like we did with Brown. Just like we did with Carmody. As infuriating as it is watching games these days, he needs to be given this year and 2 more and if he isn’t challenging for PLT when this years sophs are seniors, he’s gone. So no interim benchmarks for you---we'll check him at the end of 23-24 regardless of how we play between now and then?
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 23, 2021 5:44:39 GMT -5
We are at the point right now where everyone should be absolutely delighted with any Division I win, home or away. The cupboard is bare and Nelson has been dealt a difficult hand. Hope to see some improvement leading up to and during Patriot League play. Perhaps you misspoke. The cupboard "was" bare but that should no longer be the case. If with his own recruits it "is" bare, then that is on him.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 23, 2021 6:53:24 GMT -5
Now that the stench of the weekend's games are further behind us, I've been thinking that I should be careful to make sure I'm separating coaching frustration from player performance frustration. I need to be more patient with the players.
I look at it this way: let's say the average decent player gets 15 minutes a game as a freshman. With a 30 game schedule, that's 450 minutes of experience after year 1.
Right now, 5 games into this season, how many of our players have this much experience under their belts? Not having time to look, I'll guess:
Gates - yes Townsel - no Martindale - doubtful, maybe RJJ - doubtful, maybe Bubba - no Bo - no Louth - no Rabs - no Luc - no Kenney - no Lewis - no Dorsey - no
And most of these "no's" are not even close to the example benchmark.
Just how much can we really expect, as frustrating as it is. We've mentioned RW a bit as we've discussed the coaching angle, but even he used to say at this level he recruited kids for what they would become as juniors. Hopefully the opportunity for a lot of playing time will help accelerate the development of several of the players. That's what I am grasping to at the moment.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 23, 2021 7:41:04 GMT -5
Except for lack of consistent outside shooting, I think we’ve got plenty of good pieces with which we can work. Just not sure what kind of puzzle we’re trying to put together with those pieces. Seems like we’re still flipping them all over so they are face up. Need to starting putting them together soon. Hopefully that will start with the returns of RJ and Rabs and a return to full health of Gates.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 23, 2021 8:01:19 GMT -5
While watching another game last night I noticed the offense the team was running- I thought I was watching our weave, no off the ball movement, bad passing angles, and an occasional look to isolate in the low post. The difference was this team avoided the unforced turnovers, looked for mismatches and made adjustments - on a couple of possessions they brought the PG into the the low post for an easy bucket or a kick out for an open look at a three, and they had a decent shooting night from the perimeter.
Perhaps this will get better with game experience and player recognition as they adjust to the speed and quickness of the college game. I can accept that, and willing to give it time, but I believe we need to see some progress over a 2-3 game stretch and so far that hasn’t happened. Is that coaching, player experience or both?
Time will tell but fingers crossed
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Post by trimster on Nov 23, 2021 8:12:52 GMT -5
While watching another game last night I noticed the offense the team was running- I thought I was watching our weave, no off the ball movement, bad passing angles, and an occasional look to isolate in the low post. The difference was this team avoided the unforced turnovers, looked for mismatches and made adjustments - on a couple of possessions they brought the PG into the the low post for an easy bucket or a kick out for an open look at a three, and they had a decent shooting night from the perimeter. Perhaps this will get better with game experience and player recognition as they adjust to the speed and quickness of the college game. I can accept that, and willing to give it time, but I believe we need to see some progress over a 2-3 game stretch and so far that hasn’t happened. Is that coaching, player experience or both? Time will tell but fingers crossed Seems like many teams run the weave out top. Not sure what it accomplishes. I say the the same thing about our full court man to man defense and our rush the ball up court offense. Maybe I am missing something.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 23, 2021 8:18:14 GMT -5
We are at the point right now where everyone should be absolutely delighted with any Division I win, home or away. The cupboard is bare and Nelson has been dealt a difficult hand. Hope to see some improvement leading up to and during Patriot League play. Perhaps you misspoke. The cupboard "was" bare but that should no longer be the case. If with his own recruits it "is" bare, then that is on him. I did mis-speak (long day). You nailed exactly what I meant to say. Part of your job as head coach is to a) recruit and b) create an environment where your current student athletes aren't constantly wanting to jump ship. Im willing to hold off on judging Nelson until we see what his guys can do this year when healthy. And how much do we improve?
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