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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 21, 2021 7:44:46 GMT -5
Does crossports need me to go watch. Chris Bartley practice to see if he’s a good fit, like I did with Chrsney? 😁 Could you make a stop at Endicott, too?
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Post by bigfan on Nov 21, 2021 7:48:56 GMT -5
The problem is that we can't recruit top talent as the league is holding us back. Give the coach at least two more years to see if he can fix this.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 21, 2021 7:53:05 GMT -5
The problem is that we can't recruit top talent as the league is holding us back. Give the coach at least two more years to see if he can fix this. How is Colgate doing it with their rinky-dink gym and playing in the Patriot League?
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Post by HC92 on Nov 21, 2021 8:19:07 GMT -5
The problem is that we can't recruit top talent as the league is holding us back. Give the coach at least two more years to see if he can fix this. We are well beyond being able to blame the league for our problems. Poor coaching hires and other self-inflicted wounds have been the problem. Colgate beat Syracuse by 15 last night. Lehigh beat Duke. Bucknell beat Kansas. It ain’t the league. It’s us.
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Post by trimster on Nov 21, 2021 8:33:04 GMT -5
The problem is that we can't recruit top talent as the league is holding us back. Give the coach at least two more years to see if he can fix this. We are well beyond being able to blame the league for our problems. Poor coaching hires and other self-inflicted wounds have been the problem. Colgate beat Syracuse by 15 last night. Lehigh beat Duke. Bucknell beat Kansas. It ain’t the league. It’s us. Sadly, it has been largely self-inflicted for the better part of 40+ years.
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Post by dadominate on Nov 21, 2021 9:03:43 GMT -5
I don't know...trying to be positive, I would at least like to see a few games with the whole roster available, especially RJJ (who I feel may be their most valuable guy). But it's extremely frustrating right now. How bout this though: say the season does not get much better, but down the stretch they pull a Tom Gilmore/Lehigh thing, win their last few games and then win at least one in the PLT. Change anyone's mind (those convinced now he's not the right guy)? it may be a combination of steadily lowering expectations and my general optimism, but i would be satisfied with that situation, nad. nelson clearly was not ready to be a successful head coach out of the gate and did not endear himself with some of his early behavior with the players he inherited, as the roster was managed very poorly. but all of that is in the past if he can start winning meaningful basketball games. i was initially excited by the nelson hire, but we have no identity so far (other than meaningless slogans) and we generally let our opponents dictate their will upon us. our recruiting has not established itself as meaningfully different than our previous coaches by any objective metric. our defense is consistently the worst i have ever seen across six different coaches at hc. i remain hopeful for nelson but performances like yesterday in which we were outcoached and outclassed in every way dampen optimism. bryant will be a good measure of how we bounce back from an ass kicking, which is another measure of leadership.
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Post by crusader99 on Nov 21, 2021 9:21:39 GMT -5
As Football demonstrated, good coaching and winning go hand in hand. Same as the hoops at Colgate and Navy. Let’s see what the next few years brings. Nothing wrong with learning on the job as long as there is measurable progress. Five years should be the baseline. W/L record, graduation rates, player retention (too many transfers out or kids leaving the program), alumni player participation (both dollars raised and # participating), community service hours etc… are all objective criteria to measure progress and success. Good luck coach, pulling for you from NJ.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 21, 2021 9:38:22 GMT -5
As Football demonstrated, good coaching and winning go hand in hand. Same as the hoops at Colgate and Navy. Let’s see what the next few years brings. Nothing wrong with learning on the job as long as there is measurable progress. Five years should be the baseline. W/L record, graduation rates, player retention (too many transfers out or kids leaving the program), alumni player participation (both dollars raised and # participating), community service hours etc… are all objective criteria to measure progress and success. Good luck coach, pulling for you from NJ. This is #3, I'll say that's a little on the short side, but the "measurable progress" is worrying me big time.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 21, 2021 9:50:24 GMT -5
As much as I am concerned by the lack of progress and development, and that Evans might be a positive upgrade, changing now is a greater problem for us as it raises too many other issues about the job and the program.
Once we have RJJ back on the floor and settle on the 8-9 man rotation we can see where things go in 22 and conference play. We need to wait for improvement, but remain mindful that inconsistent play might be the norm. At the end of the season the conversation might be different, but that will depend on the President, the Board and the new AD
I am going to try and avoid posting for 24 hours after anything less than a positive outcome or announcement
Hopefully a positive day for hoops against Bryant, football playoff placement, and Kaliff get have more targets and receptions.
Great day to all
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Post by Crosser on Nov 21, 2021 11:48:44 GMT -5
Add me to the list of those who believe an in-season coaching change could be disastrous. I will remain patient and try to get back on the hopefulness track. Sometimes teams just seemingly come suddenly together.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 21, 2021 12:01:28 GMT -5
Add me to the list of those who believe an in-season coaching change could be disastrous. I will remain patient and try to get back on the hopefulness track. Sometimes teams just seemingly come suddenly together. The coaching change in WBB to an interim head coach during the tenure of an interim AD was awkward. No need to repeat that.
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Post by mm67 on Nov 21, 2021 13:17:15 GMT -5
Assistants are often better suited to be assistants and not head coaches. Don't know much about RJ Evans' coaching experience. Why would he be a good choice? Why the push for him? Has he had head coaching experience? Was he successful? Certainly his experience as a college player is not sufficient and clearly he did not compete on the level of BN. I would think that someone with successful head coaching experience at any college level would be a better choice. IMO, choose a young veteran head coach. But, let the season play out.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 21, 2021 13:43:16 GMT -5
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Post by mm67 on Nov 21, 2021 14:45:51 GMT -5
All right, all right I get your point.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 21, 2021 14:49:21 GMT -5
I'm busy patting myself on the back on my prior post because if I can get you and BBC to "like" it, I must have succeeded in "Irish diplomacy."* *= "Irish Diplomacy is the ability to tell a man to go to hell and have him looking forward to making the trip". (one of my few expressions that hcfc45 seems to like!)
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Post by timholycross on Nov 21, 2021 15:20:02 GMT -5
Only way he's leaving before this year (and probably next) is if there is some incident no one's presently aware of. He will get enough time to show he can or cannot be a competent head coach.
Someone pointed out that they did not place lack of hustle in the problem category. I can't say in the games I've watched I saw that either.
Did he only play 8 guys tonight? No Dorsey, no Lewis.
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Post by Xmassader on Nov 21, 2021 16:03:44 GMT -5
No Dorsey at all. Lewis in the last minute.
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Post by mm67 on Nov 21, 2021 16:26:21 GMT -5
Certainly, the team is not inconsistent. They are consistently bad.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 21, 2021 16:39:07 GMT -5
As I mentioned in the AF thread, Dorsey again had shorts on.....but not game shorts. He must not have been available. Course we'll never find out, or what is wrong with Rabs.
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Post by lou on Nov 21, 2021 16:55:15 GMT -5
Dorsey seemed to be standing at the end of the bench, and never sitting
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 21, 2021 17:16:50 GMT -5
Assistants are often better suited to be assistants and not head coaches. Don't know much about RJ Evans' coaching experience. Why would he be a good choice? Why the push for him? Has he had head coaching experience? Was he successful? Certainly his experience as a college player is not sufficient and clearly he did not compete on the level of BN. I would think that someone with successful head coaching experience at any college level would be a better choice. IMO, choose a young veteran head coach. But, let the season play out. We can shop for the young veteran head coach in the Short and Tall Men's Dept.😊 Now that we've gone that route with our one successful sport, try it in the losing sports. In a winning program, consider a key assistant if a coaching vacancy occurs, the Duffner model. Finding hidden value in an assistant from a consistent losing program is a hard sell. The value could be there but you have no easy way to demonstrate that.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 21, 2021 17:32:15 GMT -5
Pomeroy currently predicts an 8-23 (5-13) record for HC. Two of those wins coming against non D1 programs.
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Post by sader81 on Nov 21, 2021 17:33:32 GMT -5
As I mentioned in the AF thread, Dorsey again had shorts on.....but not game shorts. He must not have been available. Course we'll never find out, or what is wrong with Rabs. Dorsey was not in the layup line before the game. RJ, however was and looked ok to me. Word was he’ll be back soon. Rabs apparently sprained an ankle.
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Post by trimster on Nov 21, 2021 18:41:33 GMT -5
Pomeroy currently predicts an 8-23 (5-13) record for HC. Two of those wins coming against non D1 programs. It's better than 3-29. I am beginning to think I may have masochistic tendencies.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 21, 2021 18:52:20 GMT -5
As I mentioned in the AF thread, Dorsey again had shorts on.....but not game shorts. He must not have been available. Course we'll never find out, or what is wrong with Rabs. Dorsey was not in the layup line before the game. RJ, however was and looked ok to me. Word was he’ll be back soon. Rabs apparently sprained an ankle. Thanks '81
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